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post #31 of 151
What? No BD damage control? Where are the faithful? :)

Last time I suggested BD delaying the PS3, I got lambasted.

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[Ahh Grubert beat me my 4 minutes. Always reliable.]
post #32 of 151
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Originally Posted by bdavidson
What? No BD damage control? Where are the faithful? :)

Last time I suggested BD delaying the PS3, I got lambasted.
imo this was going to happen... i am VERY suprised they arent bringing it out in the states before xmas though. thats going to be a huge blow imo as people wont wait past christmas no matter how good it is (even though everything ive read says they are pretty much on the same level graphics/speed wise). This is really making my decision to get the 360 now look that much better.
post #33 of 151
My only question is that if this news get's confirmed by sony how will blu-ray's "Trojan Horse" plan work out now?

And since the movie studios were also depending on PS3 for people to move into blu-ray how will this effect the outcome of the format wars?

Will the movie studios lose faith and move on to the other format now since they are worried about sony's delay.

This is'nt good news at all, especially if your a gamer like me.
post #34 of 151
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However, it's not clear whether Nihon Keizai Shimbun is reporting on leaked details from this conference, or whether the report is based on information from other sources. Speculation that technical problems with Blu-Ray could delay the roll-out of PS3 has been rife for well over a month, and has not been quelled by the announcement that Blu-Ray movie players will ship in North America in mid-May.

Sony's conference is planned for 3pm in Tokyo on Wednesday - around 6am GMT - and is also expected to feature a first look at some of the launch line-up for the console.
We will know tomorrow ....
post #35 of 151
Thread Starter 
As a gamer you should not be overly concenerned. You will get the PS3.

But don't expect it to be the wonder gaming machine SONY is stating it too be.
Even after the year headstart from XBox 360.
post #36 of 151
********GA, where are you from? By the way you talk about the PS consoles, I'm inclined to think you live somewhere in Asia. Thanks in advance if you don't mind telling us.
post #37 of 151
I think this is good news for gamers. It allows game developers extra time to make good games for the PS3. It allows me to get more use out of my 360 :) The majority of the first XBOX 360 games were mediocore and the 2nd wave of titles has really been an improvement.

I personally dont care about Blu Ray being in a game player because I will never use PS3 as a Blu Ray player. I wish Sony kept it out, but I understand their reasoning.

Andy
post #38 of 151
PS3 needs blu-ray for their "Trojan Horse" plan, but unfortunatelly if this new becomes confirmed thatis'nt going to happen and we may see more movie studios lose support in blu-ray sooner than you think.
post #39 of 151
I'll wait for official confirmation.
post #40 of 151
This does appear to be the real deal. Most of the reputable gaming sites like Gaming Age have posted the story and are confirming it.

We still have to hear from Sony officially, but this is looking pretty likely right now.
post #41 of 151
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Originally Posted by HeavyC
This does appear to be the real deal. Most of the reputable gaming sites like Gaming Age have posted the story and are confirming it.

We still have to hear from Sony officially, but this is looking pretty likely right now.
If it's true, it's amazing in the worst way possible.

It means yielding two Christmases in a row to an ever growing, uber hot Xbox 360 and possibly even Nintendo.

Do we have any ideas when the Revolution is going to be released? If they come out around Christmas as well?...Sony's missing the boat.
post #42 of 151
This is the background news ...

PS3 Details Eyed As Sony Opens Meeting

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Sony Corp. said on Tuesday it will allow the media and analysts to attend an annual meeting for third-party software developers of its PlayStation video game, prompting questions on whether it will give details on the launch of its next-generation console.
post #43 of 151
Nintendo will be out In November and like you said the 360 will have had 2 holidays uncontested while still holding onto their trump card in Halo 3.

Sony is making a huge mistake IMO.
post #44 of 151
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post #45 of 151
In reality, Microsoft could very well launch Halo 3 against the PS3 US launch now. There was no way Halo 3 would be ready this year considering it has not been officially announced yet.

However, if we are talking Spring 2007 or even later, I see no reason why MS won't have the big gun ready to go. Not to mention how the 360 could fly off the shelves again next Christmas (perhaps on the heels of its first modest price drop).

Things just got a lot more interesting. Even Nintendo has a dog in this fight now.
post #46 of 151
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Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ
If it's true, it's amazing in the worst way possible.

