Originally Posted by QQQ
I'll make sure to inform the engineers I work with that there is an industry standard for their rates and that they are all supposed to charge the same thing...and then I'll wait until they stop laughing. Sure, there are some loose industry "standards" for most industries...which also often vary by locale BTW. But there is always variance.
Do you think there is something wrong with having a wide variance of rates? Isn't that good??? Isn't that the free market at work??? Is it "bad" that a computer consultant that works out of his home and helps individuals and small business on small projects charges $75 per hour and another consultant that has managed to carve out a niche for himself or works for a big firm charges $250 per hour? Seems to me that's a great thing and the essence of the free market at work. Different people serving different markets.
Now you see, it is my words that are being twisted. I "said" I couldn't believe that I have to pay double what engineers in my field get paid to get a HA system installed. Nowhere did I say that they should have to "lower themselves" (God forbid!!) to be paid the same as we do. This is despite the fact that, "in my opinion" the work is less complicated and has less liability involved with it. There is a big difference between these two statements.
Maybe I should take BigPapa up on his suggestion and offer myself out at half of the rates shown here by others. Think I would get any takers or would it just be the people that are "too cheap" to get a "proper" installer in? Software is software you know, I am fluent in at least 10 different programming languages and an equal amount of graphics packages, not to mention being MCSE, MCSD and A+ certified, wouldn't take long to learn another one...
And, unless you work in my field I don't see how you can possibly comment on the pay structure. The competition to provide both systems AND manpower to commission those systems is very intense. The wages offered to nearly ALL in these fields, due to the competition are VERY similar in both structure and amount, almost a "cartel", if you please, or should I say "free market". It seems that because there is very little competition in the HA systems and installers (3 or 4 players?), they are allowed to charge whatever they please.
And you have also proved another point by your use of the word "Niche". Which, lets face it, is what we are talking about and is exactly why it is so expensive to get this work done by an installer.
"Joe Schmo", can not and will not pay those kind of rates, so it remains a niche market for the well off, until another "Henry Ford" comes along of course.