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post #1 of 37
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Firingsquad has a nice preview of the upcoming 7900 series from Nvidia.

7900 GT for $300 that performs better than a 7800 GTX 256 at lower power and heat levels? Niiiice.

But the problem is that those of us still stuck with perfectly good, viable gaming rigs have no options right now. :( 7800GS? I suppose...if you had no other choice.

The only motherboard I know of that takes a socket 478 Intel chip AND has a PCI-E slot on it is the ASROCK, and I can't even find any place that sells it.....nor any idea if its anything other than a horrible chuck of shite ;)


Has anyone heard any rumblings about a 7900 AGP part anytime in the works?
My chip is plenty speedy, I don twant to have to upgrade in the short term....but if I could find that ASROCK, thats one option.
post #2 of 37
I just got an amazing deal on a 7800 AGP CO Superclock and I really couldn't be happier.

It's going to give me AT LEAST another good year, if not more, out of my present setup. Night and day difference from my Radeon 9800 XT. Honestly.

I personally would be surprised if nVidia bothers with anything past these.

Look them up and you'll see the benchmarks are awfully darned good.

mwave.com had the best price legit that I'd seen. I'd seriously consider it.

Google EVGA 256-A8-N508 and read the benchmarks and reviews.

I also splurged and upgraded my soundcard to an X-Fi platinum. I didn't go any higher because I didn't feel the X-ram was worth the extra expense.

Heck, it's like I have a whole new system now. :)
post #3 of 37
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I already have a 6800GT that posts some decent numbers. Yeah the 7800 GS is faster in some areas, but not as amazing in others.

MY real gripe is because the 7800GS is more than $300 bones in the SC variety you mention......well, when you see that 7800 GT's are signifncatly less than that.....and they will soundly trounce a 7800GS.....it doesn't seem like much of a bargain.

Still....is a $300 videocard cheaper than a $300 motherboard and videocard, I'd need a new chip.....thats $300 lets say......I'd have to swap some ram...

Suddenly I dunno if I'm getting a bargain or not....
post #4 of 37
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Originally Posted by HeadRusch
I already have a 6800GT that posts some decent numbers. Yeah the 7800 GS is faster in some areas, but not as amazing in others.

MY real gripe is because the 7800GS is more than $300 bones in the SC variety you mention......well, when you see that 7800 GT's are signifncatly less than that.....and they will soundly trounce a 7800GS.....it doesn't seem like much of a bargain.

Still....is a $300 videocard cheaper than a $300 motherboard and videocard, I'd need a new chip.....thats $300 lets say......I'd have to swap some ram...

Suddenly I dunno if I'm getting a bargain or not....

Speaking just for myself, here was my mindset:

I know that come June or so, AMD is going to be going through yet another complete architecture change, going from socket 939 to AM2.

Intel is doing their thing. Vista is forthcoming, etc. etc. Shake and stir.

Bottom line for me was: The entire hardware market is in such a wild state of flux right now. My present hardware is pretty darned good and stable. I didn't need to rock the boat when $300 could put me over the top for any modern day game coming out for the forseeable future.

In a year or so? Vista will probably be out, some things will have settled out, and then we'll see see what's what.

It's a good option for the fence sitter, or if you have a really nice AGP rig and you want to ride out this craziness and not have to reinvent the wheel.

I figured: I easily have at least another really good year of mileage left on my hardware. Why not put it over the top and give it the swan song it deserves? I want to have the best now, within reason. Why wait? Why pay for something I don't need? There's nothing wrong with my present motherboard, so why pay to replace it? You know what I mean?

In your case, your present video card is still somewhat better than the 9800 XT I was running with. For YOU...it may very well not be a worthy enough upgrade. For me, it's a night and day difference and the best close to $300 I could spend right now.

Now you watch: My motherboard will kick the bucket on me in a month or two. :rolleyes: :p
post #5 of 37
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Hehehehe..yeah thats the way it goes! :)

I get that upgrade itch..and then it settles out. My 6800GT is still doing me justice. IF it fails someday, then the 7800GS will probalby be my next upgrade until the chips out really start smoking.

Currently even my lowly overclocked intel does the job admirably. When more games take advantage of dual cores andwhatnot, then we'll see.

Now the other big decision...
1) Buy a Dell 24" Widescreen monitor?

2) Buy a 26" LCD TV for a gaming monitor? (lower overall resolution but has speakers and HDCP)

3) UPgrade my Optoma H31 to a 720p LCD projector :)

Or option 4)
Just walk away and breathe deeply for awhile :)
post #6 of 37
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Originally Posted by HeadRusch
Now the other big decision...
1) Buy a Dell 24" Widescreen monitor?
I'm so tempted to do this. $750 shipped from Dell after rebate?

