One-and-Only PS3 as Blu-Ray Player Thread - Page 1051

so eventhough my receiver displays "HD-MA" i'm not getting it? Weird, so it's lying to me then... lol

Oh well I tried every setting on the Settings > Video and Settings > Display and Settings > Audio that I'm quite frankly tired of all this hassle these manufactures make us go through just to get different equipment to "play nice" with each other.

Has anyone hear used the PS3 with the spears and munsil contrast pattern. I can´t get anything decent out of my PS3 using this disc. This pattern in particular either totally crush the upper row of bars or the lower row.

This is taken straight from the ps3 FAQ thread in the Audio Settings section..

"Unless you have the newer "PS3 Slim" model, the PS3 will not bitstream advanced audio formats to your AVR (i.e., it can only bitstream basic Dolby Digital and DTS surround audio formats). All models of the PS3 can decode all of the Blu-ray Disc standard and optional audio formats and convert them to multichannel LPCM and pass that to your AVR via HDMI. Note however that the optical audio output from the PS3 (or any other Blu-ray Disc player), can never support the new high resolution (i.e., lossless) surround sound audio formats. Thus, to get the full advantage from the superior performance from the high resolution audio formats offered on BD, as compared to DVD, you must connect your PS3 to an AVR that has HDMI inputs. If you are using one of the orginal models of the PS3 (i.e., not the PS3 Slim) then the AVR must accept multichannel LPCM via a HDMI input (most AVRs that have HDMI inputs can do this except for a very few low-end models). If you are using the newer PS3 Slim model then it can be configured to either output the lossless audio in bitstream mode or to perform the decoding and output the lossless audio in LPCM mode via the HDMI output on the PS3. In order to use the bitstream mode on the PS3 Slim your AVR will need to both have an available HDMI input and be able to decode the lossless audio formats, including Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD-Master Audio."

Whether I'm using HDMI or Optical why is it that when I select Bitstream it displays "HD-MA" on the receiver but if I change it to PCM it doesnt? It contradicts what the FAQ thread says unless I'm misinterpeting it...

And under the "PS3 Support for 3D Games and Blu-ray 3D" section it says...

"Blu-ray 3D Support: September 5, 2011 UPDATE:
Sony released firmware version 3.50 in 2010 that enabled Blu-ray 3D playback capability. This allowed the PS3 to be set to output Blu-ray 3D movies that work with the new 3DTVs (i.e., that support Frame Packing 1080p/24 3D format as defined by the HDMI 1.4a and Blu-ray 3D specifications. However, up until firmware version 3.70 was released in August 2011 the PS3, when playing Blu-ray 3D discs and outputting 3D video, was not able to also output any of the lossless audio formats (i.e., only regular Dolby Digital and DTS will be output even if the 3D disc includes Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD-MA audio tracks). The PS3 also could not support the "Blu-ray Disc-Java" enabled features when playing 3D discs. However, firmware version 3.70, added the following capabilities

3D playback of Blu-ray Java™ ("BD-J") content is now supported. You can now enjoy BD-J content recorded on Blu-ray 3D™ discs.
DTS-HD audio output is now supported while playing Blu-ray 3D™ content*. "

So I do NOT need to update to 4.0 to receive the lossless audio formats as someone replied in an earlier post.

There is more than one place to change from Bitstream to PCM. There's the XMB settings and then there's using the 'triangle' pop-up while watching a BD.
Are your audio settings in the XMB set to output bitstream? Check that setting.

Correct however it does not support HD audio from 3DBDs for True-HD audio discs.

I don't know why your AVR says that - I'm pretty sure it is a fact of the design of the cables that you cannot send the lossless audio through anything other than HDMI.

You can bitstream it via HDMI on a PS3 slim and your AVR will decode the lossless, or you can set it to LPCM and the PS3 will decode the lossless formats for you and send it out over HDMI.

JOIN the 21st Century - It is the HDMI protocol and not the Cable.

It was more helpful than your VIOLENTLY WRONG Answer.

A more helpful response would have been to explain what the difference is, but hey - whatever makes you feel more superior to those of us that are still learning.

Yes I'm changing it in the main menu. Didnt know you could change it in the menu from the triangle button

I have a Marantz 7002 (little brother to the 8002, but very similar), the following is normal:

If you feed the Marantz a bit-stream signal, means the Marantz will be doing the decoding >> you will get the fancy decoder indicator lights on the Marantz panel.

If you do the decoding in the upstream device (PCM to the Marantz) - The Marantz decoding indicators become inactive.

