PSB Speakers Owners thread - Page 52

Question. When running in conjunction with a Subsonic 6i, what are the optimal crossover frequencies for the C60, T65's & S50's?

hmmmm?

And while we're at it,

with 2 x 6i's - crossover's with S50's, T55's & Alpha B1's

c'mon. help a dude out

Quick question for experts here:

So I'm happy with my T45/C40 setup, I also have the SVS PB-10 subwoofer which sounds great with a Denon 1909. My question is, given that the Audyssey set the sub eq at 80hz, so the sub handles the lower freq's, what happens then to the 2nd woofer in the t45? From what I understand about the T45, is the first woofer (under the tweeter) is xovered for midrange, while the 2nd woofer is xovered for lower notes. Now if I'm cutting out of lower freq's that the normally the 2nd woofer would produce, is the 2nd woofer then being used less??? Maybe someone can explain the specs from PSB better to me?

"T45: Crossover 2,200Hz, B3; 500Hz, LR4"

I'm just curious here, as I'm planning to pick up the B15 soon for surrounds, but wonder with a sub if there is any noticeable audio difference between the two with my given setup.

Just trying to understand how to optimize everything I have, thanks!

Couple of quick questions here, but pretty important

1. C60 centre speaker. will it work in the cut-out in the wall as provided for in the picture below?




and,

with the T65's being front ported, what is a good minimum distance to place them in front of a wall?

The bottom woofer plays from 30Hz to 500Hz, the 2nd woofer from 500Hz to 2200Hz. Your slected crossover frequency will remove the 30HZ to 80Hz portion of the signal to the lower woofer which frees it to handle the midbass and lower midrange better.

Difference between the T45s compared to that of the B15s and your sub? If the answer to that question is yes, then their sure will be a big difference in bass response. There will be more bottom end apparent with teh 2nd combo over the towers.

my coment on the T65 towers.....move them at least 16" as aminimum from the wall if not more. I dare say 24" as these speakers produce substantial bass and having them to close to the wall will make the base sound bloated and boomy.

Sorry, I was unclear I meant to compare:

a) T45+PB10 sub vs.
b) B15+PB10 sub

I'm just wondering if I will hear any audible difference in SQ in the two setups. I know the towers will go louder naturally, but some say I should hear better "seperation"? Any good way to test this out so I can hear for myself? Or any other benefits of having the two woofers instead of the one for the b15 (except for the obvious with frequency response)?

BTW, I listen to a bit of Nora Jones, but I mainly listen to hip hop / rnb (modern) / salsa / house music, not a big classical / jazz fan to help put it in context.

If your looking at bookshelves I would get the b25s. I use b25s as mains in my setup (although my room is 11x11) and they get the job done...although I would see them lacking in a bigger space. If I had more room I would of gotten the towers. Towers always sound better.

I already have the T45/C40 setup. Just wondering on the gains of having the tower with a sub vs just the bookshelf version.

The T45s have better power handling capabilities and the midrange are just a bit bigger, clearer, and more resolving. Thats where I found the differences.

Uhh, dimensions? Whatever you put in there, it will probably benefit you to put it at least flush with the wall, if not out a bit further, and possibly angled up a bit. (Cheap easy method might be a pair of rubber doorstops).


To add to 3db's advice, I really think you should play around with it. When I moved my towers further away from the front wall, I LOVED the results.


They may always sound better to you, but some experts point out that bookshelves are often less prone to cabinet resonance. Cheers.

What does "more resolving" mean? I think you mean the mid range is fuller when you mean "bigger" right? Just trying to get this all.

dimensions, uhmmm, pretty much custom sized to fit the speaker.

will get the joiner to fit some rubber support (invisibly) to angle the C60 towards ear height/

T65s and C60. Room dimensions 23' x 23' with center vault 'A' ceiling (ceiling height at wall is 8' and middle of vault is 13'). The 65s are 14' apart and 7" from the front wall. The rear sofa is 16' from the center. Other equipment: onkyo tx-nr906, pioneer bdp 51-fd (fw ver. 1.17), and svs 20-39PCi sub. Input is hdmi.

Is there a minimum distance the 65s should be from the front wall, and same for the 60? Should the fronts and center be on the same line, should the 65s be toed-in?

My primary issue is with cd stereo. Am I expecting too much from the onkyo and pioneer for stereo sound. Do I need separates for music? Does sound quality improve with analogue inputs. I realize this may cross multiple threads.

side bar: I have a $50 pc 2.1 system which has much more range/depth, side-to-side stereo movement, seamless bass, etc. than my multi-thousand dollar main room system. How is this possible? thanks, fried

Man where to start?


The speakers should not be up against the wall. Ideally they should be on the same line but if your receiver will do distance compensation it does not mater. They should probably be toed in.


No, no, and no.


You are listening near field to your $50 pc system and you have the main system set up poorly. It sounds like you have room issues, but first make sure the equalization isn't screwed up on the AVR. After that, try pulling the speakers out from the wall. Start with some near field listening (speakers closer to you than the walls), then push things back until the sounds starts to get screwy. At that point you'll know what compromises you have to live with regarding speaker positioning vs. sound quality. Maybe post back here at that point.

