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post #2431 of 4899
12/11/08 at 4:40pm
Does Dish have HD locals up in the CR-Waterloo area?
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post #2432 of 4899
12/11/08 at 5:25pm
I noticed that KQIN-PBS 36.1, 2 and 3 has increased their power. I checked at noon and again tonight and their signal was just as high as all the others at the Orion, IL antenna farm. Can anyone else verify that? I live 28 miles from the transmitters.
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post #2433 of 4899
12/11/08 at 8:23pm
For quite a while, I've been helping some of my friends and neighbors set up their converter boxes. For the past two weeks, I've noticed a couple new channels showing up on the channel scans: 35.99 and 45.99. Currently, they're just black video with a constant tone, but since they both appear to have popped up at virtually the same time, it makes me wonder if IPTV is preparing to introduce a fourth subchannel, since channels 35 and 45 are the channels that the two area IPTV digital stations broadcast on.

Has anyone else noticed this?
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post #2434 of 4899
12/11/08 at 8:38pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by VintonShellsburg View Post

For quite a while, I've been helping some of my friends and neighbors set up their converter boxes. For the past two weeks, I've noticed a couple new channels showing up on the channel scans: 35.99 and 45.99. Currently, they're just black video with a constant tone, but since they both appear to have popped up at virtually the same time, it makes me wonder if IPTV is preparing to introduce a fourth subchannel, since channels 35 and 45 are the channels that the two area IPTV digital stations broadcast on.

Has anyone else noticed this?

Noticed the tone a month ago but was interrupted tone. My HDHOMERUN
is loaned out so can't capture the stream on the computer.

I know some stations will use audio sub channels for IFB. (The talent can hear direction
from the studio used in remote broadcast news gathering. GOOGLE: IFB for ENG over ATSC)
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post #2435 of 4899
12/12/08 at 7:14am
I just tried tuning in the new 35.99 and 45.99 channels on my Accurian handheld DTV. As usually happens, the video was black and the tone was heard, but this time the TV popped up an information box after a few seconds that said "Radio Channel". Perhaps these channels are destined to be an audio-only service?
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post #2436 of 4899
12/12/08 at 8:08am
Is there someone other than rcourtney with a computer-based receiver who might be able to capture the transport stream so someone like me could analyze it and figure out just what's going on with 45.99 and 35.99?

- Trip
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post #2437 of 4899
12/12/08 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Is there someone other than rcourtney with a computer-based receiver who might be able to capture the transport stream so someone like me could analyze it and figure out just what's going on with 45.99 and 35.99?

- Trip

heck - there are people here who know whazzup - more a question if they have seen this discussion, and if they have, are they allowed to disclose anything.

(you know who you are. )
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post #2438 of 4899
12/12/08 at 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Is there someone other than rcourtney with a computer-based receiver who might be able to capture the transport stream so someone like me could analyze it and figure out just what's going on with 45.99 and 35.99?

- Trip


TSReaderLite info on channel 45 PSIP PMT data shows:

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Program Number: 99

Stream Type: 0x81 AC-3 Audio PID 33 (0x0021)
AC3: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
AC3: Mode complete main Coding 2/0 L, R

Captured with MyHD card.....
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post #2439 of 4899
12/12/08 at 1:17pm
Any chance you could dump it out in the form of an HTML Export? Check all the boxes in the export window except the thumbnails, that'll provide the maximum amount of info.

I'm confused by the PID. Shouldn't be a PID of 0x0021...

- Trip
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post #2440 of 4899
12/12/08 at 1:18pm
IPTV used to broadcast on a SAP channel services for the blind
where someone read out loud the newspaper.

That service had a wild history.
At one time it was broadcast on public radio FM SCA (using old
MUZAK receivers when they moved to Dishnet)

This might be the rebirth of the service.
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post #2441 of 4899
12/12/08 at 7:05pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Any chance you could dump it out in the form of an HTML Export? Check all the boxes in the export window except the thumbnails, that'll provide the maximum amount of info.

I'm confused by the PID. Shouldn't be a PID of 0x0021...

- Trip

Not sure I had all options checked when I exported, but here is most of the info.....


