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post #511 of 6264
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post #512 of 6264
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Originally Posted by Jediphish View Post

Has anyone used the 880 or 890 with more than one Pioneer component where you've enabled the SR+ feature offered by Pioneer (which allows you to point your IR remote at the IR sensor on one component but control other Pioneer components). I am setting up a new system, with a Pioneer Elite Plasma at the center. The Plasma will be the only component of the system in line-of-site. Everything else will be hidden in a cabinet (Pioneer Elite receiver, Oppo DVD, DirecTV HR10-250.

I'm sure I can probably get away without connecting the Pioneer components with the SR+ cable (isn't that the point of a universal remote), but I'm wondering if utilizing SR+ would offer any performance improvement with respect to things like the various delays that people tweak. One feature that SR+ provides is that you see the volume of the speaker on the TV display (for any input - not just the input that the receiver is connected to (not that I will not be using the receiver for video switching)).

Thanks!!

I have a Pioneer 1120 Elite Plasma hooked up to a Pio VSX-1015TX receiver via SR+ and have no problem controlling everything with the 880.

To your original question though, I don't know if there is any performance improvement over not using the SR+. I like being able to see the receiver volume change and the selected sound field on the plasma, so I left it all connected.
post #513 of 6264
Thanks Nuzy - that makes me feel a little better. I won't get everything set up for about a month when we move into our new home, but I'm trying to get it all planned out now. Like you, I want to be able to see the reciver's volume control displayed on the monitor as well as the listening settings.

On the other hand, I've noticed that if SR+ is enabled, you supposedly cannot control the receiver if the monitor is OFF, which might pose a problem. I would like to be able to control the receiver using the Harmony even when the Plasma is turned OFF. Have you been able to do this with the 880, or do you always have the TV on, say, even when you're just listening to a CD or the FM radio?
post #514 of 6264
This problem must exist on other devices too, so if anyone has a solution, I'd love to hear it....I have a Crystalio II video processor and a Harmony 890. I'm having a real problem switching sources on the C-II. The C-II remote has discrete codes for switching between some, but not all, inputs. The two inputs I use the most do not have discrete codes on the C-II remote. The way that I would normally switch between them would be to hit "input" and then scroll either up or down to the proper input (they are adjacent in the on-screen list, so it's either one up or one down, depending).

With the Harmony, I can set it up to bring up the on-screen scroll list. The problem is that I can only choose one direction for it to "scroll." In other words, if I'm on the second input, Harmony doesn't seem to allow me to pick the "up" command as its next; it will only do "down" for changing inputs, period, regardless of where it is in the scroll list. This is trouble for me because there are fourteen different inputs on this list, and even if I could get the Harmony to correctly scroll through all of them (which I can't), it would take forever.

This brings me to a little rant: I hate how the "custom" buttons on Harmony can't be hard wired to existing hard buttons. For example, if I want to add the discrete from my C-II for the "down" command, why can't I map it to the rocker on the remote? Why does it have to be a soft key? If this is possible and I just haven't figured it out yet, someone please correct me, I'd love to be wrong!

Thanks.
post #515 of 6264
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Originally Posted by stlblufan View Post

I hate how the "custom" buttons on Harmony can't be hard wired to existing hard buttons. For example, if I want to add the discrete from my C-II for the "down" command, why can't I map it to the rocker on the remote? Why does it have to be a soft key? If this is possible and I just haven't figured it out yet, someone please correct me, I'd love to be wrong!

- You can map "custom" buttons to any button you want (except Device, Activity, etc.). A lot of people miss the learned commands because they appear at the very end of the list of commands. Learned commands aren't sorted with the default commands.
post #516 of 6264
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Originally Posted by tokerblue View Post

- You can map "custom" buttons to any button you want (except Device, Activity, etc.). A lot of people miss the learned commands because they appear at the very end of the list of commands. Learned commands aren't sorted with the default commands.

Where in the software is this function? In the "Learn Infrared Commands" section -- even under "Custom" -- I don't see any way to add commands to hard buttons.

Another dumb Harmony question. Say I add a device that doesn't show up in the Harmony database, so I have to learn all of the codes, etc. Does my stuff end up in the Harmony database? What if the manufacturer later adds more discrete codes to the Harmony database than I could (i.e., stuff not on the original remote) (maybe this never happens)? Does the software recognize that the Harmony database has updated commands for the device, or would I have to remove the device and re-add it to get this stuff?
post #517 of 6264
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Originally Posted by stlblufan View Post

Where in the software is this function? In the "Learn Infrared Commands" section -- even under "Custom" -- I don't see any way to add commands to hard buttons.

