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post #61 of 9252
Well, I took back my w1 the other day since it was the last day I could return it. That was before we got these definite confirmations, so it's a major relief.

Now if only Best Buy Canada or FutureShop would get back with info on when they'll start stocking Westys. I don't want to have to trek to Buffalo again and pay all the extra tax and duty.
post #62 of 9252
Well, if anyone goes into BB, make sure and have them search the inventory for one of these. Hopefully, at some point, we'll see them show up, like the 42" did.
post #63 of 9252
2 emails from yesterday morning.


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Thank you for your inquiry.

Yes, the 2 DVI and HDMI inputs on the LVM-37w3 all support a 1920 x 1080
resolution.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to let us know.



Westinghouse Digital Support Staff

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Do the 2 DVI and HDMI inputs ALL have a 1920 x 1080 resolution? Thanks?

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Thank you for your inquiry.

We do not yet have a release date, but you can pre-order one


If you have any further questions, please feel free to let us know.


Westinghouse Digital Support Staff

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Great! Could you kindly provide me a release date and a MSRP? Thanks!

I was hoping for a specific release date too. I don't think I can take temporarily going back to using my 17" CRT.
post #64 of 9252
Thread Starter 
Toebee, no links to specific items on store websites and no specific non-MSRP prices are allowed in this forum. See here.

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BTW, no LVM-37w3 at the Best Buy USA or Westinghouse Digital websites just yet. Come on guys, hurry up!
post #65 of 9252
Well i have a question for anyone who knows. I notice some sets have a 8ms response time and this 37w3 has 12ms. Would i be able to tell the difference? I seem to remember reading somewhere the human eye cant notice anything below 20 something? Is this true? Let me know. Also i have kids, so how would you clean the screen if it got finger prints all over it?
post #66 of 9252
I had a Syntax LT32HVE that had an 8ms response time. I was a bit reluctant to move to a panel that had a slower response, ie the LVM37w1, but I liked the 1080p aspect and the better connectivity and features,so I went for it. I had both of them in my living room for 2 weeks during the Olympics. I couldn't see any major difference in response time, ghosting, pixelization, etc. So, in this case, I don't think it's a problem.
Bear in mind that manufacturers have different methods of determining response times, some measure it from black to white to black, and others from grey to white to grey, because that's what the real world application is, so they say. Obviously grey to grey is going to be faster, so check the specs closely and try and demo it yourself first using fast moving, high contrast scenes to see if there is ghosting. Explosions in dark scenes are good indicators if the processor can keep up with the actual image. If you see pixelization, the response time is too slow. At least that's my understanding.

As far as cleaning, don't use Windex or ammonia or alcohol base cleaners. A damp soft cloth is probably adequate, and there are commercially available LCD screen cleaners available at most electronics stores. '
post #67 of 9252
hey thanks for the input. I dont know much about LCDs since i have had crt tubes my whole life. Thanks
post #68 of 9252
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Originally Posted by stucandu View Post

Bear in mind that manufacturers have different methods of determining response times, some measure it from black to white to black, and others from grey to white to grey, because that's what the real world application is, so they say. Obviously grey to grey is going to be faster, so check the specs closely and try and demo it yourself first using fast moving, high contrast scenes to see if there is ghosting. Explosions in dark scenes are good indicators if the processor can keep up with the actual image. If you see pixelization, the response time is too slow. At least that's my understanding.

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It is not always the case that grey to grey is faster than black to black. When you're switching pixel on and off (black to black), you can use full voltage, high voltage makes the pixel switch faster. Switching grey to grey, you can't use full voltage therefore the switching is slower. The work around it is to drive the pixel at full voltage for very short time, to get it going and then lower the voltage to proper level before it goes too far. This overdriving speeds up gray to gray response in newer panels even if black to black is pretty much the same as in older designs. Pixelization is caused much more often by low data rate in fast changing scene and it would be less visible in lower resolution sets. If you're looking for sign of slow response time, look for ghosting of moving objects. For me around 16 ms response time is the magic number. Above 16 ms I begin to see ghosting, bellow that I don't. YMMV.
post #69 of 9252
what about brightness? I notice the new westy is 500nm? and the syntax is 800nm. Does that have to do with how well it works in a lighted room?
post #70 of 9252
Thread Starter 
The 42" LVM-42w2 is now showing at Best Buy, but I still don't see the 37" LVM-37w3. Once the 37" showing there, maybe I'll consider driving down to Amherst, NY and pick one up. Or maybe I'll just get that 42".

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Originally Posted by motorhead7319 View Post

what about brightness? I notice the new westy is 500nm? and the syntax is 800nm. Does that have to do with how well it works in a lighted room?

The brightness is listed at 550 cd/m2 for the previous model LVM-37w1. JR says the new LVM-37w3 is the same (as would be expected since they likely use the same LCD panel). I don't know how comparable it is, but my iMac is listed at 500 cd/m2, and it's far too bright even with the lights on. I turn the backlighting on the thing way, way down.

