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post #31 of 4409
I'm looking forward to this release, hopefully they live up to expectations
post #32 of 4409
What I meant was I think PiP in regards to the internal tuner/cable card, will only let one of the sources be a TV channel, and then one other source via external cable box, DVD PC etc etc. Or 2 video sources. Just that you could not have 2 independent TV channels displayed via internal tuners. Not sure if thats correct, but it seems to be what they are trying to say(not trying too hard as ofcourse they dont want people to think they can only watch one channel with PiP). Im pretty sure this is the standard on lots of PiP Tvs with internal tuners.
post #33 of 4409
Thanks!

Do we have a straight answer on the question of Cablecard?
post #34 of 4409
PDF says Cable Card is a go. Does the 92 have a Cable card? A Non-issue for me, got D*. How could you live without Tvio and use a Cable Card???
post #35 of 4409
Apparently the 4692 does not have cable card...I just looked at the pdf spec sheet again. It doesn't feature it the way the 4696 does. My original thought was that I could use my cable box as 1 input to a PIP and the Cable card as another (my level of understanding of Cable card is next to nothing). Does the previous sentence even make sense?
post #36 of 4409
Seems like that should work. I think some of the DVR cable boxes allow PiP. My bros scientific atlanta one does. Do you use a DVR/Tivo? I would much rather be able to have Tivo than PIP, both would be great too. I dont see how anyone could have a nice TV setup without Tivo, its as essential as the set itself IMO.
post #37 of 4409
The manual for the 4092 has a matrix of what combinations can be used with PIP. And there's no CableCard slot in the *92.
post #38 of 4409
Sorry for a repost, but can someone give a newbie the 10 second comparison between the 92 and 96. You'd think this would be easy to find, but it doesn't seem so.

There probably isn't a clear reason for me to wait for the 96, but just making sure. All I want is to watch tv and an occasional movie. This will be my first HDtv as well.

Thanks.
post #39 of 4409
The difference is 1080p vs 768p.

2 Million Pixels vs 1 million.
post #40 of 4409
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

they're listing 7000:1 (dynamic) contrast for the 46". Is this BS? The new pana has a contrast of 10000:1 (dynamic). It seems that the new samsungs will have pretty amazing black levels and may equal the plasma's. Anyone think that Samsung is messing with the numbers. If not, they Plasma's days may be over sooner then expected. I expected that LCD would surpass plasma in the next 2-3 years but it may happen sooner!

I believe your comparing a Panny Plasma to an LCD - These are LCD TV's not Plasma's which accounts for the CR. 7000:1 is quite high for an LCD. These are some of the nicest LCD FP's I've seen. CR by nature of PDP's is usually higher but remember it's Dynamic not static.
post #41 of 4409
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Originally Posted by Timl2 View Post

Photos of the LN-S4696D and LN-S4662D

http://www.timlarson.com/samsung/SamsungLNS4662D.htm

Awesome Pictures! Thanks.

I'm holding out for the larger 1080P Samsung LCD or PDP. 57" or 63" - Samsung seems to be getting their act together with all their new "S" seres in every type, DLP, LCD, PDP and soon to be LED.
post #42 of 4409
necrolop: Thanks for your help yesterday...I do not use a DVR/TIVO [yet]. Was busy sending my children to college for the last 6 years. Actually, I'm kind of glad I missed the beginning of the flat panel revolution, because I might have spent 7k for an early model that would be 2k now...

I am a COMCAST subscriber - they are now in bed with TIVO, and will soon[?] put out a joint product that (I hope) will make discussions of PIP largely irrelevant. But if I get the PIP, I want to understand it, so thanks to rjsen as well!
post #43 of 4409
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Originally Posted by necrolop View Post

The difference is 1080p vs 768p.

2 Million Pixels vs 1 million.

So I guess it's pretty silly to buy the old model say this weekend when the new one is coming out next month, huh.
post #44 of 4409
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Originally Posted by westa6969 View Post

Awesome Pictures! Thanks.

I'm holding out for the larger 1080P Samsung LCD or PDP. 57" or 63" - Samsung seems to be getting their act together with all their new "S" seres in every type, DLP, LCD, PDP and soon to be LED.

LED? are you talking about a 32" samsung that should be coming out this fall or 2006.

the 4696d will be a great thing to look at and get ideas of how the 46" sony x series will be like.
post #45 of 4409
Well, the Prices will be higher, so I geuss youll have to make a decision on whether the difference in price is worth it to you. If you plan on getting Blu-Ray or HD-DVD within the lifetime of this set, Id consider it. It wouldnt be totally silly to get the 768p set, cheaper price, and theres lots of 720p content to go on it. I plan on using a HTPC and a PS3 on mine so Im difinately looking for 1080p.



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Originally Posted by PhillySaxMan View Post

necrolop: Thanks for your help yesterday...I do not use a DVR/TIVO [yet]. Was busy sending my children to college for the last 6 years. Actually, I'm kind of glad I missed the beginning of the flat panel revolution, because I might have spent 7k for an early model that would be 2k now...

I am a COMCAST subscriber - they are now in bed with TIVO, and will soon[?] put out a joint product that (I hope) will make discussions of PIP largely irrelevant. But if I get the PIP, I want to understand it, so thanks to rjsen as well!

Np, I actually havn't jumped on a HDTV yet either. Ive been holding back for years. I figured a car was more important haha. But I figured now that ive waited so long, might as well get something that I can use for atleast say 4 years then give it tas a hand me down to my parents hahaha.