It means yielding two Christmases in a row to an ever growing, uber hot Xbox 360 and possibly even Nintendo.
If the delay is true I think Sony is going to need to seriously consider a simultaneous launch in the US and Japan.

If they claim the delay is due to AACS and they are telling the truth, then manufacturing enough units shouldn't be a problem because they could stockpile them while they are getting the AACS issues worked out and then most likely be able to update them with that last software to handle the AACS stuff before they go out the door. But I suspect that isn't really the reason.

--Darin
post #47 of 151
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Originally Posted by marcello696
Nintendo will be out In November and like you said the 360 will have had 2 holidays uncontested while still holding onto their trump card in Halo 3.

Sony is making a huge mistake IMO.
If it goes down like this. I still have a very hard time believing that Sony would shrug their shoulders and let that scenario you just spelled outgo down.

They can't afford to do it! It's stupid! I don't have to be an ace businessman or economist to see it!

The 360 is already gaining nice momentum and popularity as is. Forget the whole Blu-Ray HD-DVD thing. That's a background story. From the gaming market standpoint alone...if they throw of 2006, "they're in a world of hurt", to quote a favorite movie of mine. (Bonus points to those of you that correctly identify the source of that quote.) ;)






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Originally Posted by darinp2
If the delay is true I think Sony is going to need to seriously consider a simultaneous launch in the US and Japan.

If they claim the delay is due to AACS and they are telling the truth, then manufacturing enough units shouldn't be a problem because they could stockpile them while they are getting the AACS issues worked out and then most likely be able to update them with that last software to handle the AACS stuff before they go out the door. But I suspect that isn't really the reason.

--Darin
Agreed 100 percent.
post #48 of 151
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"they're in a world of hurt", to quote a favorite movie of mine. (Bonus points to those of you that correctly identify the source of that quote.)
Jesse ventura from Predator or is it from hulk hogan?:)
post #49 of 151
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Originally Posted by SurfingMatt27
Jesse ventura from Predator or is it from hulk hogan?:)
Ventura. ;)


I'll say this much.

A part of me almost hopes this happens for this reason:

I'm a firm believer in the idea that competition forces quality.

One of the best time in console gaming was at the height of the SNES vs. Sega Genesis wars.

I never liked the idea of ANY one company having the kind of insane lead Sony has had for years now. It's time for that boat to get rocked a bit.

If Sony misses this Christmas, we can be assured of a much closer, much nastier console war. MS will close the gap considerably with almost certain robust 360 sales. Hopefully Nintendo comes out of the gate swinging...one can never forget them or write them off.

End result: Tighter competition forces better quality, all the way around.
post #50 of 151
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Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ
I'll say this much.

A part of me almost hopes this happens for this reason:

I'm a firm believer in the idea that competition forces quality.

One of the best time in console gaming was at the height of the SNES vs. Sega Genesis wars.

I never liked the idea of ANY one company having the kind of insane lead Sony has had for years now. It's time for that boat to get rocked a bit.

If Sony misses this Christmas, we can be assured of a much closer, much nastier console war. MS will close the gap considerably with almost certain robust 360 sales. Hopefully Nintendo comes out of the gate swinging...one can never forget them or write them off.

End result: Tighter competition forces better quality, all the way around.
I know this could take things to a real way here, but a delay like is being discussed could open the door up quite a bit for that HD-DVD addon for the XBOX360 also. Not that I think an addon is like having base unit support, but is one more thing to consider in the next gen disk war.

BTW: Do you feel the same way about HD-DVD and BluRay fighting it out vs one of them getting crushed early and leaving us with just one?

--Darin
post #51 of 151
Without out a doubt, the PS/3 being delayed, and Toshiba's bold pricing move, means that a more level playing field exists now.

The story presenting itself a 8-12 months ago coupled with the delays in getting HD DVD out were definitely making HD DVD look stillborn. Things have changed for both formats.

Neither looks particularly healthy right now, but the market is clearly going to have to deal with two competing physical formats.

Competition all the way. It will drive innovation and expansion of features away from the mere base disc playing. It will drive quality and quantity in the releases.

And I think the lateness of both formats opens up an opportunity for the electronic delivery dark horse that can eliminate all the issues with ROM disc structures. People were wondering how the studios would respond to a format war. It may be to see if the market would support ways of avoiding BOTH.

There is probably no way a DVD-like re-occurence is going to happen now with HD. The market is going to fracture among many different ways of getting content.