I don't see any listed brightness for the 37" Syntax Olevia. Also, I only see a 720p model. I know they're releasing 1080p 42" and 47" models, but are they releasing a 1080p 37" model?

Personally I'm more concerned with the contrast. It's listed at 800:1 for the iMac and I find it pretty good, but it's not the best I've seen. The 37w1 is listed at 1000:1 but I'm not sure how the numbers jive. FWIW, the 37w1 is listed at 1000:1 and is measured at 719:1 in one test, which they consider excellent for an LCD panel.

Actually what I'm most concerned about is bugs and quality control. There were a fair number of issues with 37" LVM-37w1. Indeed, in the same LVM-37w1 review I posted above, they give it less than stellar marks for VESA white and black uniformity (whatever that means). In fact, for black uniformity, they gave it a downright "poor" rating.

While some claim the new 42" LVM-42w2 looks better built (and the new 37" LVM-37w3 is using the same design as the 42"), the 42" is not problem free either unfortunately.
post #71 of 9252
I had LVM37w1 for few days, before I had to return it due to malfunction and the first thing I had to do is lower the brightness, I was affraid it will torch the room, lol. I don't think brightness should be problem on this set, of course YMMV.
post #72 of 9252
yeah i just dont know what to do, i want a panel that does 1080p but i want good blacks and whites and the westy's seem to have alot of complaints as far as reliability but im set on a 37" and im set on 1080p but there isnt much out there for under 2k.
post #73 of 9252
oh and no they so far have not said anything about a 1080p syntax 37", i was just comparing the w3 to the 37" syntax.
post #74 of 9252
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Originally Posted by motorhead7319 View Post

oh and no they so far have not said anything about a 1080p syntax 37", i was just comparing the w3 to the 37" syntax.

I kindly disagree with your statement. Syntax was talking 37", 1080p monitor more than a year ago and they never delivered. They were also promising digital tuner for older Olevia models and somehow I haven't seen that either. I liked Syntax since they provided good quality at very reasonable price, but they made some promises they couldn't keep and fell behind the cutting edge soon after. Westinghouse at the moment seems to be much bolder with bigger selection of models etc. and it's my new favorite. And lets not kid ourselves: You don't expect the least expensive 1080p HDTV to have the best specs accross the board? It is already embarassing that Westy provides 5 HD inputs, full 1080p and other things than twice as expensive sets can dream off. Specs mean nothing if you can't tell the difference between them, for example once you past certain minimum response time, faster response time makes no difference that I could see. LVM37W1 I've looked at, had no uniformity issues I could see, so make your guess how much I care about ratings in the magazine?
post #75 of 9252
Sorry i never heard of the 1080p syntax but that would be cool if they did it, i like the glass screens since i have kids. I did for the first time see the 37 w1 today and i was thinking it looks really nice, i saw some clips from video games and video and stuff and though it looked great, and i dont see what people are complaining about with blacks they looked ok to me. I did see a 32 westy too but that one had some light spots in the corners during dark scenes.
post #76 of 9252
Thread Starter 
Hmmm... Given the issues like the vertical banding issue that the 42" LVM-42w2 suffers, I've decided that unless the 37" LVM-37w3 is way better, I'm not buying. What I mean by way better is 10 people here buying with no more than 1 with significant issues such as vertical banding or lockups or corner bleed, etc.

I'm thinking I may just wait to see if Sony releases their Bravia X 1080p line with PC compatibility at 40" in Q3. If they do and I can get it for less than $3000 US, I might just be prepared to shell out, even if I'm forced to buy an HDMI switcher.


post #77 of 9252
Bugs,
Yeah, that banding looks pretty bad, but maybe it's just his set alone.

Anyway, if you were going to buy the 42" in Amherst, just be aware that you'll get hit with 8.75 % NY tax. Then at the border they'll tag you for 5% duty on your total cost (including tax). Then tack another 15% for PST, GST on that.
I did the calculations for you and it works out to about $3800 Cdn.

I think I'm waiting for the w3, and hopefully on this side of the border.

Either that or one of the EyeFi's. Hope to see reviews on them soon.
post #78 of 9252
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Originally Posted by BuGsArEtAsTy View Post

Hmmm... Given the issues like the vertical banding issue that the 42" LVM-42w2 suffers, I've decided that unless the 37" LVM-37w3 is way better, I'm not buying. What I mean by way better is 10 people here buying with no more than 1 with significant issues such as vertical banding or lockups or corner bleed, etc.

I'm thinking I may just wait to see if Sony releases their Bravia X 1080p line with PC compatibility at 40" in Q3. If they do and I can get it for less than $3000 US, I might just be prepared to shell out, even if I'm forced to buy an HDMI switcher.




