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post #181 of 5504
Atkinson is off on a few things in his T8 review but he did nail how they do voices almost perfectly. I wouldn't classify them as on the cold side of neutral but rather slightly cool which is much more accurate than the false midbass warmth so many speakers have. I purchased the C4 and M2s last night so have the full setup now. I was hoping to get another set of the T8s for rears but none were available. I had the Paradigm S8 when they first came out and have heard them many times and the T8, to my ears, are in a completely different league in terms of accuracy, imaging and transparency.

Wes Philips has an interesting review on the T6 at Soundstage where he preferred it to the Aerial 20T. in my mind he nailed the sound much better than JA .

Wasn't looking for speakers as I am pretty happy with my Magnepan 3.6R, 1.6QR and CC3 and in the stereo rig Revel Ultimas but yesterday I was confronted with a deal on a set of PSB Platinum T8 speakers. Now PSB has never really been on my radar I'd heard them plenty of times and always found the Stratus Gold to be warmer than neutral and not my thing. Figuring the Maggies and Revel were pretty much untouchable we unpacked them and hooked them up for what we thought was a brief time and then they'd be listed on Audiogon. Boy we couldn't have been more wrong. What started as, we thought, a five minute audition lasted all night. These speakers reproduce vocals in a way I have never heard in 30 years of being into high end. The clarity and sense of a well recorded performer being in the room was literally off the map. Both the Maggies and the Revel are superb in the midrange and I thought they couldn't be surpassed but these unassuming BIG boxes are revelatory in the midband. Voices are beyond reproach, horns have just that right amount of blat as they do in real life and violins and strings are seductive when need be and piercing when called for. At this point I cannot find any discernable colouration. They are as neutral, or moreso, a transducer as I have yet to hear.
The soundstage is huge, when it's on the recording, with exceptional delineation of all layers and no truncation of the stage even to the very rear. Imaging is beyond reproach.
The bass is something I think many wouldn't expect. It first of all is deep, extending to 25 hz in my room and with NO overhang, doubling and a distinct lack of distortion. Basically a stand up bass sounds as it should and tympanis and kick drums are superb with a great sense of skin.
The highs are more accurate and musical than the Maggie's ribbon tweeter, yes I actually said that. I never, never expected that out of a dome but cymbals have that natural sparkle, that sound of wood or metal to metal and the most natural decay I have heard.
This has been the biggest surprise to me in all my audiophile "career". The only downside is their looks. Nobody will mistake these for $30,000 by their looks but they would by their sound. This speaker seems to have flown under the radar for many people and it's a shame as I have never heard anything near their price that comes close. I strongly urge you to audition these if you're looking for speaker at their $7000 list price or much higher. I have a feeling many will end up with these in their houses.
post #182 of 5504
Great review of the T8. I see them on Audiogon, so I assume you are not keeping them?
post #183 of 5504
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Originally Posted by Milord View Post

Great review of the T8. I see them on Audiogon, so I assume you are not keeping them?

Oh I'm keeping them. I sold the Maggies off.
post #184 of 5504
Very good, I like my PSB's a lot but I'll certainly keep my eyes open down the road for the T8's.
post #185 of 5504
Well, I've finally taken the jump and bought most of the stuff needed for my new HT room in my basement.

On boxing day I picked up the following:

front: Image T45s
center: C40
Rear surrounds: Four B25s
subwoofer: 5i
Projector: Hitachi HDPJ52
Reciever: Yamaha RX-v1600

Now a couple of questions

For the B25s, can they be wall mounted?
Should I hook-up the T45s Bipolar to the Yama Receiver?
What is a good gauge of speaker wire without going overboard, but yet not losing anything.


Thanks
post #186 of 5504
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Originally Posted by mavento18 View Post

For the B25s, can they be wall mounted?
Should I hook-up the T45s Bipolar to the Yama Receiver?
What is a good gauge of speaker wire without going overboard, but yet not losing anything.


Thanks

wall mounting: I believe the B25's come with a pattern for drilling holes or adding screws in the right locations, to attach brackets/wall mounts. It should be included with the paperwork in the boxes.

Speaker wire gauge: 14ga speaker wire should be more than adequate for your setup. If you are running some distances over 50 feet, you could co to 12ga, but not absolutely necessary if your right at 50 feet. Home Depot/Lowes/Menards has in-wall and standard 14ga wire for a decent price. AVS has some great sponsors as well that carry it online at great prices. Blue Jeans Cable comes to mind, but theirs is most likely just 12ga or larger.

Good Luck.

TREVOR
post #187 of 5504
Thanks Trevor,

I opened up the boxes today and noticed that it mentioned to use one of four recommended mounts, two of them being the omnimount 20.0 and 30.0 series. Now I just need to find a place in Canada that sells them at a cheap price. Unfortunately, my speakers will just have to sit here for another month or so while I finish off my HT room.
post #188 of 5504
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Originally Posted by mavento18 View Post

Well, I've finally taken the jump and bought most of the stuff needed for my new HT room in my basement.