I have a question and a comment as my first post.

First a comment. I originally purchased a Denon 3806 to power this setup. It supposedly is one of the higher end receivers (at the time) with a real power supply and 120 WPC. Well, I was disappointed in how my T55's sounded when pushed. I invested in a 7 channel NAD amp and used the Denon as a preamp and WOW what a difference. These speakers need a real amp to come alive.

Now on to my question - I have a Martin Logan dynamo sub that is suppose to be good with both audio and movies (LFE). How do I wire this to my Denon to get the best of both worlds? The dynamo has inputs for line in, speaker level and LFE. Right now I have it just from the LFE out on the amp to the LFE on the sub. Should I also have separate lines to the line in or speaker level for music, or is the LFE sufficient. Also, any suggestions on cuttoff in this setup for the T55s?

One more thing - anyone ever upgrade from a T55 to a T65 and notice any big benefit? I like bass

The way I understand it, you're doing it right as is.


I've never done the upgrade, but my T65s have a fair amount of low-end, more than I expected. I think it's somewhat of an odd question, though, given that your sub should be handling it...

Thanks for your comment. I also use a 7ch NAD, and I can tell you that my HT is pretty dynamic!


To use different bass mgmt setups b/w stereo and HT, it could be either tricky or involve hassle everytime you switch. If you want it to be easy, stick with the LFE to, well, get LFE.


While the T65s are significantly larger, I would honestly recommend getting a new sub. I'm familiar with the Dynamo, and I know its well liked, but IMHO you can do a whole lot better. Something like that is really meant for ultra-small form factor coupled with a budget that is not sky-high. It simply does not have enough extension or output, IMO, and I am a lover of ML product, using Summits for the stereo...

Quick question - would the B25s work with an Onkyo 606 receiver?

yes. They are pretty easy to drive.

Hi Everyone,

I'm looking to sell my PSB T45/C40 combo. They are only a few months old and in great condition. I still have original packages and manuals w/spikes. PM me if your interested.

Thanks

Interesting that this would be posted now.
I was about to post that I have had the C5 center channel speaker for several years now, matched with Stratus Bronze for mains. I have never been happy with the C5 due to low, muffled treble response from the tweeters. Dialogue on films has never been clear. I thought that might be because the size of the tweeters was smaller than in the Bronze (1/2" vs. 1"). I was considering "upgrading" to the C5i since it has 1" tweeters and may solve the dialogue problem.
But Stevo's post makes me think maybe not (unless there is a problem with Stevo's unit).

So my question: is there another PSB center channel speaker available (new or used) that can improve on the clarity and crispness of the C5 and still be compatible with the Stratus series?

Thanks!

I used to live with a musican so once in a while I'll see some audio equipment laying around my house, I found some BIC's a couple of months ago and last night I found a pair of PSB Alpha B's. I set them up, using them as my surrounds and they sound pretty damn good. I'm looking to get some towers to upgrade my fronts. the Alpha T1 towers, I see them for relatively cheap. Any impressions? This is for a small/mid-sized bedroom.

I am one of those who likes a different sound every few years. I currently have Klipsch RF7, RC7 and RS35's. I use Anthem AV20 (sometimes switch to Arcam AVP700) and Sherbourne 200 watt amp.

I am considering selling the speakers and getting PSB's.
I have an offer of $1185 for B25's, C60 and S50 surrounds. New in box 1. Is this a good price?
2. Would a B25 be a better center than the C60?
3. Thoughts on B25 as surrounds vs S50.
4. What are the thoughts on this system vs what I currently have?
5.Would you consider Image towers over the B25's? Which towers.

Thanks in advance.

When I asked PSB what center to use to match up with my Stratus Golds they recommended the Synchrony series. Didn't have that kinds of money at the time so I ended up going with the Image C60 and it's been doing and admirable job. No complaints really...

I'm unfamiliar with the Alpha towers, but I have heard the bookshelves side by side with the Images, and if the differences remain the same with the towers: if you can swing it, go for the Images. There is a very significant difference, IMO.


While it might be a good price, I don't like that the surrounds represent such a huge proportion of the budget. Also note that bipole designs depend more on boundaries than the monopole type.

B25 is a better speaker than the C60 as far as not suffering lobing inherent to a horiz MTM. That being said, for being a horiz MTM, and its very affordable price point, I do enjoy my c60 very much. It will also handle more power which is definitely something I also need.

However, in typical rooms, if you have the space, I would recommend the upright B25. Actually, the best center is the one that is identical to your mains. How often is this possible? I'd guess rarely, but the one common occurence that could easily allow for it is the wall mounted flat panel.

Anyone running the Mini Theater System?

* 4 x Alpha LR
* 1 x Alpha CLR
* 1 x SubSeries 1 Subwoofer

I have not demoed them yet (closest place is 30-40 minutes away) and will before purchase but wanted to know if anyone else is running this setup and what your impressions are. I've has PSBs in the past and always liked them. My living room is on the small side so I need something small and wife friendly but still sounds good. Mostly movie watching. Will be about 10-11 feet from the TV/front speakers. I think I have the new AVR I want narrowed down to the Denon 1909/789. Any input is appreciated. Thanks.