- Go into the Device or Activity and look at the button layout. Click on the button you want to map to look at the drop down menu. Scroll all the way to the bottom of the drop down menu. All learned commands should be in the list.
post #518 of 6264
You can also make your own "semi-discrete" commands by sending the discrete for the closest input in the list, followed by the correct number of UP or DOWN commands to get to the input you need.

Under "Adjust inputs" select "I go directly to the input I want", then "I send more commands" for the inputs in question.
post #519 of 6264
I see many posts that say you cannot control the order of device commands in an activity (you page through many pages to get to the command you want in an activity). Well, you can but not easy! Here is how. Make up an activity without the device you want to appear *last* in your activity command pages. Add the device you want to appear last in your activity command pages after the activity is created and 'saved'. The added device will show as 'passthrough' at the top of the 'change buttons' page, but the commands will appear as the last page on your remote activity screen. PROBLEMS with this: (1) if you change the custom commands listed in your passthrough device, the changes appear in every other instance of that device in your setup. This can also be worked around; create new device, same as the passthrough device. You can rename it "dummy (device)" to prevent confusion. Add this 'Dummy' in as your passthrough device in your activity and you can put any custom commands you want. If you use the 'Dummy' device again, the same commands appear if you put it in another activity. (2) There are limitations as to what devices you can put in and get a particular icon to appear on your launch activitys screen, so you may end up with a generic icon for the activity you create. Also, there are limits as to how many total devices you can create, BUT there can be duplicates of a device to change the order in an activity or change the custom commands between activitys using the same device. You can also put in more than on copy of the same device in an activity and get a limited type of macro across several creations of the same device in a single activity (Dummy 1, Dummy 2). You must be careful to set the 'Dummy' to always on, no input selection, etc, to keep it from messing up your setup, but it does work! I know this is clear as mud but no easy way to explain this! I hope this helps and does not create to many problems. I have been able (with a great deal of work) to get my remote to work well and the commands to appear in the order I want in each activity, and different commands for the same device in different activitys. Good luck, you will need it. It gets confusing!
post #520 of 6264
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Originally Posted by Jediphish View Post

Thanks Nuzy - that makes me feel a little better. I won't get everything set up for about a month when we move into our new home, but I'm trying to get it all planned out now. Like you, I want to be able to see the reciver's volume control displayed on the monitor as well as the listening settings.

On the other hand, I've noticed that if SR+ is enabled, you supposedly cannot control the receiver if the monitor is OFF, which might pose a problem. I would like to be able to control the receiver using the Harmony even when the Plasma is turned OFF. Have you been able to do this with the 880, or do you always have the TV on, say, even when you're just listening to a CD or the FM radio?

Jediphish - I just used the "Listen to Jukebox" activity to listen to a CD on my Pioneer CD Filer and I could control everything without the Plasma being on. Same thing for the "Listen to Tuner" activity - plasma does not need to be on.

Nuzy
post #521 of 6264
I see and have this question (FAQ): How do I access my favourite channels? "To setup Favourite channels on the website: Click setup TV content next to the activity, on your Harmony home page...."

I don't see a "setup TV Content" button on my home page. I see setup favorite channels on one activity (Watch TV), which I have done. But I want to add favorite channels to another activity and can't seem to find how/where that function is added. I want to add it to Listen to Music activity with STB and AVR on.
post #522 of 6264
Hi all. I did some searches of the site but didn't see this covered; apologies if it has been.

I set up some favorite channels on my Harmony 880. I have 4 activities that watch TV. Is there a way to use my favorite channels for more than one activity, or do I have to manually enter them all in for all 4 activites?

Thanks!

Carl
post #523 of 6264
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Originally Posted by Nuzy View Post

Jediphish - I just used the "Listen to Jukebox" activity to listen to a CD on my Pioneer CD Filer and I could control everything without the Plasma being on. Same thing for the "Listen to Tuner" activity - plasma does not need to be on.

Nuzy


Nuzy,
That makes me even happier. It sounds like I should get the best of both worlds with the 890 I'll be using, and with the SR+ functionality turned on.

I'm just curious - how many Pioneer components do you have connected this way? Were you able to program the 880 to do everything you needed for all of them.
post #524 of 6264
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Originally Posted by Four-Eyes View Post

I have been able (with a great deal of work) to get my remote to work well and the commands to appear in the order I want in each activity, and different commands for the same device in different activitys. Good luck, you will need it. It gets confusing!

I have been thinking about doing something similar, however; I'm just too lazy right now to mess around with this. This really is something Logitech should have included. I understand some people might like to order the menus the way Logitech forces, but I really think it should be up to the user.