Code:
Program Association Table

 PAT Version Number: 22
Transport Stream ID: 927 (0x039f)

PMT PID 48 (0x0030) - Program 3 KIINHD EIT Link
PMT PID 64 (0x0040) - Program 4 KIINSD1 EIT Link
PMT PID 80 (0x0050) - Program 5 KIINSD2 EIT Link
PMT PID 153 (0x0099) - Program 99 
Program Map Table(s)

 Program Number: 3 KIINHD

Stream Type: 0x02 MPEG-2 Video PID 49 (0x0031)
MPEG Video: Bitrate 65.000 Mbps Resolution 1920 x 1080i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 16:9 Chroma Format 4:2:0

Stream Type: 0x81 AC-3 Audio PID 52 (0x0034)
AC3: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
AC3: Mode complete main Coding 2/0 L, R
Program Number: 4 KIINSD1

Stream Type: 0x02 MPEG-2 Video PID 65 (0x0041)
MPEG Video: Bitrate 15.000 Mbps Resolution 704 x 480i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 4:3 Chroma Format 4:2:0

Stream Type: 0x81 AC-3 Audio PID 68 (0x0044)
AC3: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
AC3: Mode complete main Coding 2/0 L, R

Stream Type: 0x81 AC-3 Audio PID 69 (0x0045)
AC3: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
AC3: Mode complete main Coding 2/0 L, R
Program Number: 5 KIINSD2

Stream Type: 0x02 MPEG-2 Video PID 81 (0x0051)
MPEG Video: Bitrate 15.000 Mbps Resolution 704 x 480i
MPEG Video: Framerate 29.97 fps Aspect Ratio 4:3 Chroma Format 4:2:0

Stream Type: 0x81 AC-3 Audio PID 84 (0x0054)
AC3: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
AC3: Mode complete main Coding 2/0 L, R
Program Number: 99

Stream Type: 0x81 AC-3 Audio PID 33 (0x0021)
AC3: Bitrate 192 Kbps Sample Rate 48 KHz
AC3: Mode complete main Coding 2/0 L, R
Terrestrial Virtual Channel Table

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Service Name: KIINHD
TSID: 927 (0x039f) NTSC: 12 ATSC: 45 IA IOWA CITY
Channel Number: 12.1
Carrier Frequency: 0
Modulation Mode: ATSC (8 VSB)
Source ID: 1
Descriptor: ATSC Service Location Descriptor
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Source ID: 2
Descriptor: ATSC Service Location Descriptor
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Service Name: KIINSD2
TSID: 927 (0x039f) NTSC: 12 ATSC: 45 IA IOWA CITY
Channel Number: 12.3
Carrier Frequency: 0
Modulation Mode: ATSC (8 VSB)
Source ID: 3
Descriptor: ATSC Service Location Descriptor
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 Stream Type 0x81 (AC-3 Audio) ESPID = 0x0054 Language = eng
Event Information Table

