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post #2851 of 3040
I don't see where the "announcement" has any indication of NF selling off the DVD biz ..

Hastings move to separate the two is a good business play .. the very term Netflix indicates streaming delivery .. and has become as ubiquitous as Apple ..

They can now concentrate on growing each side, without co-mingling ..

As NF / QS expands into foreign markets with streaming, a differentiation needed to take place ..
post #2852 of 3040
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post
I don't see where the "announcement" has any indication of NF selling off the DVD biz ..

Hastings move to separate the two is a good business play .. the very term Netflix indicates streaming delivery .. and has become as ubiquitous as Apple ..

They can now concentrate on growing each side, without co-mingling ..

As NF / QS expands into foreign markets with streaming, a differentiation needed to take place ..
I disagree - most people i know still get their discs in the mail. Streaming didn't even come out until 3 years ago. "net" is referring to managing your queue online. If it was supposed to be indicative of the streaming, it would be called StreamingFlix.

from Engadget:

"Creating a completely unmemorable web address with a totally unmotivated mantra reeks of idiocy -- and failing to grab the Qwikster Twitter handle from an apparent stoner just has to be intentional -- but it all seems to make a bit more sense when you're proactively ridding your company of a business that will do nothing but nosedive in the years to come."

"Think of it this way: if Reed's forecasting a future where it no longer makes sense to continue the pursuit of a by-mail DVD business, how would he rather say goodbye? Flushing half of Netflix away and dealing with the backlash? Or quietly shuttering an awkwardly named website no one was particularly enthralled about from the get-go?"
post #2853 of 3040
Netflix is definitely a more apt name for streaming.

The price increase was overblown and insignificant, and not even their fault. Had it all stopped there the whiners and complainers would've continued to look like fools blinded by their own entitlement. Now, unfortunately, Netflix has made a decision that is both weighty and significant, and is entirely their fault. The first one is excusable and easily defensible, this one is not. The worst part though is all the aforementioned whiners\\complainers are going to feel vindicated and say moronic things like "I knew it! I saw the writing on the wall and got out early, hooray me!". Ugh.
post #2854 of 3040
the worst part is people being right? that is nothing compared to the reality of it.

if your largest worry is getting an "I told you so" thrown in your face, then you don't have problems.
post #2855 of 3040
The endgadget info is ludicrous and pandering ..

Hastings himself has said many times that the intent and goal of NF from the get go was streaming .. otherwise, he would have called it DVD by Mail ...

Again, with the NF European expansion under way, the South American expansion complete, and no intention of offering disk delivery, the split needed to happen ..

NF / QS is not going to shoot themselves in the foot by abandoning disk delivery to the USA .. as well, Qwikster is positioned as an independent subsidiary of NF .. with total separation of disk and streaming .. and has added game rental to the mix ..

Combine this with the entry into original programing and I see a strong American company positioning itself for further growth .. Hastings is a brilliant business man ..

Lastly, industry wide 2011 results of physical media rentals and sales have dropped by last count 20% .. NF / QS may have some competion, but no company approaches anywhere near market share or revenue ..
post #2856 of 3040
who is it pandering to? It's actually pretty fair to both sides. He's stating it in a much less sugar coated way, but he's not berating Hastings.
post #2857 of 3040
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post
this is putting the cart way before the horse. Streaming has nowhere near the number of titles as DVD. And this is giving them one step to cutting off DVD rentals completely. This is moving way too fast without enough substance yet. And it's fully reliant upon studios signing deals to stream - if they all band together and decide not to, you are completely screwed.
When they announced Q2 results they did say they planned on separating both businesses. Although I had no idea it meant two names and two disctinct websites. Which will be kind of a pain since they won't be integrated.
post #2858 of 3040
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post
who is it pandering to? It's actually pretty fair to both sides. He's stating it in a much less sugar coated way, but he's not berating Hastings.
from Engadget:

"Creating a completely unmemorable web address with a totally unmotivated mantra reeks of idiocy -- and failing to grab the Qwikster Twitter handle from an apparent stoner just has to be intentional -- but it all seems to make a bit more sense when you're proactively ridding your company of a business that will do nothing but nosedive in the years to come."