I'd suggest that anyone who wants a little more control over their Harmony to write tech support and ask for this to be passed on to the developers.
post #525 of 6264
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Originally Posted by czzer View Post

You can also make your own "semi-discrete" commands by sending the discrete for the closest input in the list, followed by the correct number of UP or DOWN commands to get to the input you need.

Under "Adjust inputs" select "I go directly to the input I want", then "I send more commands" for the inputs in question.

This is true. I was having an issue (since resolved) where some of my inputs had discrete codes, but they were not inthe Harmony database. Customer service created this work around for me. The TV went to the next closest input and then scrolled up one input to reach the correct one.
post #526 of 6264
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Originally Posted by visualcnc View Post

I see and have this question (FAQ): How do I access my favourite channels? "To setup Favourite channels on the website: Click setup TV content next to the activity, on your Harmony home page...."

I don't see a "setup TV Content" button on my home page. I see setup favorite channels on one activity (Watch TV), which I have done. But I want to add favorite channels to another activity and can't seem to find how/where that function is added. I want to add it to Listen to Music activity with STB and AVR on.

I created an activity called "listen to cable music". Only the STB and the AVR are powered on. I listed the music channels and I can call them up using the Media button. When I press it, I can view 16 different music channels on the screen (2 screens of 8 each). To make it easier, instead of numbers I uploaded pictures. I did a google image search on different genres of music, like 70's, dance, holiday, hip-hop, etc. I saved these little pics to my computer and then uploaded them to the appropriate channel. So on the screen, if I want to listen to rock, I press the button next to the "rock" pic, etc. I was able to find an appropriate image for each type of music. I used a small Christmas tree for the "sounds of the season" channel, as we like to have Christmas music in the house sometimes at Christmas. Works like a charm and really easy to select now. Those channels numbers are useless unless you happen to have them memorized or the TV is on.
post #527 of 6264
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Originally Posted by Jediphish View Post

Nuzy,
That makes me even happier. It sounds like I should get the best of both worlds with the 890 I'll be using, and with the SR+ functionality turned on.

I'm just curious - how many Pioneer components do you have connected this way? Were you able to program the 880 to do everything you needed for all of them.

I only have the 1120 and 1015TX connected with SR+. I have a Pio CD Filer, but it's not connected via SR. I also have a Panasonic S77 DVD player, Sony VHS player, and an older Hughes GAEBO SD Satellite box. So far, the Harmony has done everything I have needed it to do. I'm still tweaking the LCD buttons with regard to having the more commonly used ones first and making sure I have all of the ones I think I'll need up there. Overall, it's worked out very well. One button to turn everything on and off is so convenient! Even if I need a function that isn't in an activity, it's easy enough to switch over to device mode and find it there. Some of the Harmony device button names don't match up one for one with the buttons on the original remote, but so far it's been relatively easy to figure out which terminology does what.
post #528 of 6264
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Originally Posted by joe221 View Post

My "Off" button has stoped working! I just updated my remote this morning and just tried to turn off my TV. It may have something to do with the updated software! It's no longer an isolated problem, I'm confirmation.
Will others do an update using the new software and test this out!

I called tech support and was walked through a firmware flash in Harmony Safe Mode. This seems to have done the trick. Functionality was restored!
post #529 of 6264
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Originally Posted by visualcnc View Post

I see and have this question (FAQ): How do I access my favourite channels? "To setup Favourite channels on the website: Click setup TV content next to the activity, on your Harmony home page...."

I don't see a "setup TV Content" button on my home page. I see setup favorite channels on one activity (Watch TV), which I have done. But I want to add favorite channels to another activity and can't seem to find how/where that function is added. I want to add it to Listen to Music activity with STB and AVR on.

OK, I found my answer. Only certain activities will give you the "setup favorite channels" option. Watch TV, Listen to Satellite Music, and Record Video are three I know do. So I used Listen to Satellite, and changed the name to STB Music. Then was able to set favorite music stations, very cool, thanks Tarheel72.

One thing I find very frustrating, is any activity that uses the AVR, all custom buttons show up for every activity with it, and if you change the order in one activity, they all change to the same order. I know there's convoluted ways around this, but seems the software should do what you change in each activity.
post #530 of 6264
Create a second AVR device to use in the new activity and place the custom buttons you want in that one; then it will not change the first AVR. Not to bad to do...
post #531 of 6264
Anyone know if Harmony is planning a software revision yet that makes connection easier form a PC. As of know, I still go through the web interface even though Harmony says that the software on your computer gives you more features. I just kept having lock-ups with current version which was very frustrating.
post #532 of 6264
Is the media key programable? I cannot find it in any activity as programable? Anyone else?