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Starts: 12/12/2008 2:00:00 PM
Length: 01:00:00
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Starts: 12/12/2008 3:00:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Description: Normandy: War-Torn Yet Full of Life Ponder sacrifice on the D-Day beaches and visit a composer's eccentric world and Monet's lily ponds.
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Starts: 12/12/2008 3:30:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Description: Bologna & Emilia Romagna A trip to the mountainous Apennines, Ravenna's  6th century mosaics and a beach resort at Rimini.
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Starts: 12/12/2008 4:00:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Name: Jacques Pepin: More Fast Food My Way
Description: Brussel Sprout Love Crusty Chicken Thighs with Mushroom Sauce is served with a Fricasse of Brussels Sprouts and Bacon.
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Starts: 12/12/2008 4:30:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Name: Mexico -- One Plate at a Time with Rick Bayless
Description: Beach Blanket Barbecue Succulent Grill-Roasted Whole Fish Adobado is marinated in sweet-spicy Ancho Chile Adobo.
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Starts: 12/12/2008 5:00:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Name: Desert Speaks
Description: The Lost Palm Weavers of Sonora Join the search in for the descendants of Opata palm weavers and explore the surviving tradition.
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Starts: 12/12/2008 5:30:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Name: Travelscope
Description: Taiwan - City and Culture The heart and soul of the country is found in Taipei's attractions and the ethnic minority people.
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Starts: 12/12/2008 6:00:00 PM
Length: 01:00:00
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Name: The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer
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Starts: 12/12/2008 7:00:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Name: The Iowa Journal
Description: Flood Stories: Iowa Journal Special Edition
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Starts: 12/12/2008 7:30:00 PM
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Starts: 12/12/2008 8:00:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Name: Market to Market
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Starts: 12/12/2008 8:30:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Name: Taste of the Midwest with Dan Kaercher
Description: Iowa Dan visits the Iowa State Fair and tastes the delicacies at The Lincoln Cafe in Mount Vernon.
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Starts: 12/12/2008 9:00:00 PM
Length: 01:00:00
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Name: How Art Made The World
Description: More Human Than Human The ancient origins of art provide insights into what makes art a central part of being human.
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Starts: 12/12/2008 10:00:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Name: Washington Week
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Starts: 12/12/2008 10:30:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Name: NOW on PBS
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Starts: 12/12/2008 11:00:00 PM
Length: 01:00:00
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Name: Bill Moyers Journal
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  Channel 4
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Starts: 12/12/2008 2:30:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
EIT Source: n/a
Name: Between the Lions
Description: I Don't Want A Birthday Party & Knuffle Bunny Leona can't understand why Roodles the Clown doesn't want a birthday party. Where is Lovey?
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Starts: 12/12/2008 3:00:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Name: Arthur
Description: Arthur's Eyes/Francine's Bad Hair Day Arthur has vision problems and needs glasses. Francine changes herself for her school picture.
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Starts: 12/12/2008 3:30:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Name: Fetch! With Ruff Ruffman
Description: Ruff's Big Break Mike and Willie are challenged to learn about the human balance system and visit an otologist.
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Starts: 12/12/2008 4:00:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Name: Martha Speaks
Description: Martha Blah Blah/Skits Behaves Martha loses her ability to communicate when Granny subtracts letters from the soup at the factory.
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Starts: 12/12/2008 4:30:00 PM
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Name: WordGirl
Description: You Can't Crush City Hall/Two Brain Highway Chuck the Evil Sandwich-Making Guy is threatening to smush City Hall with his giant sandwich press.
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Starts: 12/12/2008 5:00:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Description: Curious George Gets All Keyed Up/Gutter Monkey George volunteers to deliver Betsy's xylophone to her school while she goes to the beautician.
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Starts: 12/12/2008 5:30:00 PM
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Starts: 12/12/2008 6:30:00 PM
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Name: The Iowa Journal
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Starts: 12/12/2008 7:00:00 PM
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Starts: 12/12/2008 7:30:00 PM
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Starts: 12/12/2008 8:30:00 PM
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Starts: 12/12/2008 9:00:00 PM
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Starts: 12/12/2008 10:00:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Starts: 12/12/2008 10:30:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Name: Blackadder The Third
Description: Dual and Duality Will Edmund's Scottish cousin, MacAdder, save him from death at the hands of the fearsome Duke of Wellington? Or is he more interested in Mrs. Miggin's buns? Baldrick comes up with a cunning idea!
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Starts: 12/12/2008 11:00:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Starts: 12/12/2008 11:30:00 PM
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Starts: 12/12/2008 2:30:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Name: Travelscope
Description: Cruising Alaska's Inside Passage Joseph takes in scenic and cultural experiences in Prince Rupert, BC, Juneau, Skagway and Sitka.
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Starts: 12/12/2008 3:00:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Name: P. Allen Smith's Garden Home
Description: Garden Glories Spring plantings of daffodils give way to summer poppies in a color switch that's breathtaking.
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Starts: 12/12/2008 3:30:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Name: This Old House
Description: Weston Project, Part 9 of 16 A New England fieldstone natural stone veneer is installed, with the help of a busload of masons.
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Starts: 12/12/2008 4:00:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Name: Hometime
Description: Boulder Waterfall The crew creates a backyard water feature, put up a fence, insulate an attic and install a new roof.
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Starts: 12/12/2008 4:30:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Name: Cultivating Life
Description: Spring Flowering alliums for a garden and growing and curing shallots, garlic and leeks are featured.
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Starts: 12/12/2008 5:00:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Name: Paint, Paper and Crafts
Description: Hit Album Get into the scrapbook craze and learn the trick and the know-how to make an album in an evening.
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Starts: 12/12/2008 5:30:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Name: One Stroke Painting with Donna Dewberry
Description: Furniture Painting Fun techniques for giving furniture and walls quick and easy makeovers without spending a fortune.
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Starts: 12/12/2008 6:00:00 PM
Length: 01:00:00
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Name: Making Sense of Place
Description: Phoenix: The Urban Desert Explore the impact of rampant development, which provides homes but threatens the region's ecology.
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Starts: 12/12/2008 7:00:00 PM
Length: 01:00:00
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Name: Making Sense of Place
Description: Cleveland: Confronting Decline In An American City Examine issues of urban decline and some hopeful opportunities for neighborhood revitalization.
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Starts: 12/12/2008 8:00:00 PM
Length: 01:00:00
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Name: Race for Open Space
Description: Charles Gibson narrates a look at the issues surrounding development and open space preservation.
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Starts: 12/12/2008 9:00:00 PM
Length: 01:00:00
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Name: The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer
Description: n/a
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Starts: 12/12/2008 10:00:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Name: Nightly Business Report
Description: n/a
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Starts: 12/12/2008 10:30:00 PM
Length: 00:30:00
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Name: Worldfocus
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Starts: 12/12/2008 11:00:00 PM
Length: 01:00:00
EIT Source: n/a
Name: Making Sense of Place
Description: Phoenix: The Urban Desert Explore the impact of rampant development, which provides homes but threatens the region's ecology.
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MPEG-2 Statistics