Hope that helps out a bit.

Oh ok well I'd rather have the Marantz doing the decoding anyways unless there's really no difference? I guess it would make sense to let my ps3 focus on the video and let my receiver do the work on the audio... Can you tell a difference in sound with yours from HDMI to Optical?

The difference is, if you use HDMI you'll be able to use DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD (uncompressed, lossless tracks). If you use optical you won't. Optical does not have the bandwidth to accommodate those uncompressed tracks.

If you want your receiver to do the decoding, connect with HDMI and set the PS3 to bitstream.

If you connect using optical you will only get standard Dolby Digital and DTS.

This is not speculation. It is fact.

That is ONLY TRUE for the SLIM PS3.

The Fat PS3 is the other way around - decode to LPCM in the PS3.
DO NOT BITSTREAM

So does this mean that you can still get Dolby TrueHD when using a PS3, as long as your receiver supports it?...since the receiver is the one doing the decoding, and not the PS3?

The PS3 can send both DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD on standard Blu-ray discs only.

If you are referring to 3D discs, the answer is no.

As it currently stands the PS3 can only send DTS-HD MA where 3D Blu-rays are concerned. If the 3D movie happens to have a TrueHD track, it will default to standard Dolby Digital. There is speculation that this may be addressed in a future firmware update. After all, there was a time the PS3 couldn't do DTS-HD MA and 3D at the same time and that was fixed with a firmware update. As far as I know, the 3D movies with DTS-HD MA tracks outnumber the 3D discs with TrueHD tracks so the issue is not as big as it seems. Still, it'll be nice if they can fix it.

Now, back to standard (non 3D) discs...

Even if your receiver does not support DTS-HD MA or TrueHD you can still get uncompressed audio IF the receiver has HDMI in. If it does, all you need to do is have the PS3 do the audio decoding internally, by setting it to output PCM (instead of bitstream). That way the PS3 will send the decoded, uncompressed audio to the receiver. The end result will be the same.

NOTE
Though this has been said many times before I'll mention it again. ONLY the slim PS3 can output bitstream audio. If you have the fat (or phat as people like to call it) PS3 you'll have no choice but to have the PS3 do the decoding internally. Again, the end result is the same.

That was kick-ass post man...very easy to understand, and informative. Thanks a ton for answering!! ::thumbsup::

I'm glad you approve. And glad that it helped.

Love to see a reply to this post, sort of having the same issues.

i am suddenly having issues with my PS3 outputting DTS HD Master Audio bitstreamed to my receiver (receiver will only show it as DTS now). All of the codecs are checked in the audio options, and i am not playing 3d discs when it happens (i have a samsung BD player and confirmed that the same discs i am just seeing "DTS" on my receiver via the PS3 are DTS HD from the other player).

anyone have any ideas about what might have happened?

Check to be sure you are utilizing YCbCr with super white "on" and
at video levels. The ps3 has a long time bug with
RGB that clips below black and if you are set for
PC levels (so called "expanded" rather than "video" or
"limited") it will also clip above white info.

Assuming all of that is corrected, then I'd say adjust
the brightness/contrast settings on the display. Overly done
contrast will crush whites while setting the brightness
setting too low will crush black.

Replacing the blu ray laser

I have an 80gb MGS bundle unit. I got the laser replaced a year ago after it progressively failed over the course of a few months. It failed again after about 9 months of use. I spent $70 on a cheap br player rather than sink more money into the ps3 or buy a new slim.

Now im missing the ps3. I prefer the interface for BR and netflix, and i'd like the option to play games.

So, has anyone replaced the blu laser more than once, or does anyone see the value of replacing the laser again over saving up for a slim?

I have a newborn stealing my sleep and could use some clear thought, untainted by sleep deprivation.

Thanks

I own (3) Fat PS3s. Thank GOD - they are all fine..

Replacing the laser is pretty easy and there are
instructions all over the net.

With that said - I would op for the SLIM option.

Thanks.

Found a guy on ebay and watched him replace it last time, so i think im good with the procedure.

I covet the quiet fan and hopeful reliability of the slim, though.

My Point Exactly

Alright. Time to start preparing my ppt for the finance committee.

Thanks!

It's only possible thru HDMI and on Uncompressed for the Fat Ps3. Slim ps3 can do Bitstream and Uncompressed thru HDMI, that way you can get HD audio.

No. It's not possible. Optical does not have the bandwidth to carry the HD audio tracks. It has to be HDMI.

I posted more about this a few days ago. See posts :
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post21522927

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post21523436