Ive just been paranoid that Id buy a 768p set and the next day 1080p would roll out in full force. When the Bravia information was leaked I thought it was going to be 1080p, big bummer to find out it wasnt.
post #46 of 4409
...i'm sorry guys, but on samsung website they list the 4696D has a 768p panel, not 1080p.

Am I missing something?
post #47 of 4409
post #48 of 4409
ya...I was missing that manual!

They should really change the specs on their website.
post #49 of 4409
The LN-S4696D will probably sell for $5,000 when it comes out. But you can get a refurb Sharp Aquos 45 inch for $3000 shipped today. For $2000 less it seems to me there is no contest. Am I wrong?
post #50 of 4409
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Originally Posted by trx123 View Post

The LN-S4696D will probably sell for $5,000 when it comes out. But you can get a refurb Sharp Aquos 45 inch for $3000 shipped today. For $2000 less it seems to me there is no contest. Am I wrong?

No Sharp to date, incluing the ridiculous 65d90u will take 1080p.

They suck.

The 4696d MSRP is something like 4800 I think, so most places should sell it for somewhere in the high 3's, I would think.
post #51 of 4409
Plus itl have an initial drop.

No contest between Sharp and Samsung? Id have to disagree, even the 40U Sharp is a POS.
post #52 of 4409
The Sharp LC-45GX6U will take 1080P through the AVC box but it may need a switch. They are true 1080P panels and from what I've read they are the best. Why do you say they suck?
post #53 of 4409
That's the model number given to me by a local retailer here in the midwest. LN-R469. Now, Best Buy and Circuit city have the LN-s4692. Both Best Buy and Circuit city list their model at $3800 while NFM lists the other model at $4780. They've told me that the tv's at the retail chains have less features and components which is why they are cheaper. Is that true? Has anyone seen differences?

Nevermind....found some info on the advizia site.
post #54 of 4409
msrp is $3,999 and $4,999

you won't find anything lower than this for these tv's, atleast at a store
post #55 of 4409
Heres the general breakdown:

LN-R469D - Last years model. 768P. Has a cable card slot/QAM tuner. I'm getting this model tuesday so I'll let you know how it is. 1HDMI port, 2 component

LN-S4692D - This years 768P. Does not have cablecardk/QAM. Has new features improving contrast and viewing angles. Blacks levels also likely improved. 2 HDMI ports, 1 component.

LN-S4696 - This years flagship 1080P. Has cablecard/QAM. Has new features improving contrast and viewing angles. Black levles also likely improved. 2 HDMI ports, 2 component.


I chose the first one because I want a tv now, and need a cablecard. If I wanted to wait, I would have went for the 4696, but I guess I ended up saving myself some money. My only doubt about the 4696 is how standard definition will look on 1080p, and when sources will be available for that resolution. So far ps3 games are a no go, so I guess the sole source will be HD DVD/Blue ray. However, if you have the patience and money I'd hold out until june when the 4696 will hit retail chains, its seems to have the best of everything.

Doug
post #56 of 4409
Perfect info. Thanks! While I would love to get one today, I'm going to wait for June and get the 4696. In my area, suburb of KC, there are only horror stories of using cable cards. Every single place I have been has said to stay away from them. I guess the've got it figured out in most cities, just not mine.

I'm not sure about the price increase. MSRP on the 4696 is rumored at $4999 I think. Current models in my area are:

LN-R469 -- $4780 (only found one retailer that actually has this model)
LN-S4696 -- $3799.

I was set to buy the R469 until I found out about the cable cards, then did some research and found the 4696. The 4696 won't be much higher than that so I'm waiting.

Good luck with yours. They all seem wonderful to watch for my eyes.
post #57 of 4409
MSRP wont hold. I dont plan on buying this TV till September so I can let it drop a tad.
post #58 of 4409
Good choice - you wont regret the decision. I actually dont care about the cable card, I just like having a QAM tuner. With it, I can just plug my $15 a month basic cable into the back of my television and get about 10 HD channels and 80 digital channels. Saves me a lot of money compared to getting Digital Cable and a Box.

Even if you dont care about the Cablecard/qam, the 4696 is still going to give you a better picture then the 469 will. And from what I understand, you can turn off the DNIe function by setting the input to "movie mode" on the new models, another plus.

Doug
post #59 of 4409
How can you get 80 Digital Channels and 10 HD channels for $15? I have satellite, but I have Cable for internet(and have to pay for basic cable) If I hook it up to this TV, it will receive 80 Digital Channels and 10HD channels? Why is that if Im not paying for them?
post #60 of 4409
HD and digital channels come in two flavors, Unencrypted and encrypted. If you have a QAM tuner, you can get all the digital and HD channels that are unecrypted, and you need the cable card for the encrypted (premium) ones. Most cable providers dont encrypt the local channels in HD, so you can get them with QAM.

With my qam tuner I get HD PBS, NBC, ABC, WB, FOX, HBO, CBS, and a few others I rarely watch. How HBO got in there I have no idea, but the cable guy said not to worry about it, I'm not doing anything illegal and just be happy it comes in.

Unfortunately, I cant get discovery HD as it is encrypted, but its a small price to pay for all the other channels.

Digital wise, I hardly look through them all, but I would say I have about 50 music channels, and 30 or so regular channels, cant tell you what they are off the top of my head though.

So, its worth a shot when you get your new set. Plug in the cable that goes to your modem and do a channel search. Go through each channel individually, my HD channels show up as strange numbers between 118 and 130. For example, some of my channels are 125.14 or something like that.

Doug
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