"Think of it this way: if Reed's forecasting a future where it no longer makes sense to continue the pursuit of a by-mail DVD business, how would he rather say goodbye? Flushing half of Netflix away and dealing with the backlash? Or quietly shuttering an awkwardly named website no one was particularly enthralled about from the get-go?"

come on now .. did you actually read the article .. ??
post #2859 of 3040
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post
the worst part is people being right? that is nothing compared to the reality of it.
Whoosh. The point is that they aren't\\weren't right and will now think that they are\\were.
post #2860 of 3040
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post
from Engadget:

"Creating a completely unmemorable web address with a totally unmotivated mantra reeks of idiocy -- and failing to grab the Qwikster Twitter handle from an apparent stoner just has to be intentional -- but it all seems to make a bit more sense when you're proactively ridding your company of a business that will do nothing but nosedive in the years to come."

"Think of it this way: if Reed's forecasting a future where it no longer makes sense to continue the pursuit of a by-mail DVD business, how would he rather say goodbye? Flushing half of Netflix away and dealing with the backlash? Or quietly shuttering an awkwardly named website no one was particularly enthralled about from the get-go?"

come on now .. did you actually read the article .. ??
of course I did - and you need to read the paragraphs as a whole. And it is an unmemorable web address - since when did the truth become pandering? He said it "reeks of idiocy" - BUT "it all seems all seems to make a bit more sense when you're proactively ridding your company of a business that will do nothing but nosedive in the years to come." "Nosedive" referring to the DVD business, which is fully the truth, again. DVD is going away. He is saying that right now people might think it's dumb, but that he's actually looking ahead to the future.

the second paragraph bolded "flushing half of netflix away" which is talking about a future possibility when DVD dies and streaming goes on - which WILL happen. Not sure how quietly shuttering is pejorative.
post #2861 of 3040
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post
of course I did - and you need to read the paragraphs as a whole. And it is an unmemorable web address - since when did the truth become pandering? He said it "reeks of idiocy" - BUT "it all seems all seems to make a bit more sense when you're proactively ridding your company of a business that will do nothing but nosedive in the years to come. "Nosedive" referring to the DVD business, which is fully the truth, again. DVD is going away. He is saying that right now people might think it's dumb, but that he's actually looking ahead to the future.

the second paragraph bolded "flushing half of netflix away" which is talking about a future possibility when DVD dies and streaming goes on - which WILL happen. Not sure how quietly shuttering is pejorative.
Call it what you will then .. and I will do the same .. at best, it's speculation .. and it panders to those that like to predict gloom and doom .. the writer may be attemting to cleverly cloak that in some prose, but none the less, it panders .. if you want to post again as a rebuttal and last word need, feel free .. I've made my point and won't belabor it further ..
post #2862 of 3040
Until I'm able to get DVD quality from the net, this streaming option is a non-player. Not only do I have to pay for the service, I have to also pay to upgrade my ISP. I have to wonder if their business model takes this into consideration. Maybe, its the future. Right now, it's not an option.
post #2863 of 3040
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Originally Posted by billybobg View Post
Until I'm able to get DVD quality from the net, this streaming option is a non-player. Not only do I have to pay for the service, I have to also pay to upgrade my ISP. I have to wonder if their business model takes this into consideration. Maybe, its the future. Right now, it's not an option.
In order to get any even good quality from any source, you'll need a good connection .. my 12mbps line provides very satisfactory PQ and my DSL connection in my office is not to bad either at 3.5mbps
post #2864 of 3040
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post
In order to get any even good quality from any source, you'll need a good connection .. my 12mbps line provides very satisfactory PQ and my DSL connection in my office is not to bad either at 3.5mbps
^ word.
post #2865 of 3040
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Originally Posted by billybobg View Post

Until I'm able to get DVD quality from the net, this streaming option is a non-player. Not only do I have to pay for the service, I have to also pay to upgrade my ISP. I have to wonder if their business model takes this into consideration. Maybe, its the future. Right now, it's not an option.

I agree billybobg.

People used to make the excuse that it was good enough for the price, since it was basically a throw-in with your disc media subscription.

