One-and-Only PS3 as Blu-Ray Player Thread - Page 14

Originally Posted by DanteX

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Ps3 is going to sell well (sold out) because, theres more than 100 millions of people that have a ps2 and theres going to be millions insterested on a ps3, because there are thousands of people that are going to buy it before it get sold out to sell it in ebay at 2x the price and get even more money, because of the hardcore gamers, because of the technology freaks, because of Xmas, because of the $500 version, because of the people who dont care about the price, because in usa theres going to be 500,000 or less consoles, because of so many things.....theres actually no point in said that the ps3 is not going to sell well, thats just make no sense, even the ps2 sells like crazy after 6 years of life.

And also because is going to be the best blu-ray player by the time it comes out, and a multimedia machine.

Originally Posted by Symtex

The 500$ PS3 version doesn't have a HDMI port which negate every single advantage of having an HD movie if you can only output in 480p. PS3 will sell. Will it be the best player out there. I doubt. If past is an indication of what to come, PS3 will be a mediocre BD player just like PS2 was a mediocre DVD player.

Originally Posted by Sid Viscous

I believe BD will output at 1080 over compoment.

Originally Posted by Management

Man I was going to use a PS3 as a Blu Ray player (a $600 value Blu Ray Player I can accept) but now I don't know because of what I heard from a CC guy saying that he heard (telephone game) the PS3's fan and internal circuitry is not designed to support the continuously spinning blu ray movie. That game systems media don't continously spin all the time during game play. He said that the PS3 might have problems playing movies over and over or really long movies like LOTR. I odn't know how much I believe what this guy was talking about but its still a thought.

Comments.

Originally Posted by Symtex

You can't. Anything above 480P needs to use a ITC and has to be using a compliant HDCP Port.

*EDIT**

For movie that is.

Originally Posted by nikonosis

sony has stated tons of times you can display 1080p movies over component.

Originally Posted by Symtex

This will only be true for a short period of time. Once studio implement HDCP in their movie, you will be screwed.

Originally Posted by briankmonkey

and so will the studios that implement.. They will be cutting off quite a bit of revenue if they do.

Originally Posted by Symtex

HDCP is part of the BD forum spec. They wanted to implement HDCP in the first place.

Originally Posted by briankmonkey

I know

Originally Posted by Symtex

Anyway we are arguing about semantics. If Movies Studio decides to never implement HDCP, good for then bu tI wouldn't hold my breath too long. Once the format will start to sell, they will make it happen. I feel sorry for all those ps3 owner who won't know all the technical aspect involved in not having an hdmi port.

Originally Posted by BOSS10L

Honestly, unless the BD player in the PS3 is going to be a quality HW based player, it won't matter. I am a gamer first and foremost, so I'll definitely be picking up an HDMI-equipped PS3, but if the BD player is SW based, it won't get used for movies. In the meantime, I'm enjoying my HD DVD and hoping that the BD camp gets it's collective act together. I am format agnostic as long as the quality is there.

Originally Posted by Symtex

The 500$ PS3 version doesn't have a HDMI port which negate every single advantage of having an HD movie if you can only output in 480p. PS3 will sell. Will it be the best player out there. I doubt. If past is an indication of what to come, PS3 will be a mediocre BD player just like PS2 was a mediocre DVD player.

Originally Posted by DanteX

Theres no ICT until like 2010/2012 so.....you are wrong.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060521-6880.html

Theres no indication with the ps2, the ps3 has the cell thats everything that needs to convert the ps3 a AAA player in the market, you can ask to toshiba about that because toshiba is going to do the same later this year.

Originally Posted by bkilian

The BD player in the PS3 _will_ be software based. Since BD only requires a single video stream, and they're currently using MPEG2, it's trivial to have a software decoder with the power they have (even using 0 SPE). Even VC1 is trivial (Although it will require them to fire up a few SPE processors). H.264 might be a little more tricky, but still solveable.

HDDVD requires 2 video streams, and the XBox is managing that in software, so I'd be very surprised if the PS3 couldn't.

On the topic of component 1080, think of it this way, the more systems that are sold that don't have HDMI, the less chance movie studios will turn on ICT while those systems make up a sizeable percentage of the users of their products. I cheered when the low end PS3 was announced, and when combined with the XBox 360 (also no HDMI), there will be tens of millions of customers that will not be using HDMI/HDCP. Trust me, that's more customers than any studio wants to upset.