I think you're being little paranoid. There was only one report of lock up on 42"(Don't think it was reproducible), and one report of vertical banding(this is a known issue with most big LCD TV on every brand, sometimes you just get unlucky), and the corner bleeding is associated with first generation 37" Westy which is also a common issue with LCD panels in general, however, not everyone's unit has this. Anyway, Sony Bravia X line will have it's own set of problems and issues. Noting is perfect and especially, people on this board is not a typical crowd of users. We seldom find things that no one ever notice. Anyway, I can assure you that Sony line will not provide as much 1080p connectivity as the newer Westy lines. Obviously, that won't be an issue if you're planing on getting the HDMI switcher. When you buy anything in a closed box, without testing the unit out at the store, there will always be a chance of picking out a lemon, hence the return policy exist. Some brands will have less occurance than the other, but nothing is guaranteed.
post #79 of 9252
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by stucandu View Post

Either that or one of the EyeFi's. Hope to see reviews on them soon.

Hmmm... Sam's club says Contrast Ratio - 700:1, but EyeFi says 1000:1.

Interestingly, EyeFi uses ChiMei panels, which Westinghouse uses too. While ChiMei claims 1000:1, but one PCMag review had the 37 at 721:1, curiously close to Sam's Club's listed number. (It's probably just by chance that Sam's Club's typo was close to this number, but hey. )

Too bad this Eyefi isn't available in Canada either.

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I think you're being little paranoid. There was only one report of lock up on 42"(Don't think it was reproducible), and one report of vertical banding(this is a known issue with most big LCD TV on every brand, sometimes you just get unlucky), and the corner bleeding is associated with first generation 37" Westy which is also a common issue with LCD panels in general, however, not everyone's unit has this. Anyway, Sony Bravia X line will have it's own set of problems and issues. Noting is perfect and especially, people on this board is not a typical crowd of users. We seldom find things that no one ever notice. Anyway, I can assure you that Sony line will not provide as much 1080p connectivity as the newer Westy lines. Obviously, that won't be an issue if you're planing on getting the HDMI switcher. When you buy anything in a closed box, without testing the unit out at the store, there will always be a chance of picking out a lemon, hence the return policy exist. Some brands will have less occurance than the other, but nothing is guaranteed.

More than one person has reported lockups with Westinghouse TVs, including more than one with the 42". Furthermore, Westinghouse is aware of the problem. Vertical banding does occur with many TV brands, but I am seeing more issues reported with the Westinghouse TVs.

The Sony Bravia line will have issues I'm sure, but one major benefit for me is the fact that I can buy the Sony locally and get it serviced locally. That alone is worth a couple of hundred bux of a price premium for me. Westinghouse has no TV service centre anywhere in Canada.
post #80 of 9252
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Originally Posted by BuGsArEtAsTy View Post

Hmmm... Sam's club says Contrast Ratio - 700:1, but EyeFi says 1000:1.

Interestingly, EyeFi uses ChiMei panels, which Westinghouse uses too. While ChiMei claims 1000:1, but one PCMag review had the 37 at 721:1, curiously close to Sam's Club's listed number. (It's probably just by chance that Sam's Club's typo was close to this number, but hey. )

Too bad this Eyefi isn't available in Canada either.


If you read through the EyeFi thread you'll find that the specs on the Sam's Club site are incorrect. The Eyefi site specs are correct.
You'll also see that that Eyefi will ship to Canada, but the prices are higher than at Sam's.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...50#post7337250
post #81 of 9252
I noticed that the price on JR for the 42" was the same as BB, so I have to think that the JR price on the 37" will be the same also.
post #82 of 9252
Thread Starter 
This has already been alluded to, but Westinghouse also told me that they do not have an official MSRP (yet) on the 37" Westy.

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Originally Posted by stucandu View Post

If you read through the EyeFi thread you'll find that the specs on the Sam's Club site are incorrect. The Eyefi site specs are correct.
You'll also see that that Eyefi will ship to Canada, but the prices are higher than at Sam's.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...50#post7337250

It's the same Chi Mei panel, but I wonder about the backlight. I could forego the extra inputs if it meant less chance of a backlight issue.

I'm still leaning toward the 1080p 40" Bravia X though...
post #83 of 9252
So what's the deal on this guys? I can't find it on westinghouse's site. No word on when it will be shipping?
post #84 of 9252
The LVM-37w3 is showing up in the internal BB system[EDIT]
post #85 of 9252
I can't find it on their website yet.
post #86 of 9252
What is interesting is that the LVM-37w1 product page on BB is gone. If you search for it, then click the link for more details, it says the page is gone...

post #87 of 9252
Just noticed that also. Maybe the W3 will be up later today.
post #88 of 9252
My fingers are crossed...if that still works when you are 30?
post #89 of 9252
When i looked at the w1 yesterday at bestbuy it had a clearence sitcker on its price card. So that should mean something.
post #90 of 9252
I finally decided to pull the trigger on the w1 on sunday. Went to BB because I wanted a replacement plan (in case I got unlucky with backlighting). None left in the store, the tag was clearance. And next to the clearance tag, what a tag for the w2 listed at the same price the clearance price for the w1. My heart sank when i saw the 720p resolution on the w2 tag, omg. Glad to hear a w3 is coming, I'll be waiting impatiently.
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