Originally Posted by Jamie Hauser
1) How many people would be watching a movie at a time?
2) How big is the WAF?
The way your set up now, you could make it work but any speakers on the open side of the room would need some EQ help. If your preference is Multi-channel music, I would move the couch forward and lose the love seat. Put the TW3's a couple of feet behind it , 13-14 feet apart and point them at each other. You could also add a pair of OW-2 on the back wall. If your equipment allows it you could use the other pair of OW-2's for a "height channel". To bad your opposed to putting the TV in front of the window opposite of the fireplace, that's where I would put it.
As far as room correction goes, you could really use it with you room condition. Not all room condition software's are equal. I think that most people are happy with the Audyssey version the most, but when they can out with the MultEQ XT32 version is when I finally decided to upgrade my pre/pro. I'm very happy with it, especially when I'm listening to multi-channel as compared to stereo. If you were to invest in a new AVR or pre/pro, I would highly recommend holding out for the MultEQ XT32 version. Here's one other's person's thoughts that are similar to my experience.
Originally Posted by Mr. Bubbles
Like Jamie asked; what is the WAF. definitely a big part of the equation. My first thoughts would be to try this....
I think it would help open the room up some, sonically. Also like Jamie said some eq'ing will be of great benefit. I have never heard the TW7's and am unfamiliar with their bass but if I were to try a sub i would go through the standard placements tests by moving it around byt believe with a single sub I would tend to like placement beside the TV on the left hand side from the couch position, if you are unable to place it center of the TV. Most say that subs are non directional and much of their sound is, but I find i can personally hear their mid to upper registries and for HT (where it would be the most benefit) as close to the center of the screen as possible would be best. Similar to how Jamie has his set up.
Jamie/Bubbles thanks for your input and sorry for my delay in getting back to you - I was out of town with my wife. Trying to soften up the WAF (which I had never heard of until you guys were kind enough to enlighten me. It took some searching but Wikipedia helped me out as well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wife_acceptance_factor
So let me start by saying she is very easy to get along with. She's not a music nut like me but since I've gotten the 7's she hasn't had a need to watch Hoarders any more.
Yeah the 7 are a dream come true in many ways.
So with regard to the WAF I can get away with almost anything. The only caveat to that would be that the room is our family/living room/den. It's where we hang out the most in the house and where friends hang out when they come over. So I have to accommodate everyday functionality into my design - multi-level theater seating is not going to cut it. After winning and dining her for a long weekend I think I can even get away with putting the TV in front of the window that sits behind the loveseat. I'd probably have to custom build a lift cabinet for the TV so that it could be stowed away when not in use. So I guess the question that comes to mind is would that be better than running them than the way they currently are set up? If so how would you set it up?
With regard to watching a movie, max would be 5-6 people at a time.
Football games would be different as there could be 8-12 people hanging around, but honestly this would not be a priority to set up for. More than likely the furniture would be rearranged and the other couch/armchair would be dragged into the mix.
Regarding a pre/pro v AVR I'm leaning towards a pre/pro. I already have a pair Outlaw monoblocks which I am in love with and my thought all along was to get another pair for my 3's. Unless you guys can convince me otherwise I just can't imagine that an integrated receiver will compare with them. I was kinda hoping that the new Outlaw 975 pre/pro might be a good fit but from what you guys are saying room EQ works well with DCM's and would be of significant benefit. So it looks like a MultEQ XT32 pre/pro would be the way to go. Additionally, Jamie has intrigued me with the idea of using the OW-2's for height and rear channels - how much does that add to the sound? And are the OW-2 up to the task?
If I did use a pre/pro with the OW-2's for height and rears and the SS center I was thinking about trying to find a 5 channel 100 wpc amp to drive them. I figured that 200 wpc monoblocks would be over kill for them - maybe 100 wpc would be too?
Like anybody, budget is always a concern. But so is the cost/value proposition. So if you guys really feel that an AVR would be the way to go let me know. If going pre/pro costs $2,000 more than an AVR but only slightly improves the system that's one thing, but if it's a significantly or much better improvement that's another. I have not had the experience of comparing the two so I'm looking for guidance.
Bubbles, I appreciate your creativity. I never would have considered moving the TV and 7's over like you did and I can see how that might balance out the room in general. I'm concerned that the speakers would be a bit too far apart and the outboard sound might be too far from the listening area and mess with the sound stage/imaging. But I am intrigued and I'm going to move my right channel out like you have it and listen to it. I'll let you know what I find out.
As always thanks for your help!