August 2, 2006 - We're sure you've seen the talk. A note here, a conversation there -- Predictions of Sony's imminent demise/defeat/demolition has been a popular subject lately, but just how likely is it? IGN's resident PlayStation Team decided to sit down and talk about it amongst themselves to let you, our readers, know exactly what we think. Editor in Chief Jeremy Dunham and his staff of editors, Chris Roper, Juan Castro, and Jeff Haynes, spent the afternoon hashing it out. Here's how it all went down:


Jeremy Dunham

Jeremy Dunham: All right guys, I have to ask. With all the emails and message board posts claiming that it's a videogame apocalypse for Sony, is there any truth to it?

Chris Roper: Sony certainly has its work cut out in order to stay in the dominant position it's in. Microsoft has a year head start and will see its second-generation titles compete against Sony's first. Nintendo will introduce the Wii at roughly the same time, giving gamers a much cheaper option for a new platform. And there's the whole Wii60 idea going around...

The main concern for many people right now I think, including numerous publishers and developers, is the PS3's price. Five or six-hundred dollars is a lot to ask for a gaming console -- plus, you still have to go out and pay $60+ a pop.

Gamers are blaming the high cost on numerous aspects of the system, be it the Cell, Blu-ray drive, HDD inclusion or whatever else, but I have to say that I think it's a good deal. Consider that I paid $400 for my 360 and then had to drop another $100 on the WiFi adaptor. For another $100 I could have a PS3 that would also include a Blu-ray drive, an extra 40GB of HDD space, 100% backwards compatibility and more. Really, I don't think the PS3 is overpriced at all, but the problem is that most people do. And even if they don't, can they afford it?

Jeremy Dunham: I agree with you on the price issue Rope. I think it's certainly the touchiest aspect. $500-600 is a lot of money, but the value there is enormous (as it is with most game systems). Just look the price of other high-end electronics. The new top iPods are $400 bucks, stand-alone Blu-ray players are $800-plus, and larger plasma TVs are $3000 and up.

Judging by how quick these things fly off the shelves, it's obvious that consumers have and will part with their money to get the latest high-tech thingamajig.

Paul Jackson, who specialises in consumer technologies for market analysts Forrester Research, says: "You can't overestimate how much negativity there is around the PlayStation 3 in the Web 2.0/blogging space, even among hardcore PlayStation fans. The stories just keep getting worse and worse. They've got a real fight on their hands."

PS3 to come out on top, says Jez San
Thursday 3-Aug-2006 12:28 PM Industry Veteran Jez San predicts a successful run for Sony's console, "but only because its got Blu-ray"

Jez San, founder of the now-defunct Argonaut Software and now involved with PS3 slash 'em-up, Heavenly Sword has said that he thinks the PlayStation 3 will come out on top in the next-gen console war, "but only because its got Blu-ray."

Speaking to The Guardian, San said: "I think the combination of a next-generation games machine and a next-generation DVD player that plays full high-definition movies is very compelling, despite the huge price. Remember price is just a function of time and volume. It doesn't matter what the PS3 comes out at, it's what it gets down to, over time, that's important."

Advertisement:In the same article, market analyst Paul Jackson of Forrester Research agrees with San's comments, saying that Sony stands a good chance because, "Far more people will go for a PS3 than spend $1,000 on a Blu-ray player ...it's a question of how quickly [Sony] gets the price down."

Jackson goes on to echo San's own comments on the importance of price. "You can't get to the mass market until you get down to $300/£200 [mark]."

Originally Posted by PhdWho

One luxury Atari 2600 had was that early on there was no competition.

The PS3 is going also against the cheaper 360 and even cheaper Wii.

But at the same time Sony is still the world leader in home video games.

Originally Posted by Symtex

Microsoft has not made any comments regarding HDMI and their DVD-Addon.

Originally Posted by nikonosis

If you get HDDVD for the 360, the 360 is actually supposed to be more expensive than the $500 ps3.

Originally Posted by nikonosis

If you get HDDVD for the 360, the 360 is actually supposed to be more expensive than the $500 ps3.

Originally Posted by PhdWho

True, but it's an add-on, thus IF is the key word.

Or you wait for the 360 to drop than get the add-on.

Either way, you don't have to buy it. With the PS3 you have to buy bluray, even if you have no use for it.

I don't see the 360 really saving HDDVD from potential doom, though I could be totally mistaken on that point.

Originally Posted by PhdWho

Of course the same rules apply, that goes without saying.

Since the 360 has is going on 1 year since release date, expect a 360 price drop well before a PS3 price drop.