Until the day that their streaming quality is equal to or better than DVD, along with a minimum of 5.1 audio, on all titles, it will not replace disc media.

Seperate from the DVD plan, and the quality is horrid to passible at best.

Is this what we bought our big screen 1080P displays and surround sound systems for? For stuff that looks passible at best?

I just cannot believe those video and audiophile members here backing netflix streaming over disc media.
post #2866 of 3040
Get a PS3, I get near Blu quality with 5.1 on many streaming titles.
post #2867 of 3040
I don't know if anyone advocates streaming over disk .. what I do know is there are outstanding PQ streams available .. HD versions over a modestly fast connection can and are outstanding ..

As well, that old J.Q. Public cares not with his average 42" TV .. and that's the NF target .. they are not targeting us ..

And, if you don't mind really paying, try VUDU ...
post #2868 of 3040
If Netflix/Qwikster wants to succeed, at least initially, then they need to consider a single sign-on or at least database sharing of the movie rating system.

If I'm logged in to Qwikster and browsing DVDs, and add one to my queue, they would be smart to still alert me to the fact that if I had a Netflix subscription (which I do) I could watch that title right now. With a link to the other website.

Just because they're two separate companies doesn't mean they're still not owned by the same parent!
post #2869 of 3040
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Originally Posted by lwright84 View Post

Get a PS3, I get near Blu quality with 5.1 on many streaming titles.

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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

I don't know if anyone advocates streaming over disk .. what I do know is there are outstanding PQ streams available .. HD versions over a modestly fast connection can and are outstanding ..

As well, that old J.Q. Public cares not with his average 42" TV .. and that's the NF target .. they are not targeting us ..

And, if you don't mind really paying, try VUDU ...

Define many? What is the percentage of the library fall into that category? 5%? 10%?

Mister Hastings would like to see you move from disc media to streaming. I'd say that's advocating one over the other, and there are many here who cheerlead for the very same thing.

J.Q. Public also takes his display out of the box, hooks it up to his cable box via coaxil, and thinks the picture is wonderful. I'm not talking about J.Q. Public, I'm talking about those who expect a higher standard, those who frequent home theater forums. The same ones who are happy to see the move from disc media to substandard streaming. Try VUDU? Why should I when there is superior disc media.

I'll say goodbye to discs when the method to replace it has improved upon it, not taken several steps backward.

By the way, I have a PS3 and the picture still looks like crap.
post #2870 of 3040
instantwatcher.com I'm sure can help you with that ..
post #2871 of 3040
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post

this is putting the cart way before the horse. Streaming has nowhere near the number of titles as DVD. And this is giving them one step to cutting off DVD rentals completely. This is moving way too fast without enough substance yet. And it's fully reliant upon studios signing deals to stream - if they all band together and decide not to, you are completely screwed.

Exactly my take.
Reed Hastings (sounds like the name of a character in a Soap, doesn't it?) has said, many moons back, his vision of NF was as a streaming company ONLY....zero physical disks being mailed.
post #2872 of 3040
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Originally Posted by lwright84 View Post

Get a PS3, I get near Blu quality with 5.1 on many streaming titles.

I've got a Sony BR. I don't believe the processing differs, if at all. Netflix samples your BW prior to download and therefore I suspect I'm getting the best that can be delivered through my ISP at my rate plan. I can rent a lot of movies and buy a few for what a higher, non guaranteed bit rate plus the Netflix contribution will cost.

I live in a semi-rural area and the bit-rate plans have larger BW available. However, they are listed as max and are not guaranteed. The price/value of paying up is just not there for the number of times I feel a need to stream. No argument if others are happy with streaming, but I've a 117" projected image and I don't want to pay for an inferior product. I think the concept is good, just not ready for primetime for my circumstance.
post #2873 of 3040
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

instantwatcher.com I'm sure can help you with that ..

So now I'm supposed to search through a website to find a title that would be exceptable to watch, whether it is something that i'd want to even watch it or not?

I rather continue to pick out programming to watch on disc media based on what interests me.
post #2874 of 3040
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

So now I'm supposed to search through a website to find a title that would be exceptable to watch, whether it is something that i'd want to even watch it or not?

