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post #61 of 151
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Originally Posted by JBlacklow
5th generation?
He refuses to use the term "PS/3". It's a childish obsession of his, and destroys him being taken at all seriously.

The thing is, through all the Sony hating fog, there is sometimes information there. The problem is, he throws it away and latches onto to wishful thinking at a drop of a hat whenever it enhances his anti-Sony agenda.

He despises Sony. And everything must be analyzed in that light. He probably doesn't give a damn about HD movies.

Go look at his posts. See if you can find a single one that discusses HD movies, or HD DVD without being some shot at Sony/BD, be it price, neutrality, or PS/3.

Gary
post #62 of 151
"We'll find out tomorrow." I've heard this several times recently regarding Sony and the PS3.

I personally doubt that we will find out tomorrow. But hey, I guess we'll find that out tomorrow.
post #63 of 151
If the PS3 doesn't ship in time, what is Sony's plan B for getting a significant enough number of BD players into consumer's hands that it's worth while for the studios to maintain their commitment to the format?
post #64 of 151
Hopefully tomorrow will bring the info that will cause parties to quit debating.....it is or it isn't. Now maybe people can debate the reall Merits of whether the 360 and it's lead will bring a 50/50 split with Sony in NA and Europe. Sony isn't happy about this, but sometimes there is nothing you can do. As I have said before....Sony shot for the Moon on this one....the problem is there Space Shuttle isn't ready to take off. :o
post #65 of 151
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Originally Posted by Steve Schauer
I personally doubt that we will find out tomorrow. But hey, I guess we'll find that out tomorrow.
Ha! I like that. We'll find out tomorrow that we're not going to find out anything tomorrow.

Buy hey, at least we'll find *something* out tomorrow. :D
post #66 of 151
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Originally Posted by rabident
If the PS3 doesn't ship in time, what is Sony's plan B for getting a significant enough number of BD players into consumer's hands that it's worth while for the studios to maintain their commitment to the format?
So far, it seems to me they had no backup plan. Which would be staggeringly moronic. It's tough enough to get these new formats out the door without betting everything on an entry-level player in the guise of the game franchise's next-gen with a bleeding edge processor.

The BDA companies will express confidence that the early-adopter is looking for quality and features and not price. But, the early-adopter are also interested in actually buying something other than promises.

The shame here is Toshiba has blown the whole generation by lowballing the price and making it now completely unnattractive to other CE to enter the HD DVD game. Especially if they now have to play the game with the Chinese on route to zero margin in a few years.

Who knows where this is going now. I suspect the BDA companies will reconcentrate on the general uses of BD with recorders, and perhaps, like Pioneer, look to adding alternative sourcing other than just physical discs.

Time to sue for peace? There's still 14 days. :)

Gary
post #67 of 151
It is what it is. The facts will trickle little by little. It isn't Copy Protection that is the true cause of the delay. Blaming it on CP allows sony to confirm the dissapointing news, hoping consumers will sympathize with them as they are helpless because it's the Copy Protection holding the whole thing up. I think most people who follow this stuff are smart enough to realize that is just PR stuff.
post #68 of 151
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If the PS3 doesn't ship in time, what is Sony's plan B for getting a significant enough number of BD players into consumer's hands that it's worth while for the studios to maintain their commitment to the format?
There isn't Plan B.

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The shame here is Toshiba has blown the whole generation by lowballing the price and making it now completely unnattractive to other CE to enter the HD DVD game.
Thomson and LG have entered the ring, and LG's crosstown rival Samsung is now guaranteed to enter the HD-DVD player market because of LG(They always introduce competing products around the same time).

It will be just Sony and Matsushita that will stay with BD-ROM until the end.

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Especially if they now have to play the game with the Chinese on route to zero margin in a few years.
Well, Chinese mostly do players. There is money to be made in Blu-Ray recorders with HD-DVD playback feature.
post #69 of 151
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Originally Posted by ********GA
There isn't Plan B.
How do you know?

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Thomson and LG have entered the ring, and LG's crosstown rival Samsung is now guaranteed to enter the HD-DVD player market because of LG(They always introduce competing products around the same time).
Link? Source?

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It will be just Sony and Matsushita that will stay with BD-ROM until the end.
Again: How do you know?

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Well, Chinese mostly do players. There is money to be made in Blu-Ray recorders with HD-DVD playback feature.
For the hat trick: How do you know?

Can you back up any of these statements with anything concrete? I know I'm wasting my time, but I wanted to ask it on the record, very specifically.
post #70 of 151
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Originally Posted by dialog_gvf
Without out a doubt, the PS/3 being delayed, and Toshiba's bold pricing move, means that a more level playing field exists now.

The story presenting itself a 8-12 months ago coupled with the delays in getting HD DVD out were definitely making HD DVD look stillborn. Things have changed for both formats.

Neither looks particularly healthy right now, but the market is clearly going to have to deal with two competing physical formats.