Gary
post #52 of 151
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Originally Posted by darinp2
I know this could take things to a real way here, but a delay like is being discussed could open the door up quite a bit for that HD-DVD addon for the XBOX360 also. Not that I think an addon is like having base unit support, but is one more thing to consider in the next gen disk war.
Hard to tell what kind of ramifications, if any, this will have on Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD. It could be a potential factor, depending on the timing of other hardware and software releases, etc. etc.


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BTW: Do you feel the same way about HD-DVD and BluRay fighting it out vs one of them getting crushed early and leaving us with just one?

--Darin
See dialog_gvf's post above mine. That's pretty much my take on it as well.
post #53 of 151
Stupid question time. If the "copy protection technology for the Blu-ray Disc has not been finalized" then wouldn't this affect all Blu-ray players from all CEs and not just Sony's PS3?? And if true, then wouldn't this delay the planned May launch?
post #54 of 151
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Originally Posted by sknight1
Stupid question time. If the "copy protection technology for the Blu-ray Disc has not been finalized" then wouldn't this affect all Blu-ray players from all CEs and not just Sony's PS3?? And if true, then wouldn't this delay the planned May launch?

Hopefully we'll learn that definitively within the next 6-8 hours, via that official Sony meeting that's been mentioned in several threads.
post #55 of 151
I can't wait to see whether this gets confirmed. PS3 losing two Christmas seasons to Xbox should severely impact its eventual install base. Also, given what has come out from the various studios about what their desired volume numbers (i.e., millions) are to support fully any next generation format, it might take Toshiba being single-handedly committed to developing $250 HD-DVD players for either format to succeed.

Hey, at least HD-DVDs and Blu Ray discs will take up less space than D-Theater! :)

Later,
Bill
post #56 of 151
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Originally Posted by sknight1
Stupid question time. If the "copy protection technology for the Blu-ray Disc has not been finalized" then wouldn't this affect all Blu-ray players from all CEs and not just Sony's PS3?? And if true, then wouldn't this delay the planned May launch?
That's why this doesn't make sense. Either all BR is delayed or really there are other reasons. I'm guessing at this point there are other reasons. What would be a good giggle is that the war is lost by Christmas and HD DVD has won and then the PS3 comes out with what would then be a high-density proprietary platter that video games don't really need to begin with. That would be a historical electronics blunder. It’s imo all the other reasons…
post #57 of 151
Wow, just two days ago, I approached someone who I know to have contacts in the industry about this. He said he had heard late last week that the US Launch isn't happening until early 2007. I don't know if there is "circular information" going around, but it's getting interesting to say the least!!!

It makes me wonder if Sony will change their stance on the price of their stand alone BD player?
post #58 of 151
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Originally Posted by ********GA
Basically Sony's 5th generation console is finished, it will be the battle of $199 machines, Xbox 360 Core Edition and Nintendo GameCube Turbo this November.
5th generation? $199 360 when the Core sells for $299 and is far outstripped in sales by the $399 Premium? GameCube Turbo when everyone calls it the Revolution, including developers and the occasional slip from Nintendo?

Barkeep, I'll order two of what he's having.
post #59 of 151
I think Sony needs to get out an entry-level from someone, anyone, or BD is going to look pretty lame. I'm pretty sure Warner and Paramount would withdraw any intentions to release BD discs if Sony were to indicate they were going to give a pass to 2006 entirel with respect to the PS/3.

And the PS/3 better up the specs if it wants to try to sell people on a new expensive system starting in 2007.

How to lose out in two businesses without even trying (literally).

Gary
post #60 of 151
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Originally Posted by ********GA
Basically Sony's 5th generation console is finished, it will be the battle of $199 machines, Xbox 360 Core Edition and Nintendo GameCube Turbo this November.
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Originally Posted by JBlacklow
5th generation? $199 360 when the Core sells for $299 and is far outstripped in sales by the $399 Premium? GameCube Turbo when everyone calls it the Revolution, including developers and the occasional slip from Nintendo?

Barkeep, I'll order two of what he's having.

I figured ******** wouldn't waste anytime with his bold faced lies and spin. He was so eager to jump on this he couldn't even get the basic facts about the system names right!

By tomorrow, I'm sure we'll see a thread with a title like this:

" :D PS3 delay: END OF BLU-RAY!!" followed by a bunch of those numbers and "stats" he pulls out of thin air. :rolleyes:

Even if it doesn't get confirmed officially by Sony.
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