Thanks,
Larry
post #533 of 6264
The media key goes to favorite channels (at least that's all I've figured out). You program an activity that has the option "setup favorite channels" by it, and you can use it to program STB stations (and icons) in Watch TV mode, or STB Music (and icons) in Listen to Music mode.
post #534 of 6264
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Originally Posted by visualcnc View Post

The media key goes to favorite channels (at least that's all I've figured out). You program an activity that has the option "setup favorite channels" by it, and you can use it to program STB stations (and icons) in Watch TV mode, or STB Music (and icons) in Listen to Music mode.


That is correct. JThree has created many icons for the Harmony. They can be downloaded here: http://squareworld.com/harmony/

... you can also use the Media button to list your library if you have a CD or DVD jukebox.
post #535 of 6264
I have a harmony 880 remote and I have a question about my DVD activity I setup. My Panny 47x54 RPTV has 3 picture modes Standard, Vivid and Cinema, I was wondering if I can customize my DVD activity to always switch to Cinema mode when I watch a DVD.


Rob
post #536 of 6264
I'm having a heck of time getting the 880 to switch to correct inputs on my TV (42PX60U). I have only 3 active (TV, DVD-comp1, and STB-HDMI). I have a "Watch DVD" activity, that needs to switch this to DVD, it's all set up correctly, but TV ends up on "TV". I also have it set to go back to HDMI when I turn it off, and it doesn't do that either.

There's 2 ways to "get there" with the TV remote. Hit the TvVideo button 2 or 3 times, OR hit it once, and use the up and down keys and hit select. I've tried both ways, no luck. Probably has something to do with STB (SA-8300) with "HDMI control" (yet the STB is not on for DVD watching). May be a problem with "repeats", default is "3", I tried "1" and gave me Power on problems, so I went to "2". That may screw up the TvVideo number of presses to get to the right input...

Anyone using HDMI with a PX60U plasma and able to get input switching to work on anything other than "Watch TV"? I have TvVideo buttons on every screen, so not a big issue (as long as I'm the one "in control"). You can really do a lot with this thing once you find your way deep into the setup screens... but once you do, it seems to be pot luck if everything works correctly.
post #537 of 6264
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Originally Posted by visualcnc View Post

I'm having a heck of time getting the 880 to switch to correct inputs on my TV (42PX60U). I have only 3 active (TV, DVD-comp1, and STB-HDMI). I have a "Watch DVD" activity, that needs to switch this to DVD, it's all set up correctly, but TV ends up on "TV". I also have it set to go back to HDMI when I turn it off, and it doesn't do that either.

There's 2 ways to "get there" with the TV remote. Hit the TvVideo button 2 or 3 times, OR hit it once, and use the up and down keys and hit select. I've tried both ways, no luck. Probably has something to do with STB (SA-8300) with "HDMI control" (yet the STB is not on for DVD watching). May be a problem with "repeats", default is "3", I tried "1" and gave me Power on problems, so I went to "2". That may screw up the TvVideo number of presses to get to the right input...

Anyone using HDMI with a PX60U plasma and able to get input switching to work on anything other than "Watch TV"? I have TvVideo buttons on every screen, so not a big issue (as long as I'm the one "in control"). You can really do a lot with this thing once you find your way deep into the setup screens... but once you do, it seems to be pot luck if everything works correctly.

Your best bet is to call Logitech and have them program this functionality for you. I did and it works like a charm now.
post #538 of 6264
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Originally Posted by visualcnc View Post

The media key goes to favorite channels (at least that's all I've figured out). You program an activity that has the option "setup favorite channels" by it, and you can use it to program STB stations (and icons) in Watch TV mode, or STB Music (and icons) in Listen to Music mode.

I don't think this has been posted b4 (I read the whole thread and didn't see it).
This site has logos for almost every TV station in the world:

http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/tv/k.html
post #539 of 6264
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Originally Posted by rob316 View Post

I have a harmony 880 remote and I have a question about my DVD activity I setup. My Panny 47x54 RPTV has 3 picture modes Standard, Vivid and Cinema, I was wondering if I can customize my DVD activity to always switch to Cinema mode when I watch a DVD.


Rob

Yes you can, if you always watch regular TV in one mode and DVD in Cinema, or if your TV has discrete codes to go to each mode directly.
post #540 of 6264
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Originally Posted by fatalsync View Post

Yes you can, if you always watch regular TV in one mode and DVD in Cinema, or if your TV has discrete codes to go to each mode directly.


How can I set this up???????????????


Rob
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