Here's my problem: I have a Samsung 213T. Great LCD. 4:3. As much as I'd love to go WS, the sad fact we all know is: WS support is unacceptably lacking in PC games right now. I really don't want to get into hacking my games and all this other stuff.

If WS support becomes common as dirt, and they offer patches on present games to enable support, I may feel more strongly about making this upgrade.

I love widescreen, and even given my caveat...man, I'm tempted.


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2) Buy a 26" LCD TV for a gaming monitor? (lower overall resolution but has speakers and HDCP)
A consideration you have to make if you plan on getting Vista and doing any HDTV off of your PC.

At that rate, I'd tell you to wait as long as you can stand it. Wait until Vista is actually out and you know what you're dealing with.

This time will also allow for more displays to hit the market and prices to drop.


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3) UPgrade my Optoma H31 to a 720p LCD projector :)
Same as above.

Are you planning on taste testing either HD-DVD or BLu-Ray?

I'd save up and wait until you can go 1080p. You know you want it. ;)

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Or option 4)
Just walk away and breathe deeply for awhile :)
Always the best choice. :)
post #7 of 37
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Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ
I'm so tempted to do this. $750 shipped from Dell after rebate?
?? I only see the 799.20 with free shipping....didn't know there was a rebate...

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Here's my problem: I have a Samsung 213T. Great LCD. 4:3. As much as I'd love to go WS, the sad fact we all know is: WS support is unacceptably lacking in PC games right now. I really don't want to get into hacking my games and all this other stuff.
Well truth be told, unless you dig really deep into your games bin to pull out some moldy oldy, nearly all games support widescreen if you just hack a CFG file. Granted, some are trickier than others, but on my PC I stick mostly to FPS's and the odd strategy game,a nd the FPS's all are easily moved to widescreen.
Stretched HUDS? No bother to me at all.....of course, YMMV.

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If WS support becomes common as dirt, and they offer patches on present games to enable support, I may feel more strongly about making this upgrade.
...well...also remember that this monitor does NOT have HDCP...which may, or may not, someday mean something with VISTA.....but if its just for HD playback, I wont miss it.

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A consideration you have to make if you plan on getting Vista and doing any HDTV off of your PC.
Absolutely not.

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Are you planning on taste testing either HD-DVD or BLu-Ray?
My thinking mans brain says no...

My inner 12 year old says I'm buying the cheapest player right away so I can watch DUNE at 1080i. :)

Honestly, no, I wont be embracing HD until the players are in the few-hundred range, and the movies are on sale in the $15 at launch at BB range...and even then it'll be a tough call since, frankly, DVD still looks great at 106" inches.

Blu-Ray I'll get with my PS3 but I dont plan on having my PS3 hooked to a projector, so thats something to consider.....and god knows when THAT will be anyhow...

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I'd save up and wait until you can go 1080p. You know you want it. ;)
In the pricerange I shop that is years away......1080p is nice, but not so nice that a 720p display would look inferior, IMHO.





Always the best choice. :)[/quote]
post #8 of 37
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Originally Posted by HeadRusch
?? I only see the 799.20 with free shipping....didn't know there was a rebate...
It was going on last week. Not sure about now. Those things come and go...


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Well truth be told, unless you dig really deep into your games bin to pull out some moldy oldy, nearly all games support widescreen if you just hack a CFG file. Granted, some are trickier than others, but on my PC I stick mostly to FPS's and the odd strategy game,a nd the FPS's all are easily moved to widescreen.
Stretched HUDS? No bother to me at all.....of course, YMMV.
I'm tempted. Believe me. I might consider it if I knew I could sell my Samsung 213T for a decent price.


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...well...also remember that this monitor does NOT have HDCP...which may, or may not, someday mean something with VISTA.....but if its just for HD playback, I wont miss it.
Agreed. It shouldn't matter for "normal" PC use.


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Absolutely not.



My thinking mans brain says no...

My inner 12 year old says I'm buying the cheapest player right away so I can watch DUNE at 1080i. :)

Honestly, no, I wont be embracing HD until the players are in the few-hundred range, and the movies are on sale in the $15 at launch at BB range...and even then it'll be a tough call since, frankly, DVD still looks great at 106" inches.

Blu-Ray I'll get with my PS3 but I dont plan on having my PS3 hooked to a projector, so thats something to consider.....and god knows when THAT will be anyhow...



In the pricerange I shop that is years away......1080p is nice, but not so nice that a 720p display would look inferior, IMHO.
Pretty much on the same wavelength. :)

You can yourself a pretty killer 720p FP. Some of those three chip DLP FP's are unbelievable now, especially with the "dark chip" and so forth.
post #9 of 37
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Yeah my big bitch is that I want to use the thing for a PS2 and perhaps some other system, but then I'd need to find a SOUND solution. I have some spare PC speakers here...but ya know, its a little PITA like this that monkeys up the works.