         TableSections ProcessedCRC Errors          PAT268.5k0          CAT00          PMT80          ETT755.5k0          PSIP188.9k0          EIT159.3k0       
Continuity errors: 17976
TEI errors: 0
Calculated multiplex rate: 19392651 bps
General Information

 Source: Transport Stream File-loop
Tuner: n/a
Signal: n/a
Network Type: ATSC
Run Time: 000:04:14
PID Usage Chart

       0x0000 (0.13% ~ 0.03 Mbps)       0x0000 MPEG-2 Program Assocation Table       0x0021 (1.07% - 0.21 Mbps)       0x0021 AC-3 Audio for program 99       0x0030 (0.13% ~ 0.03 Mbps)       0x0030 MPEG-2 PMT for program 3       0x0031 (63.71% - 12.37 Mbps) *1284/0       0x0031 MPEG-2 Video for program 3       0x0034 (1.02% ~ 0.20 Mbps) *1284/0       0x0034 AC-3 Audio for program 3       0x0040 (0.13% ~ 0.03 Mbps)       0x0040 MPEG-2 PMT for program 4       0x0041 (19.04% - 3.85 Mbps) *1284/0       0x0041 MPEG-2 Video for program 4       0x0044 (1.02% ~ 0.20 Mbps) *1284/0       0x0044 AC-3 Audio for program 4       0x0045 (1.02% ~ 0.20 Mbps) *1284/0       0x0045 AC-3 Audio for program 4       0x0050 (0.13% ~ 0.03 Mbps)       0x0050 MPEG-2 PMT for program 5       0x0051 (9.35% - 1.93 Mbps) *1284/0       0x0051 MPEG-2 Video for program 5       0x0054 (1.02% ~ 0.20 Mbps) *1284/0       0x0054 AC-3 Audio for program 5       0x0099 (0.13% ~ 0.03 Mbps)       0x0099 MPEG-2 PMT for program 99       0x1d00 (0.12% ~ 0.02 Mbps) *1284/0       0x1d00 ATSC EIT-0       0x1d01 (0.06% ~ 0.01 Mbps)       0x1d01 ATSC EIT-1       0x1d02 (0.03% ~ 0.00 Mbps) *1284/0       0x1d02 ATSC EIT-2       0x1d03 (0.02% ~ 0.00 Mbps) *1284/0       0x1d03 ATSC EIT-3       0x1e00 (0.26% ~ 0.05 Mbps)       0x1e00 ATSC Event ETT-0       0x1e01 (0.11% ~ 0.02 Mbps) *1284/0       0x1e01 ATSC Event ETT-1       0x1e02 (0.03% ~ 0.00 Mbps) *1284/0       0x1e02 ATSC Event ETT-2       0x1e03 (0.01% ~ 0.00 Mbps) *1284/0       0x1e03 ATSC Event ETT-3       0x1ffb (0.10% ~ 0.02 Mbps) *1284/0       0x1ffb ATSC Base PID (TVCT, MGT, RT, STT)       0x1fff (1.37% ~ 0.27 Mbps)       0x1fff MPEG-2 NULL Packet
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post #2442 of 4899
12/12/08 at 8:58pm
It's strange. The audio is there, but it's not mapped, it's not included in the TVCT at all. Hopefully that'll get sorted out.

