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post #2881 of 3040
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

Yet, you can do that with a DVD/BD sub. $10/month, new releases, with a catalog that spans way back, in full resolution and audio, delivered to my home, or exchanged in store. When streaming can match it, I'll say goodbye to physical media.

That's my point .. streaming is a sideline .. a convienience .. is it meant to replace physical media .. ?? Not yet .. if nothing else, can you imagine Tuesday night, new releases, and the populace attempting to watch "Thor" using the Web and nothing else .. ??
post #2882 of 3040
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

And really, it does boil down to cost .. apparently, some expect VUDU quality, 10 bucks a month or less, and new releases with a catalog that spans back to the first film made .. ain't gonna happen in our lifetimes ..

This is part of what I've been talking about. The overwhelming aura of entitlement, combined with the complete lack of common sense and technical understanding make for sickening results.
post #2883 of 3040
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

Define many? What is the percentage of the library fall into that category? 5%? 10%?

I'd say 10-20%


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By the way, I have a PS3 and the picture still looks like crap.

Try having realistic expectations, increased bandwidth, or better ISP. I have 12mb UVERSE and I've literally forgot I wasn't watching a Blu-ray before. Of course, I just have a measly 65" Mitsu C9 DLP.
post #2884 of 3040
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

The guy is being somewhat clever here.
He is trying to convince folks there is no such thing as BD.
NOTHING is more of an enemy to his dreams of streaming as 1080p/lossless.

For a long time, tech geeks have said the Net's capacity for massive flows of those necessary bits over "the pipes" would cause the entire Internet to grind to halt.
If that were to happen, the Feds would step in and streaming would be severely regulated.

fully agree.
post #2885 of 3040
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

That's my point .. streaming is a sideline .. a convienience .. is it meant to replace physical media .. ?? Not yet .. if nothing else, can you imagine Tuesday night, new releases, and the populace attempting to watch "Thor" using the Web and nothing else .. ??

well personally I think that would be a great way to figure out how to thin out the herd......
post #2886 of 3040
Could someone please explain to me why they insist it only be "streaming" and not some kind of VOD like I have with some HD shows on DirecTv?

My bandwidth is so poor in my area that I can not even stream SD, but I would gladly have it download overnight to my PS3 and watch it in 1080p the next day...

That way data could also flow at non-peak hours and at variable rates; it would seem that the ISPs would benefit too..
post #2887 of 3040
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Originally Posted by skoolpsyk View Post

Could someone please explain to me why they insist it only be "streaming" and not some kind of VOD like I have with some HD shows on DirecTv?

My bandwidth is so poor in my area that I can not even stream SD, but I would gladly have it download overnight to my PS3 and watch it in 1080p the next day...

That way data could also flow at non-peak hours and at variable rates; it would seem that the ISPs would benefit too..

Amazon offers a VOD download option on a lot of material ..
post #2888 of 3040
because that is a different type of agreement I believe.
post #2889 of 3040
10 Things to Remember About Netflix While Scratching Your Head About Qwikster:

http://fireballed.org/linked/2011/09...ommer-netflix/
post #2890 of 3040
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Originally Posted by lwright84 View Post

10 Things to Remember About Netflix While Scratching Your Head About Qwikster:

http://fireballed.org/linked/2011/09...ommer-netflix/

I could have wrote that .. many of the same points I've been making today ..
post #2891 of 3040
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Originally Posted by lwright84 View Post

Pretty sure that PS3 is the only device with 1080i HD streams and 5.1 audio. At least, that's how it was when 1080i\\5.1 initially rolled out to Netflix streaming.

I believe the Roku HD now does 1080p as well, although many devices are capable of the 720p. Multiple devices are also capable of 5.1 audio, such as the WDTV.
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post #2893 of 3040
Netflix down another $11.74 today on the market, the market was down overall, but not that far. 52 Week high was 304.79, today's close 143.60, 52 week low is 140.02.... Looks like Wall Street didn't like the news much either.
post #2894 of 3040
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

I agree billybobg.

People used to make the excuse that it was good enough for the price, since it was basically a throw-in with your disc media subscription.