Also the soundbar for the monitors sucks @ss.....meaning thats not really an option either.

And...I'd have to scale every game, since no way am I running 1920x1200 without major slowdown....

Thats the only thing that makes a TV more attractive. 1366x768 is very nicely high-rez with AA and AF applied......and doable with my equipment today. Its just windows at that rez that makes one go "Hmmmm".
post #10 of 37
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Originally Posted by HeadRusch
Yeah my big bitch is that I want to use the thing for a PS2 and perhaps some other system, but then I'd need to find a SOUND solution. I have some spare PC speakers here...but ya know, its a little PITA like this that monkeys up the works.
This would probably send this thread into the general HT area or something like that, but I guess a lot of this would have to depend on your overall budget.

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Also the soundbar for the monitors sucks @ss.....meaning thats not really an option either.
Indeed.


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And...I'd have to scale every game, since no way am I running 1920x1200 without major slowdown....

Thats the only thing that makes a TV more attractive. 1366x768 is very nicely high-rez with AA and AF applied......and doable with my equipment today. Its just windows at that rez that makes one go "Hmmmm".
Eh, Windows won't look that bad at that rez. It's a very small price to pay if the display covers every single other base for you.

If I'm reading you right, you seem to have a preference for LCD.

If you're sticking with front projection, and you want 720p, I reall would encourage you to also give DLP a very serious look as well.
post #11 of 37
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I did windows at 1280x720 with my monitor last week when I had the Westinghouse 27" from BestBuy. Didn't like the Contrast Ratio, so back it had to go.

1280x720 was...workable, but there were some anomalies......I was giving my scroll-wheel a real workout (remember when mice didn't have em? MY GOD I go looking for one now on someone else's pc and if its not there I feel like I'm dealing with Fred and Wilma Flintstone)
.........

ON the other hand, it was...how do I say this..."Frickin Huge". PC games took on a whole new dimension at that size. Performance at 1280x720 was good in nearly all cases. I force 2XQuicunex AA from my Nvidia and that handles rudimentary AA just fine.......4x AF is all I need to really "notice" AF at work..any more is almost supurfluous to me....

I am like freakin Charlie Brown when it comes to this stuff...one day I list to port, the other day to starboard ;) TV...versus Dell Monitor....versus TV.....versus Monitor....Versus...
post #12 of 37
I *highly* doubt you will see 7900 in AGP, the 7800GS was probably the last nVidia AGP card. Of course if AGP continues selling well, maybe nVidia will have to- I dunno. I do know that they don't want to make anymore due to costs and available resources. In their eyes, PCI-e is the future.

The reviews for 7900GTX 512 are starting to come out, and they look excellent so far. I just bought one (before the price gouging begins) and I'm getting rid of a bunch of other hardware in order to pay for it...

I think it's against the rules to post that kinda stuff, but feel free to PM me for more info on where I got it.
post #13 of 37
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I dunno, you know why I say that? Because EVGA hinted at an "even faster AGP part" than the 7800 GS SuperClock in the future.

I admit, it would be AWFULLY SOON for a 7900 GS part tohit, but what about a 7900 GT for the AGP Port?

I mean, think about it:

The 6800GT is history.....the only real option for AGP's at this point is the 6800GS and just until recently, the 7800 GS......if we were to get a 7900 GS that cost in the $350 range, but had performance akin to..say..an old 7800GT...that would sell a TON of AGP boards.

Most people haven't run to the 7800GS simply because its not much more than a 6800GT...in extreme cases its faster, sure, but not by a huge, wide margin. The superclock, further overclock, puts the most distance between it and a 6800GT however.

I dunno, maybe I'm waxing fantastic......the 7900 boards look like real smokers too.

But I just can't see going to a PCI-E part yet simply because my 3.6Ghz Northwood has got plenty of life left in it, if FEAR and Q4 and the like are any litmus test to judge against...

*sigh*
post #14 of 37
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Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ
Here's my problem: I have a Samsung 213T. Great LCD. 4:3. As much as I'd love to go WS, the sad fact we all know is: WS support is unacceptably lacking in PC games right now. I really don't want to get into hacking my games and all this other stuff.

IMO there are still plenty of PC games that can go WS now and for those that don't just stretch it, computer gfx don't look as distorted as stretching a 4:3 movie to 16:9. I'd still go for it. I'm looking a 20" WS for $300 range using 1600x1050 or whatever that rez is, that is a good native resolution imo, not to high to bog my games down, not to low for jaggies etc. That 24" sounds nice though.
post #15 of 37
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Have you ever seen a 20" Widescreen? Its pretty damn small......once I saw one in the flesh at BB I was shocked they even made them. I mean, it looked *TINY* next to 4:3 19" LCD's, and we all pretty much thing THOSE are small these days :)
post #16 of 37
Yeah, the deal is I'm 18" from the screen and my desk isn't very large. My current is a 19" 4:3 and is plenty big, my laptop is a 15" WS 1600x1050 and that isn't all bad. Hey I pack 100" on the front projector HTPC, I got your size! :)
post #17 of 37
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Hmmm..18" is..PERFECT for a 24" Widescreen :D

Hey, I pack 106" on the projector...so I believe your 100" qualifies as beingPWN3D!