- Trip
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post #2443 of 4899
12/13/08 at 5:57am
Nothing on both my PCs and DTV receiver...
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post #2444 of 4899
12/13/08 at 6:19am
I guess things must be pretty bad reception-wise for all channels. Tweaked the rotor a little to around 350 degrees now, moved about 23 degrees more north. KWWL is bouncing now, getting low 50s on it, KGAN too. KCRG and PBS Wloo are better but lower also, KFXA in the 90s but usually 100%. Backsiders KWKB and PBS IC lower too but coming in solid.

Using a cm2016/7777 setup near Kirkwood in CR...in clearer weather get 90s on everything but have noticed the Pinnacle tuner PC loses 2,7 and 32 since I went to the 2016 (3 total antennas being fed as with the prior cm4228/7775 rig). The other PC with an Aver VolarMax, usually is solid greens/perfect reception in Vista Media Center and Aver Media Center but is in the yellows or worse today also.

BTW, the VolarMax is a great ATSC USB PC tuner. Well worth the money, blows the Pinnacle out of the water.
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post #2445 of 4899
12/14/08 at 7:21am
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I hate to always sound like I'm railing against KGAN, but....Right now we have a great HD picture while Criminal Minds is on. The problem is only part of the audio is there. I switched to SD and the audio is fine. On HD, nothing but the background tracks and music. No dialogue at all. Very strange!

Rail on KGAN all you like, for I do it all the time also, just usually not publically. I too have experienced the aggravating center channel disappearances, where you can hear lots of lovely traffic sounds and no dialog. While I do tend to watch more CBS dramas than the other channels, I've recorded/watched a bunch there as well, and have not once noticed the same problem--it seems exclusive to KGAN. Its "mastery" of the HD signal is woeful. I think it was during that same CSI:NY episode that someone else referenced that KGAN experienced a period where the signal must have switched from analog to HD something like 10 times in a single minute. Unwatchable.

When writers have technical quirks, readers' attention starts to drift toward the writing rather than the story. These writers get editors or get fired. When TV shows push viewers' attention to technical ineptitude rather than the story, it does not put the viewers in good moods to feel favorably to what they see on commercials. You'd think that would catch up with the station after awhile. Maybe it does, who knows?

Perhaps these problems will go away in February when there's only one signal going out, but if it doesn't, look out. February is sweeps, after all, and all of the networks will be putting up their ace new material. Personally, I'm looking forward to that "Very Special episode of the Channel 2 News" when the anchors are inadvertently. Sheesh.
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post #2446 of 4899
12/14/08 at 8:37am
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Originally Posted by exdelguy View Post

I noticed that KQIN-PBS 36.1, 2 and 3 has increased their power. I checked at noon and again tonight and their signal was just as high as all the others at the Orion, IL antenna farm. Can anyone else verify that? I live 28 miles from the transmitters.

KQIN-DT has increased power. I don't recall the particulars, but I believe it went from something like 6kW to 194kW. Don't quote me on that as I'm going from memory and haven't really paid that much attention to what's going on over there.
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post #2447 of 4899
12/14/08 at 8:46am
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heck - there are people here who know whazzup - more a question if they have seen this discussion, and if they have, are they allowed to disclose anything.

I know little more than what any one else here knows. Obviously there is some sort of audio on XX.99, on every IPTV station in the state. The question then becomes, what is it?

I'm told its a test of something, what that something is I was not told. I'm also told that NO consumer DTV receiver should be able to see it. I can see it on my LG TV, an Accurian portable TV, and several DTV converter boxes. I haven't tried it with my Hitachi, Vizio, or Dish Network boxes. Whatever it is certainly can be seen.

At this point I can only guess what it is that might be in testing, and will not disclose any of my guesses in a public forum, since they are only that, guesses.
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post #2448 of 4899
12/14/08 at 8:53am
No consumer boxes should see it? It's not in PSIP but it's very clearly a decodable audio stream on its own Program number. A number of stations transmit entirely without PSIP and those are received by the boxes, no reason why individual streams with usable content not listed in PSIP shouldn't be shown.

- Trip
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post #2449 of 4899
12/14/08 at 1:25pm
The QAM channel list for Mediacom in Cedar Rapids badly needs to be updated. Since it hasn't, here is my list of what I believe to be stable signals channels:

PBS HD 114.4
KCRG HD 115.2
FOX HD 115.4
KGAN HD 89.4
KWWL HD 114.1

KCRG News & Weather 115.6
KWWL News & Weather 114.2

CSPAN 111.256

CW 99.8
FOX28 99.4
KCRG 99.6
ION 99.2
KGAN 99.10
KWWL 99.12
IPTV 99.18

A third IPTV channel is supposed to be in the clear as well but I can't find it. Does anyone how if Mediacom transmit it? OTA it is on 12.2

Please make any corrections or additions and share, share, share!
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post #2450 of 4899
12/14/08 at 2:16pm
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

No consumer boxes should see it? It's not in PSIP but it's very clearly a decodable audio stream on its own Program number. A number of stations transmit entirely without PSIP and those are received by the boxes, no reason why individual streams with usable content not listed in PSIP shouldn't be shown.