Until the day that their streaming quality is equal to or better than DVD, along with a minimum of 5.1 audio, on all titles, it will not replace disc media.

Seperate from the DVD plan, and the quality is horrid to passible at best.

Is this what we bought our big screen 1080P displays and surround sound systems for? For stuff that looks passible at best?

I just cannot believe those video and audiophile members here backing netflix streaming over disc media.

I can't see the enthusiasm for streaming, either, especially from posters who have access to movies on BD. I used my PS3 as a NF streaming client when I was still a NF subscriber, too. Its content never looked much if any better than fair, to my eyes at least, and often looked much worse

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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

[color="darkred"]I'll say goodbye to discs when the method to replace it has improved upon it, not taken several steps backward.

By the way, I have a PS3 and the picture still looks like crap.

I wouldn't say every NF streaming title "Looks like crap" but agree that it's not that great, either. It always looked dramatically worse than BDs and only rarely approached DVD quality, even on my PS3. Worse, nobody's streaming supports lossless HD audio.
post #2895 of 3040
I don't like Steaming.

And, I'm happy to watch Netflix fail.

-Brian
post #2896 of 3040
What about this angle: Netflix is shedding it's Disc business so that it can sell off the Streaming business to a high profile player like Apple or Comcast, and that a deal is already well in the works, and that the acquirer wants nothing to do with discs.
post #2897 of 3040
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Originally Posted by ixion View Post

What about this angle: Netflix is shedding it's Disc business so that it can sell off the Streaming business to a high profile player like Apple or Comcast, and that a deal is already well in the works, and that the acquirer wants nothing to do with discs.

If there is any sale deal, it's the other way around .. sell the disk business / keep the streaming .. disk sales just this year are down 20% or more ..

Disks in 20 years or less will be looked upon much like an 8 track tape is today ..
post #2898 of 3040
I am only pissed about having to maintain two different queues.Hopefully someone will develop an app that will take care of that problem (HINT HINT NF/QS)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
post #2899 of 3040
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Originally Posted by skoolpsyk View Post

Could someone please explain to me why they insist it only be "streaming" and not some kind of VOD like I have with some HD shows on DirecTv?

My bandwidth is so poor in my area that I can not even stream SD, but I would gladly have it download overnight to my PS3 and watch it in 1080p the next day...

That way data could also flow at non-peak hours and at variable rates; it would seem that the ISPs would benefit too..

VOD requires software on the consumer end that does not allow the movie to be copied somewhere else after on your "machine" and is a much smaller audience than streaming. This is much easier to "bust" than trying to capture a video stream - which can be done, but offers the content provider more ways to prevent the capture of the video.

larry
post #2900 of 3040
Copying a DVD/Bluray is much easier then VOD or streaming. So streaming is more secure, is much cheaper compared to manufacturing disks with all the packaging, shipping and warehousing.

So they are ether fools or the media is really being controlled by cable and satellite, which then the government should step in so the consumer is not being ripped off.
post #2901 of 3040
Does anyone know if our queues will be carried over to the new site? Also, will our viewing history be maintained at the new site? Will I have the same username and passwords on both sites by default? I'm surprised Netflix hasn't set up a "FAQ" site to answer these questions.

I never cared much for the streaming option (low quality, low selection) so I doubt I will have much reason to ever visit the streaming site--IMO this isn't going to help people try streaming, it will drive them away if anything.
post #2902 of 3040
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

i agree billybobg.

People used to make the excuse that it was good enough for the price, since it was basically a throw-in with your disc media subscription.

Until the day that their streaming quality is equal to or better than dvd, along with a minimum of 5.1 audio, on all titles, it will not replace disc media.

Seperate from the dvd plan, and the quality is horrid to passible at best.

Is this what we bought our big screen 1080p displays and surround sound systems for? For stuff that looks passible at best?

I just cannot believe those video and audiophile members here backing netflix streaming over disc media.

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Originally Posted by billybobg View Post

until i'm able to get dvd quality from the net, this streaming option is a non-player. Not only do i have to pay for the service, i have to also pay to upgrade my isp. I have to wonder if their business model takes this into consideration. Maybe, its the future. Right now, it's not an option.