Competition all the way. It will drive innovation and expansion of features away from the mere base disc playing. It will drive quality and quantity in the releases.

And I think the lateness of both formats opens up an opportunity for the electronic delivery dark horse that can eliminate all the issues with ROM disc structures. People were wondering how the studios would respond to a format war. It may be to see if the market would support ways of avoiding BOTH.

There is probably no way a DVD-like re-occurence is going to happen now with HD. The market is going to fracture among many different ways of getting content.

Gary
I'm sorry, but electronic delivery isn't even a horse in this race, much less a dark horse. I worked on trying to do it 6 years ago, and the studios have only gotten more paranoid since then. The hardware/software isn't there (and the studios aren't going to let you have it on your computer!). The bandwidth for the majority of Americans isn't there. I live in an affluent suburb of the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex, and my bandwidth options are severely limited compared to what someone only 20 miles of me can get. My boss just ordered 15mbps Verizon Fios service for less than I pay for DSL and could have gotten 30mbps if he wanted to pay the $199/month premium. I'm ~20 miles away and have the choice of paying for slow DSL from SBC/AT&T or a congested cable network connection. Neither of which is fast enough to really do streaming content on demand. Houston isn't any better.

Joseph
post #71 of 151
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Originally Posted by ********GA
There isn't Plan B.


Thomson and LG have entered the ring, and LG's crosstown rival Samsung is now guaranteed to enter the HD-DVD player market because of LG(They always introduce competing products around the same time).

It will be just Sony and Matsushita that will stay with BD-ROM until the end.


Well, Chinese mostly do players. There is money to be made in Blu-Ray recorders with HD-DVD playback feature.

YOu are asinine. first lets see toshiba is delayed twice yet you champion it. theres a delay in wb movies it seem but once again its no problem to you or your twin ms employee. THIRD ITS THE PS3!!!!!!!!! what part of that do you not understand or comprehend??? CALL IT BY it name or SHUT UP!!!!!!
post #72 of 151
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Originally Posted by dialog_gvf
He refuses to use the term "PS/3". It's a childish obsession of his, and destroys him being taken at all seriously.

The thing is, through all the Sony hating fog, there is sometimes information there. The problem is, he throws it away and latches onto to wishful thinking at a drop of a hat whenever it enhances his anti-Sony agenda.

He despises Sony. And everything must be analyzed in that light. He probably doesn't give a damn about HD movies.

Go look at his posts. See if you can find a single one that discusses HD movies, or HD DVD without being some shot at Sony/BD, be it price, neutrality, or PS/3.

Gary

That's the best rundown on ********GA's m.o. around here I think I've ever seen. It's also far more diplomatic and erudite than what the whole thing probably deserves.

I'm so tired of the endless stream of lies and misinformation from the same person over and over again. Someone get Bill O'Reilly in here to slamn down a No Spin Zone! ;)

Downright insanity inducement...
post #73 of 151
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Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ
That's the best rundown on ********GA's m.o. around here I think I've ever seen. It's also far more diplomatic and erudite than what the whole thing probably deserves.

I'm so tired of the endless stream of lies and misinformation from the same person over and over again. Someone get Bill O'Reilly in here to slamn down a No Spin Zone! ;)

Downright insanity inducement...
Yep...its one thing to have an initial preference in formats, and quite another to just spread your hate of a company....and possibly not even care about actual movies to boot.
post #74 of 151
You guys are harsh with ********. He maybe from another country where the PS consoles are named differently than as we in the the west know it. The only reason I say this is because I am the son of a chinese (father) and a Dutch-Dominican (mother), both of which were not born in the states. I still have to correct my father, who came to goto school at Columbia University and has sat on the board next to Robert Kraft, on certain americanized terms he has trouble with.
Anyways, if you can get past the terminology and you know what he is referring to, can you guys just accept it?

On another note, I am split by this latest news. On the one hand I would like to get a PS3 for gaming and movie playback, as I am not spending over a grand on just a movie player. On the other hand, as a HD-DVD supporter, this may give it time to show what it can do without that much competition for another few months volumewise.
post #75 of 151
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Originally Posted by Paul_Seng
You guys are harsh with ********. He maybe from another country where the PS consoles are named differently than as we in the the west know it. The only reason I say this is because I am the son of a chinese (father) and a Dutch-Dominican (mother), both of which were not born in the states.
No, he's explained it just fine. PSX3 was because he believes Sony never changed from the preproduction name for the Playstation and it was used as a expanded Japan-only PS2. Despite the official worldwide corporate names of various items (PS/2/3, BD-xxx, and apparently Nintendo Revolution), he believes his terminology is right. He's well known in various tech forums for his wild claims about Sony, Blu-Ray, and the PS3, and from which he's mostly been banned.
post #76 of 151
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Originally Posted by Paul_Seng
You guys are harsh with ********.
I'm curious as to whether you know about or have read some of the racist stuff that ******** has posted on other forums and admitted to posting and believing in. And whether that has any bearing on whether you think ******** should be given the benefit of the doubt if there is ever a question about his motives.