I'm just passing on what I've been told about that particular stream. I agree that it does show up, I've seen it myself.
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post #2451 of 4899
12/14/08 at 9:26pm
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Originally Posted by Skip Wyona View Post

The QAM channel list for Mediacom in Cedar Rapids badly needs to be updated. Since it hasn't, here is my list of what I believe to be stable signals channels:

Only today did I realize I could get all these channels on my HDTV. I knew it had a QAM tuner, but I had never seen this QAM channel list and I couldn't figure out how to get the extra channels I had read about. I tried doing a channel auto-search a couple times, but it never found any digital channels. So, for the last four months I could have been watching a lot of shows in HD, but instead I was watching crappy standard def. I watched some football games this afternoon and the Survivor finale tonight in HD and it just blows SD away.
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post #2452 of 4899
12/15/08 at 8:17am
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Originally Posted by scrib38 View Post

Rail on KGAN all you like, for I do it all the time also, just usually not publically. I too have experienced the aggravating center channel disappearances, where you can hear lots of lovely traffic sounds and no dialog. While I do tend to watch more CBS dramas than the other channels, I've recorded/watched a bunch there as well, and have not once noticed the same problem--it seems exclusive to KGAN. Its "mastery" of the HD signal is woeful. I think it was during that same CSI:NY episode that someone else referenced that KGAN experienced a period where the signal must have switched from analog to HD something like 10 times in a single minute. Unwatchable.

When writers have technical quirks, readers' attention starts to drift toward the writing rather than the story. These writers get editors or get fired. When TV shows push viewers' attention to technical ineptitude rather than the story, it does not put the viewers in good moods to feel favorably to what they see on commercials. You'd think that would catch up with the station after awhile. Maybe it does, who knows?

Perhaps these problems will go away in February when there's only one signal going out, but if it doesn't, look out. February is sweeps, after all, and all of the networks will be putting up their ace new material. Personally, I'm looking forward to that "Very Special episode of the Channel 2 News" when the anchors are inadvertently. Sheesh.

I noticed the same thing during that CSI:NY episode Triangle. The first 15 min of the show you couldn't hear any dialouge just background noise. Then when the audio started working again it would flip between SD and HD for the picture too.

This is the first time I have noticed this with CBS (KGAN) since hooking up the new HD set. ABC (KCRG) looks horrible compared to KGAN and KWWL to me. It's like the brightness is dialed way down.
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post #2453 of 4899
12/16/08 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by scrib38 View Post

Perhaps these problems will go away in February when there's only one signal going out, but if it doesn't, look out. February is sweeps, after all, and all of the networks will be putting up their ace new material. Personally, I'm looking forward to that "Very Special episode of the Channel 2 News" when the anchors are inadvertently. Sheesh.

Hate to burst your bubble, but from what I've read, February sweeps have been moved to March due to the analog shutoff.
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post #2454 of 4899
12/16/08 at 7:04pm
More shows on KCRG in SD because they can't manage an HD crawl.

C'mon KCRG!!!!
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post #2455 of 4899
12/17/08 at 9:07am
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Originally Posted by tsduke View Post

More shows on KCRG in SD because they can't manage an HD crawl.

C'mon KCRG!!!!

Here's the response I got from KCRG GM to my email complaining about the SD primetime:


 We are in the final days of installing new equipment that will fix the problem you are referring to. We hope to have the equipment in place by the end of the week. We realize that from the viewers perspective that this must be an easy fix, but it is not that simple and one of many issues we face during the transition from analog to digital. We do believe that timely notice of closings and cancellations is more important than the format they are in.

