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post #29431 of 31995
8/6/10 at 9:03pm
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Originally Posted by petetherock View Post

I agree that it is a long debate about LPCM vs bitstream, but unless you have done your own test, it is an OPINION, not science. To dismiss those who found a difference is similar to those who disagree that the earth was round. None of those disbelievers did any test and their opinion was regards as Science.

But in reality, if the movie is nice, I could be enjoying it in 2 channel stereo or mono and still have a blast, and not worry about sound quality.

Cheers

I don't really want to get into this as I don't have much to offer on the topic that hasn't already been said, but I wanted to point this out....

In the post where you talk about your test ( http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=86011 ) you say:

"just to add perspective, someone has tried the lossy vs lossless and found no difference"

You then link to this article comparing various Dolby and DTS lossy and lossless tracks against PCM:
http://www.hemagazine.com/node/Dolby...compressed_PCM

For those who didn't take the time to read the entire thing, the article states:

Concerning the DD track
"The shocker came when we compared the lower 448 kbps Dolby Digital DVD bitrate to the original [PCM]. There was an audible difference."

And on the topic of the DTS core track:
"It was déjÃ* vu all over again. We switched back and forth between the original PCM master and the core DTS version, and here we found only the slightest, barely noticeable difference."

Yes, they do go on to say they are subtle differences in both cases (a testament to both codecs!) but a difference is a difference none the less.

To say that "someone has tried the lossy vs lossless and found no difference" just isn't accurate.
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post #29432 of 31995
8/6/10 at 11:06pm
Here's an old article (in PDF format) by Tom Nousaine to put this recent debate into perspective (or it might start yet another debate, which will be just as fun/annoying):

"Can You Trust Your Ears?", Stereo Review, August 1997.
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post #29433 of 31995
8/7/10 at 7:14am
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Originally Posted by Jnipz View Post

I turned the volume level on the PS3 to +4 and the sound is amazing!

Thanks everyone for all of your help. I can start to fully enjoy my BD's and music!

Glad you are happy, but I missed it. I meant to say the sound is higher when bitstreamed and that LPCM was lower in voulume level. The volume can just be raised thoe to compensate within the PS3. Evidently you got my meaning anyway as you are happy so all is well in HD land.
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post #29434 of 31995
8/7/10 at 7:22am
there IS another thread dedicated to this issue...
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post #29435 of 31995
8/7/10 at 9:45pm
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Originally Posted by rdclark View Post

Somebody asked about the PS3 decoding question, and I answered.

Somebody else claimed to have done a "shootout" that found a difference, and that the test was "level-matched" and "blinded." These are terms that have specific meanings within the AV engineering community.

It was hard not to ask for more detail, given that such an event, and such a result, would be very newsworthy.

The answers would certainly be of interest specifically to PS3 owners, because the claim was specifically made about the PS3, not just LPCM vs bitstreaming in general.

Alas, my excitement at having this long-standing controversy finally put to rest proved... premature.

This seems to go on forever.
I still want to know how those folks did a "blind" test and were able to read the SPL meter at the same time
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post #29436 of 31995
8/9/10 at 4:11am
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Originally Posted by rdclark View Post


Decoding lossless tracks is an all-or-nothing proposition, much like unzipping a compressed text file. There are no quality differences between lossless audio decoders.

What happens after the audio is decoded can vary. When the PS3 decodes, it sends the sound to the AVR as multichannel LPCM -- uncompressed, unencoded lossless audio. It often happens that a receiver (because of its settings, because of its design, or for other reasons) handles LPCM differently than the way it handles the output of its own decoders, resulting in an apparent difference in sound quality.

By far the most common example of this is simply that the overall audio level is different, correctable by just turning the volume control up or down. But among many newcomers to high-fidelity audio, there is a miscomprehension that volume is an indicator of actual sound quality, and this is the source of the myth that the PS3's LPCM output is somehow compromised. It's not.

It is important for users to understand how their equipment works. If an AVR needs specific settings adjusted in order to optimize incoming LPCM, this should be done before making any assessments of quality. Fortunately, this is less commonly an issue with newer equipment, aside from the need to match the audio level before comparing the quality of any two sources.

Just wanted to say that this is such a fantastic, concise, answer to the lossless/HD audio question that it warrants its own sticky.
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post #29437 of 31995
8/10/10 at 5:26pm
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Originally Posted by johnu View Post

I didn't say that PS3 buyers with HDTV's wouldn't buy or rent Blu-ray movies. In fact, I agree that a PS3 owner who also has an HDTV is very probably going to buy or rent at least 1 Blu-ray movie. I question the result that 80+% of PS3 owners would buy Blu-ray movies when a very large percentage of them don't have HDTV's. It could be that gamers have a higher percentage ownership of HDTV's (but I haven't seen any statistics one way or another) and there is nothing to extrapolate from that poll either way.