I rather continue to pick out programming to watch on disc media based on what interests me.

I don't quite understand your post .. ??
post #2875 of 3040
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Originally Posted by billybobg View Post


I live in a semi-rural area and the bit-rate plans have larger BW available. However, they are listed as max and are not guaranteed. The price/value of paying up is just not there for the number of times I feel a need to stream. No argument if others are happy with streaming, but I've a 117" projected image and I don't want to pay for an inferior product. I think the concept is good, just not ready for primetime for my circumstance.

at 110" on my screen, Amazon is total crap, NF is passable on an HD stream and a PS3 ..

I would never use my HT and waste lamp time on SD NF / Amazon / whatever .. that's what the everyday 65" set is for ..

However, VUDU HDX can demonstate on large screens just what streaming is capable of .. if you are willing to pay ..

And really, it does boil down to cost .. apparently, some expect VUDU quality, 10 bucks a month or less, and new releases with a catalog that spans back to the first film made .. ain't gonna happen in our lifetimes ..
post #2876 of 3040
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Originally Posted by drvais View Post

I can't believe he was referring to DVDs and Blu-rays as simply "DVDs" in his email. Hello, there is a difference! I would expect such a statement from a J6P, but not from a guy that deals (or used to deal) with disc media all day.

The guy is being somewhat clever here.
He is trying to convince folks there is no such thing as BD.
NOTHING is more of an enemy to his dreams of streaming as 1080p/lossless.

For a long time, tech geeks have said the Net's capacity for massive flows of those necessary bits over "the pipes" would cause the entire Internet to grind to halt.
If that were to happen, the Feds would step in and streaming would be severely regulated.
post #2877 of 3040
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

at 110" on my screen, Amazon is total crap, NF is passable on an HD stream and a PS3 ..

I would never use my HT and waste lamp time on SD NF / Amazon / whatever .. that's what the everyday 65" set is for ..

However, VUDU HDX can demonstate on large screens just what streaming is capable of .. if you are willing to pay ..

And really, it does boil down to cost .. apparently, some expect VUDU quality, 10 bucks a month or less, and new releases with a catalog that spans back to the first film made .. ain't gonna happen in our lifetimes ..

Yet, you can do that with a DVD/BD sub. $10/month, new releases, with a catalog that spans way back, in full resolution and audio, delivered to my home, or exchanged in store. When streaming can match it, I'll say goodbye to physical media.
post #2878 of 3040
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

The guy is being somewhat clever here.
He is trying to convince folks there is no such thing as BD.
NOTHING is more of an enemy to his dreams of streaming as 1080p/lossless.

For a long time, tech geeks have said the Net's capacity for massive flows of those necessary bits over "the pipes" would cause the entire Internet to grind to halt.
If that were to happen, the Feds would step in and streaming would be severely regulated.

Well, you can bet that without infrastucture upgrades being done .. the pipe can and will get strained ..

And there is that little thing .. "Bandwidth Caps" ..
post #2879 of 3040
I didn't really mind when Netflix raised my bill 60%, as I figured I was still getting an outstanding value for the money. So what, my bill went from $10 to $16 - big deal.

But now, with their decision to split the company into two separate entities, I am actually annoyed for the first time. They've ruined the convenience of Netflix, which was their biggest asset. If I'm going to have to manage two different queues and get two different sets of suggested titles, etc... well hell, why should I even bother to stick with either service? I might as well just use Blockbuster, Amazon, Redbox and other companies instead.

Netflix just killed off the one key advantage they still possessed: convenience.
post #2880 of 3040
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Originally Posted by billybobg View Post

I've got a Sony BR. I don't believe the processing differs, if at all. Netflix samples your BW prior to download and therefore I suspect I'm getting the best that can be delivered through my ISP at my rate plan. I can rent a lot of movies and buy a few for what a higher, non guaranteed bit rate plus the Netflix contribution will cost.

Pretty sure that PS3 is the only device with 1080i HD streams and 5.1 audio. At least, that's how it was when 1080i\\5.1 initially rolled out to Netflix streaming.
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