 Regards,
 John Phelan
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post #2456 of 4899
12/17/08 at 3:19pm
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Originally Posted by hdtvincr View Post

We are in the final days of installing new equipment that will fix the problem you are referring to. We hope to have the equipment in place by the end of the week. We realize that from the viewers perspective that this must be an easy fix, but it is not that simple and one of many issues we face during the transition from analog to digital. We do believe that timely notice of closings and cancellations is more important than the format they are in.[/font][/i]

John Phelan

And thats why KCRG is losing market share. I own an HDTV. Chances are good, that if I am interested in seeing what is canceled, I can fire up my computer and check the website. And if, God forbid, that doesn't work, I can tune in to 9.2 which should be where cancellations are shown, full screen, a page at a time. I don't know anyone with an HDTV who could care less about MFL Mar-Mac being closed, or there being a snow emergency in Vinton. Sorry, but I think DirecTV is doing us a favor by not carrying KCRG to be honest.
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post #2457 of 4899
12/18/08 at 6:15am
anyone catch Jarret last nite? He was on, explaining DTV (again) in a fifteen minute infomercial that pre-empted KWWL news.

Was worth a watch, at least for the humor (Jarret was fine - from all appearances his IQ had to match or surpass the sum of all other talking heads that were shown.) Chris Carter told us everything he knew about DTV, and then he vamped for 14 and a half minutes.

Best part was the old guy with the new Samsung panel. He was "ready and waiting" for the transition to digital. They even had a touching shot of him leaning forward in the recliner, remote poised, ready to punch in the right digits to watch in HD, just as soon as February rolled around.

You would have thought someone would tip the poor guy off, let him know that the digital channels are ALREADY THERE!

I'm real glad that the folks in charge of on-air content aren't the same ones responsible for keeping the transmitter running.
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post #2458 of 4899
12/18/08 at 6:53am
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Originally Posted by sgarringer View Post

And thats why KCRG is losing market share. I own an HDTV. Chances are good, that if I am interested in seeing what is canceled, I can fire up my computer and check the website. And if, God forbid, that doesn't work, I can tune in to 9.2 which should be where cancellations are shown, full screen, a page at a time. I don't know anyone with an HDTV who could care less about MFL Mar-Mac being closed, or there being a snow emergency in Vinton. Sorry, but I think DirecTV is doing us a favor by not carrying KCRG to be honest.

"I can tune in to 9.2 which should be where cancellations are shown, full screen, a page at a time."
Best quote ever on the subject of drags for all channels.
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post #2459 of 4899
12/18/08 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by flyingvee View Post

anyone catch Jarret last nite? He was on, explaining DTV (again) in a fifteen minute infomercial that pre-empted KWWL news.

Was worth a watch, at least for the humor (Jarret was fine - from all appearances his IQ had to match or surpass the sum of all other talking heads that were shown.) Chris Carter told us everything he knew about DTV, and then he vamped for 14 and a half minutes.

Best part was the old guy with the new Samsung panel. He was "ready and waiting" for the transition to digital. They even had a touching shot of him leaning forward in the recliner, remote poised, ready to punch in the right digits to watch in HD, just as soon as February rolled around.

You would have thought someone would tip the poor guy off, let him know that the digital channels are ALREADY THERE!

I'm real glad that the folks in charge of on-air content aren't the same ones responsible for keeping the transmitter running.

I think I'm beginning to get the hang of this digital TV stuff... I'll give that guy in the recliner a call when when the magic begins

Last night, we got slammed again with phone calls. But the calls last night were different from the previous test, which focused more on antennas and reception. Most were from people who didn't understand that you actually had to connect the converter box for it to be ready to go! UGGGGHHHHH!

The best one was a gentleman pressing me for additional remote codes so that he could control his emerson TV through the STB remote. Evidently, the ten listed in the manual didn't work and he felt I was holding on the the actual codes that would work. I'm not even sure the emerson had a remote to begin with

It's going to be a fun 61 days!
-Jarrett
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post #2460 of 4899
12/18/08 at 10:38am
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Originally Posted by 4lids View Post

I think I'm beginning to get the hang of this digital TV stuff... I'll give that guy in the recliner a call when when the magic begins


It's going to be a fun 61 days!
-Jarrett



got that right. I actually had to send away for some coupons (and Chris also did folks a disservice, letting them think they'll be available until March, what with the rumors that the gov is almost out of them.) - I have 3 hd boxes that I'm not using; unfortunately, none of the danged things have an rf output so I can connect it to my ancient Zenith. Crap. I have a firewire Samsung stb box, and I'm going to have to score a poc Insignia welfare cheese box to keep using my tv.

and fwiw, Jarrett, my wife said you looked like the only one who was relaxed and had a clue.
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