--Darin
post #77 of 151
All i know is that there is more than just a delay of blu-ray copy protection, something is fishy...

If it's only blu-ray copy protection holding them back then why no playable game demonstrations.It makes you think don't it?
post #78 of 151
PS3 News:

PS3 to feature next-gen HDMI from the get-go

simultaneous worldwide start....
post #79 of 151
PS3 Worldwide Release in November:
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Ken Kutaragi, PlayStation Master and keeper of big news has announced at the PS meeting today that the PlayStation 3 will be launching in early November worldwide for the North American, Asian, and European territories.

Once release, Sony will unleash one million units per month with a total of six million units in 2006 alone. Production numbers are higher for PS1 and PS2 in their initial years.
post #80 of 151
Several million units will be produced on a monthly basis up until launch
(=greater number than the PS2 was produced in)

simultaneous worldwide launch Early Nov. release!!!!!!

Once released, Sony will unleash one million units per month with a total of six million units in 2006 alone. Production numbers are higher for PS1 and PS2 in their initial years.

Full BD support


"Develop software for the platform [PS3] with the assumption that a hard drive will be present"

All software will be released on the BD format for the purpose of preventing piracy

*HD "present" as in "available" -- not sure if it will be standard or not (add-on?)

Development tool specs have been finalized today
post #81 of 151
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Originally Posted by JBlacklow
Thanks. Seems like a smart move to me. Now if they will just release a SKU number I can get my name on a list. If anybody hears of a legit place I can preorder one, they are welcome to PM me. :)
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PS3 to feature next-gen HDMI from the get-go
I assume that means 1.3. Seems like good news there and maybe that will get 1.3 HDMI inputs into lower priced audio receivers (since they could do higher volumes with all the PS3s out there).

--Darin
post #82 of 151
But wait, there's more!
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Sony today announced that not only is the PlayStation 3 to be 100% backwards compatible, but all legacy titles played on the system will be displayed at high-definition resolutions. The Xbox 360 currently does the same thing and the result on that end is much sharper image quality for older games.

Other key features of the system that the electronics giant has pointed out so far are full Blu-ray support, the latest HDMI connection, broadband and wireless connectivity and HDD support. This is all old new, but we're just posting it as it comes in. Stay tuned...
post #83 of 151
Network News:
Basic online service will be free; will begin same time as PS3 release date
post #84 of 151
Blu-Ray plans:
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At its PlayStation Business Briefing 2006 in Japan, Sony announced its production plans for BD-ROM discs (Blu-ray). Firstly, all PlayStation 3 games will ship on Blu-ray to help prevent piracy. In other words, no "cheap" DVD releases; Blu-ray only. Of course, it'll still play PS2 and movies on DVD, but all PS3 releases will be on Blu-ray.

The company expects initial BD-ROM production to reach 2.5 million in Japan and Europe and 5 million in the US.
post #85 of 151
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Originally Posted by KLee
60G HDD is STANDARD and upgradeable!!!!

50,000.00 JPY ($425.607 USD)



WOW if thats the price just WOW...

I already have a 360 and love it but i would get a ps3 just for a cheap way to get a blu-ray player...


still wow
post #86 of 151
Some bad news:
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At the PlayStation Business Briefing 2006, Ken Kutaragi has just added another infamous quote to his belt, this time stating that PS3 games are "live" and that the PS3 concept is "4D".
I guess that means it exists outside our time/space continuum. Or maybe it's something to do with the flux capacitor?

;)

ETA: $425? Sweet! Where are you getting your info from?
post #87 of 151
ok lets do a brief review...

xbox 360 $399
Toshiba HD-DVD Player $499
Total $898


PS3 including Blu-ray player aprox $425

I have to be missing something because this seems like a no brainer to me and I HAVE the x360...
post #88 of 151
Milachy: I haven't seen any website announcing prices, is the one you provided an announcement or estimate? And where from?
post #89 of 151
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Originally Posted by milachy
ok lets do a brief review...

xbox 360 $399
Toshiba HD-DVD Player $499
Total $898


PS3 including Blu-ray player aprox $425

I have to be missing something because this seems like a no brainer to me and I HAVE the x360...
the 360 price you quote includes a hdd. core model is $299. The comparable hd dvd would be to add the price of the hd dvd addon.

But yes if that's the price then Blu Ray drive is being given for about the cost that 360 is giving it's HDD. Super cheap Blu Ray at that price, no doubt it :-)
post #90 of 151
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Originally Posted by JBlacklow
Milachy: I haven't seen any website announcing prices, is the one you provided an announcement or estimate? And where from?
Posted it from another forum. I was posting info and going back and forth with this guy(kinda like how you and I were posting right after one another) and then I stoped for a few minutes.

Since i also have not been able to confirm the price I will have to edit my previous post.

Hopefully he will post his source and all will be well..
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