I have actually known a lot of people who choose a PS3 over an Xbox specifically for the blu-ray capability.
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post #29438 of 31995
8/10/10 at 8:31pm
like me.
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post #29439 of 31995
8/10/10 at 10:07pm
I just ran into an issue. I tried to play the Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds BD and at first it said it couldn't play it, then i ejected and re-inserted and it played but the sound was horrible on all modes. I then put in another BD and it played fine no video or audio issues. I put the Dave and Tim BD back in and the icon for a disc did not show up under video. I tried to eject and it would not eject. I had to hold the eject for 10 seconds or more to get the disc out. I powered down the system and brought it back up to try the disc again, same thing. After the 10 sec eject, I tried the disc in another BD drive on my pc, it played fine no issues. I have the latest FW on the PS3. What could the issue be? Can I reflash the FW or roll it back? My model is CECHA01 (Original 60GB manufactured in Dec 2006)


Ok, this is very strange, I tried the disc one more time. It showed up in the video tab, played fine sound was good/normal, and it ejected fine. Is there an issue with the latest FW that causes random bugs? I'm at a loss here and need some explaination that makes sense.
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post #29440 of 31995
8/11/10 at 3:53am
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Originally Posted by aforker View Post

I have actually known a lot of people who choose a PS3 over an Xbox specifically for the blu-ray capability.

I realize you're new here (welcome!), but please try not to respond to posts that are over 4-1/2 years old. The marketplace was very different then than it is today.
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post #29441 of 31995
8/11/10 at 8:20am
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Originally Posted by Jnipz View Post

I just ran into an issue. I tried to play the Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds BD and at first it said it couldn't play it, then i ejected and re-inserted and it played but the sound was horrible on all modes. I then put in another BD and it played fine no video or audio issues. I put the Dave and Tim BD back in and the icon for a disc did not show up under video. I tried to eject and it would not eject. I had to hold the eject for 10 seconds or more to get the disc out. I powered down the system and brought it back up to try the disc again, same thing. After the 10 sec eject, I tried the disc in another BD drive on my pc, it played fine no issues. I have the latest FW on the PS3. What could the issue be? Can I reflash the FW or roll it back? My model is CECHA01 (Original 60GB manufactured in Dec 2006)


Ok, this is very strange, I tried the disc one more time. It showed up in the video tab, played fine sound was good/normal, and it ejected fine. Is there an issue with the latest FW that causes random bugs? I'm at a loss here and need some explaination that makes sense.

Anyone have a clue?
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post #29442 of 31995
8/11/10 at 8:28am
Do you have access to another copy of the same disc?
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post #29443 of 31995
8/11/10 at 8:31am
^^
I do not....It plays fine on another BD player 10 out of 10 tries.
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post #29444 of 31995
8/11/10 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by Pugnax555 View Post

I realize you're new here (welcome!), but please try not to respond to posts that are over 4-1/2 years old. The marketplace was very different then than it is today.

I was wondering why johnu's post seemed to make no sense at all.
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post #29445 of 31995
8/11/10 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by okwhatev View Post

Just wanted to say that this is such a fantastic, concise, answer to the lossless/HD audio question that it warrants its own sticky.


Thanks. Practice makes perfect.
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post #29446 of 31995
8/11/10 at 10:56am
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Originally Posted by Jnipz View Post

Anyone have a clue?

I guess I'm the only one experiencing this sort of issue...kind of hard to believe...
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post #29447 of 31995
8/11/10 at 11:02am
Could be your laser is dirty or going out and that particular disk is marginal. I have issues once and awhile with the Blu-rays I get from Netflix (PS3 is old 60 gb model like you), but I either find a crack in the edge (not recently) or find fingerprints which when removed fix the problem. You didn't say whether you cleaned the disk which is the first thing to try.
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post #29448 of 31995
8/11/10 at 11:23am
^^
That's the first thing I checked to see if there were fingerprints, which there were none. I'm super carefull with all of my discs.
This disc I purchased new.
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post #29449 of 31995
8/11/10 at 12:12pm
I guess the next thing you might try is to send it back for a replacement. I remember when I got the Gone in 60 Seconds DVD - it was blank lol. Though of course since yours plays in another player that couldn't be it. But there may be some manufacturing flaw that the drive in your PS3 is more sensitive to.
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post #29450 of 31995
8/13/10 at 8:48pm
Hey guys,

I'm not sure how much help I can get from this sticky, but I'm hoping for the best. I'm connecting my PS3 via a component cable that i bought from Monoprice. When I run it through my AVR, the picture has a red tint. The AVR is a Pioneer Elite 91TXH if that matters. When I run the component cables straight to the projector, the picture looks fine. Has anyone had an issue with a red tint from the component cables? I've messed with all the receiver settings I can find and it doesn't adjust. Also, i've switched component ports on the receiver and the same thing happens (so it's not a bad receiver input). Any help?
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post #29451 of 31995
8/13/10 at 10:23pm
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Originally Posted by Crestron_Junkie View Post

Hey guys,

I'm not sure how much help I can get from this sticky, but I'm hoping for the best. I'm connecting my PS3 via a component cable that i bought from Monoprice. When I run it through my AVR, the picture has a red tint. The AVR is a Pioneer Elite 91TXH if that matters. When I run the component cables straight to the projector, the picture looks fine. Has anyone had an issue with a red tint from the component cables? I've messed with all the receiver settings I can find and it doesn't adjust. Also, i've switched component ports on the receiver and the same thing happens (so it's not a bad receiver input). Any help?