:D

I kid, I kid....."those 6 inches totally kick your @ss" :P
post #18 of 37
I'd probably go for the 24 inch WS when the time comes.




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Originally Posted by HeadRusch
I dunno, you know why I say that? Because EVGA hinted at an "even faster AGP part" than the 7800 GS SuperClock in the future.
It's not inconceivable, although I do agree with the good doctor that I wouldn't want to place any bets at this point on probability.

Interestingly enough, EVGA has this 90 day policy where I can upgrade my card and simply pay the difference.

If a 7900 AGP option comes out, I'd have to see if it really offers anything very substantial over the 7800 Superclock I'm using right now, otherwise, in any event...I'm pretty happy! :)
post #19 of 37
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Originally Posted by HeadRusch
Hmmm..18" is..PERFECT for a 24" Widescreen :D

Hey, I pack 106" on the projector...so I believe your 100" qualifies as beingPWN3D!


:D

I kid, I kid....."those 6 inches totally kick your @ss" :P
I just adjusted my zoom. 108" biotch! :)
post #20 of 37
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Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ
Interestingly enough, EVGA has this 90 day policy where I can upgrade my card and simply pay the difference.
Oh crap! I'm heading over now to see when I got my 7800GT, will be close. Definately would pay dif. for 7900GT.

Nope 10/24, time flies.
post #21 of 37
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Originally Posted by HorrorScope
I just adjusted my zoom. 108" biotch! :)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
:eek:
post #22 of 37
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Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ

Interestingly enough, EVGA has this 90 day policy where I can upgrade my card and simply pay the difference.
The eVGA "step up program" is pretty cool. Where those traded in video cards end up, who knows...? :)
post #23 of 37
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The eVGA "step up program" is pretty cool. Where those traded in video cards end up, who knows...? :)
I was wondering the same thing!
post #24 of 37
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Originally Posted by HeadRusch

Most people haven't run to the 7800GS simply because its not much more than a 6800GT...in extreme cases its faster, sure, but not by a huge, wide margin. The superclock, further overclock, puts the most distance between it and a 6800GT however.
Thanks to Oblivion, I am in the middle of a debate over whether it is worth it to upgrade from my current 6800GT to a 7800GS. I won't be doing a full-blown computer upgrade until sometime next winter, so a vid card upgrade is about the only thing I have to tide me over until then.

I guess I just haven't been able to find enough 6800GT v 7800GS talk to see if it would be a noticeable difference in Oblivion. The $300 is not an object if there is a noticeable difference (even if not huge, which I doubt it would be) in Oblivion.

Decisions, decisions ...
post #25 of 37
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According to every website I've read.....you gain 10-20fps, maximum, per game moving from a 6800GT to a 7800GS, and thats if you go with the high-end superclocked one.

To me, its only worth it if your framerates are down in the 20's on your 6800...
post #26 of 37
Thanks for the feedback, HeadRusch.

I tend to sacrifice framerate for visual quality in games like Oblivion, which means outdoors I hit 20fps max with my current settings. So, it sounds like the SC version may get me up to aorund 30fps, and may be worth it. Hmmm.
post #27 of 37
Hmmm, after a little more research, it looks like if I am willing to spend $100 more, I can just go ahead and get a Pci-E mobo + 7900GT, which I would think should give a decent performance/quality increase over my 6800GT. Seems like the extra $100 could be well worth it in terms of Oblivion. Curse you Oblivion, making upgrades so tempting :cool:
post #28 of 37
If your processor fits then that's what I'd do. I've been wanting to upgrade as well but my cpu won't fit in any PCI-E boards, and at 3.4ghz I'm not quite ready to retire it yet!
post #29 of 37
Fortunately it does, I currently have a Socket 939 processor. Basically, when I built my last PC, it was just before PCI-E boards started to hit the market. I would have liked to have waited, but circumstances (old PC go boom) forced a bit of an early upgrade.

Well, I think I shall go ahead with the new mobo/7900GT combo ... for $400, it seems like a nice upgrade to last me for the next 9+ months :)
post #30 of 37
I have plenty of life left in my AGP system, so I couldn't be more thrilled with my evga Geforece 7800 GS Superclock. I have it overclocked to about 480Mhz and 1.45 GHz and I really don't know how much more I could want. Oblivion is running great! :)
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