+1!
post #2903 of 3040
http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2...ter?ft=1&f=100

"And it has to be said: It doesn't help that the word "Qwikster" sounds inherently faddish and goofy, like the very last word of its kind they could make out of the correct phonetic elements that wasn't already trademarked.

The inconveniences, in other words, are real and tangible and instantly noticeable, but the advantages are cosmetic. They're trying to train people to think of these as two different things, streaming and DVD renting, and that's fine. But when you do it at the expense of convenience and ... well, expense, then you can't expect it's going to solve your customer loyalty problems."
post #2904 of 3040
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Originally Posted by Bob McLaughlin View Post

Does anyone know if our queues will be carried over to the new site? Also, will our viewing history be maintained at the new site? Will I have the same username and passwords on both sites by default? I'm surprised Netflix hasn't set up a "FAQ" site to answer these questions.

I never cared much for the streaming option (low quality, low selection) so I doubt I will have much reason to ever visit the streaming site--IMO this isn't going to help people try streaming, it will drive them away if anything.

whenever I see someone use this argument, I wish I could have them over to my house and show them the streams I get. Audio notwithstanding, I can almost guarantee you can't tell the difference on my 50" Pioneer at 9 feet on most PS3 HD streams. It's not "low quality" - if you think it is, it's your fault or your ISP, not Netflix.
post #2905 of 3040
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post

whenever I see someone use this argument, I wish I could have them over to my house and show them the streams I get. Audio notwithstanding, I can almost guarantee you can't tell the difference on my 50" Pioneer at 9 feet on most PS3 HD streams. It's not "low quality" - if you think it is, it's your fault or your ISP, not Netflix.

Yes, some titles are better than DVD and are near HD quality, even on my 106" screen. However, the selection and audio quality sucks big time.
post #2906 of 3040
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post

It's not "low quality" - if you think it is, it's your fault or your ISP, not Netflix.

Not sure you meant to, but you just made my point. Not only would I need to pay for a premium bit rate on my ISP, but also the Netflix vigorish. My fault? I guess so, but I can't see paying up that much when rentals are cheap and even you admit that the sound from NF isn't 5.1. IF I had a business case where I could justify the increased bitrate into my house, then I might consider giving it a try again, but I can't justify it at this time.
post #2907 of 3040
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Originally Posted by billybobg View Post

Not sure you meant to, but you just made my point. Not only would I need to pay for a premium bit rate on my ISP, but also the Netflix vigorish. My fault? I guess so, but I can't see paying up that much when rentals are cheap and even you admit that the sound from NF isn't 5.1. IF I had a business case where I could justify the increased bitrate into my house, then I might consider giving it a try again, but I can't justify it at this time.

it is 5.1. It's just not DTS-MA or TrueHD.

Here, Comcast isn't much of a price increase between the basic and medium speed, so I guess that isn't a factor for me. If it is for you, then you are correct that it's up to you.
post #2908 of 3040
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post

whenever I see someone use this argument, I wish I could have them over to my house and show them the streams I get. Audio notwithstanding, I can almost guarantee you can't tell the difference on my 50" Pioneer at 9 feet on most PS3 HD streams. It's not "low quality" - if you think it is, it's your fault or your ISP, not Netflix.

I have to ditto that .. on my 65" Hitachi Directors series Rear Projection CRT, with a PS3 and no processing, the PQ on a good stream is simply outstanding .. I guess that's why I just don't get the "Netflix is crap" statements .. seems to me, many have just not seen what the service is capable of ..
post #2909 of 3040
Allow me to clarify my comment about low quality, I was talking about the sound. That's a huge part of home theater for me. Until streaming can provide the same level of sound as other media, it can't be considered being on equal ground.
post #2910 of 3040
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Originally Posted by Bob McLaughlin View Post

Allow me to clarify my comment about low quality, I was talking about the sound. That's a huge part of home theater for me. Until streaming can provide the same level of sound as other media, it can't be considered being on equal ground.

I've never thought of it as gaining equal ground .. streaming is a fill in and a convienience .. my main viewing is still BD .. however, I do tend to enjoy the plot / story more so than pristine video and audio .. just me ..
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