Doesn't the 91TXH have HDMi? Why not use that instead?
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post #29452 of 31995
8/14/10 at 4:00am
it sounds like a bad connection at the source. If one of the componenet video cables isnt connected properly, you get those, reg/blue hues to the picture...
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post #29453 of 31995
8/14/10 at 9:36am
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Originally Posted by tomrowe125 View Post

Doesn't the 91TXH have HDMi? Why not use that instead?

I'm using Component for my display, and HDMI obviously doesn't down convert to RGB in that situation. If I could use HDMI that would make my life a whole lot easier.
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post #29454 of 31995
8/14/10 at 9:37am
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Originally Posted by caper_1 View Post

it sounds like a bad connection at the source. If one of the componenet video cables isnt connected properly, you get those, reg/blue hues to the picture...

I'll check again but all the connections were pretty solid. Could it be on the PS3 connection end also? That connector felt a little rough going into the slot...
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post #29455 of 31995
8/14/10 at 10:02am
yeah, to find out for sure, get another PS3 and cable from a friend to eliminate the AVR...
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post #29456 of 31995
8/14/10 at 5:07pm
Hey guys,

I have the 40gb PS3 and I was thinking about trading it at Gamestop for $200 and adding $100 to get the Slim. Would you guys suggest this? I know I can bitstream HD codecs with it but I doubt that it would make a difference (I know this topic has been beaten to death) specially since my AVR is lower end (Onkyo HT-S3300). Also my PS3's fan has been uber loud lately and it's been pissing me off, is the slim's fans loud as well? Any suggestions would be very much appreciated, thanks in advance!
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post #29457 of 31995
8/14/10 at 9:43pm
Hi, I have a Yamaha RX-V663 and a PS3 connected to my Panasonic G25. I have everything hooked up the right way and when i turn on my PS3 everything works fine; however, when i play a blu-ray the video wont show up. I can hear the sound of the menu but the video doesn't show up (once and a while it does). Im really confused because the PS3 works fine and i see the PS3 home screen but when i start the Blu-ray i see static then nothing then the image comes on the screen all distorted for a second..I used to have the same set up. the only thing different is the tv is newer. I have the PS3 hooked up to the Receiver then the Receiver hooked up to the tv. I have tried different Blu-rays and the same thing happens. also its the 1st gen PS3 and it does work when i plug it directly into the TV

I really need help, thanks
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post #29458 of 31995
8/15/10 at 9:10am
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Originally Posted by caper_1 View Post

yeah, to find out for sure, get another PS3 and cable from a friend to eliminate the AVR...

I think I found a problem. The cable does not sit snug on the RGB inputs because the connectors are not deep enough. The premium cables I have fit on the inputs very far, but these don't go all the way on. Could this be the issue?
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post #29459 of 31995
8/15/10 at 10:51am
yes
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post #29460 of 31995
8/15/10 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by Praposo91 View Post

Hi, I have a Yamaha RX-V663 and a PS3 connected to my Panasonic G25. I have everything hooked up the right way and when i turn on my PS3 everything works fine; however, when i play a blu-ray the video wont show up. I can hear the sound of the menu but the video doesn't show up (once and a while it does). Im really confused because the PS3 works fine and i see the PS3 home screen but when i start the Blu-ray i see static then nothing then the image comes on the screen all distorted for a second..I used to have the same set up. the only thing different is the tv is newer. I have the PS3 hooked up to the Receiver then the Receiver hooked up to the tv. I have tried different Blu-rays and the same thing happens. also its the 1st gen PS3 and it does work when i plug it directly into the TV

I really need help, thanks

Try different resolution setting on the PS3 to trouble-shoot.
Example of things to try -
1. Turn off "BD 1080p 24Hz Output" and give it a try (under Video Settings)
2. Turn on "BD 1080p 24Hz Output" and give it a try (under Video Settings)
3. UnCheck 1080p (under Display Settings)

Your old TV might have been only 1080i or 720p capable and that is why it worked (the PS3 will only output the video the display is capable of.)

I can tell you that the Rx663 will support 1080p in 60Hz and 24Hz from the PS3. But I have a HDMI swich that will not support 1080p 60Hz from my Laptop or PS3, but the XBOX360 1080p 60Hz output work fine through it (must be a marginal level issue.)

If 1080i works but 1080p doesn't, I would try different HDMI cables. 1080p with 24Hz off will be the most challenging for your HDMI cables (highest bandwidth due to 60Hz Video).
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