On boxing day I picked up the following:

front: Image T45s
center: C40
Rear surrounds: Four B25s
subwoofer: 5i
Projector: Hitachi HDPJ52
Reciever: Yamaha RX-v1600

Now a couple of questions

For the B25s, can they be wall mounted?
Should I hook-up the T45s Bipolar to the Yama Receiver?
What is a good gauge of speaker wire without going overboard, but yet not losing anything.


Thanks

Hey mavento,

How to you like the T45s with your RX-v1600? I'm thinking of picking-up a pair of t45s or Alpha Ts to replace my Boston Acoustics Left, Right and Center.

On another note, are all PSB speakers made in Canada, or do they make the lower-priced models in China? If they were made in Canada, that would seal the deal for me.
post #189 of 5504
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Originally Posted by jsantos615 View Post

On another note, are all PSB speakers made in Canada, or do they make the lower-priced models in China? If they were made in Canada, that would seal the deal for me.

It's my understanding that they are ALL assembled in Canada. Though i believe Firebook23 could answer this a bit more definatively. He always seems to have the hook-up when it comes to PSB info.
post #190 of 5504
Hi,

unfortunately I haven't hooked up my stuff yet. Still working on my HT room, hoping to have it all finished by mid-feb.

Need to pick up some mounts for my Image B25s...anyone have any recommendations/links on a place with good prices?
post #191 of 5504
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Originally Posted by FoeHammer865 View Post

It's my understanding that they are ALL assembled in Canada. Though i believe Firebook23 could answer this a bit more definatively. He always seems to have the hook-up when it comes to PSB info.

Sounds promising! Thanks!
post #192 of 5504
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Originally Posted by mavento18 View Post

Hi,

unfortunately I haven't hooked up my stuff yet. Still working on my HT room, hoping to have it all finished by mid-feb.

Need to pick up some mounts for my Image B25s...anyone have any recommendations/links on a place with good prices?

Try these from Monoprice.. I've heard nothing but good things about their products, especially for the the $$ you pay.
post #193 of 5504
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Originally Posted by jsantos615 View Post

On another note, are all PSB speakers made in Canada, or do they make the lower-priced models in China? If they were made in Canada, that would seal the deal for me.

I'm pretty sure they're all made in China now (minus the Platinum series maybe). The boxes for the current Image and Stratus series speakers read "Designed and engineered in Canada, custom manufactured in China"
post #194 of 5504
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Originally Posted by subversive View Post

I'm pretty sure they're all made in China now (minus the Platinum series maybe). The boxes for the current Image and Stratus series speakers read "Designed and engineered in Canada, custom manufactured in China"

Makes sense to me. In this day and age, it seems like everyone has to do this if they have a line that has good bang for the buck.

Thanks!

Joe
post #195 of 5504
I just got in a batch of the new CW inwall series, made in China. Haven't heard any yet, but the build quality seems excellent.

Regards
post #196 of 5504
I wonder why it is that they use 2.5-way design with multiple 6.5" woofers in the regular speakers, but the in-walls are more traditional, beefier-looking 3-ways.
post #197 of 5504
Any news from CES? I have a call in, but no reports of any *new* PSBs being shown thus far.

Paul seems to think 2.5 ways are the best "bang/buck" design. I disagree and prefer 2-way or 3-ways, but he's the guy. The custom product is amazingly well done and the upper end models are basically T6s in a custom box, but sealed.
post #198 of 5504
Thanks Jsantos,

I just ordered a bunch of cable from them a couple of days ago. Needed a couple of 50' runs so I thought I'd try their cables. Indeed great prices, just hoping the quality is still there. Never thought to check the mounts though, may have to give them a try for that price.


thanks again
post #199 of 5504
post #200 of 5504
They did mention in there that the new center will have a vertically aligned tweeter and mid, nice to see that they are making good changes.
post #201 of 5504
I have just set up a new home theater in a smallish room. 12 x 10 I am using older Image series fronts and center, with new rear CW 160s in the ceiling. Using a Denon 2807 receiver. Any advice on what settings for the speakers? Small vs large, etc. I have a Hsu subwoofer.
post #202 of 5504
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Originally Posted by Ryan45872 View Post

heres a link
http://blog.ultimateavmag.com/ces2007/011007PSB/
Ryan

Nice catch!
post #203 of 5504
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Originally Posted by Brownie View Post

I have just set up a new home theater in a smallish room. 12 x 10 I am using older Image series fronts and center, with new rear CW 160s in the ceiling. Using a Denon 2807 receiver. Any advice on what settings for the speakers? Small vs large, etc. I have a Hsu subwoofer.

I'm a firm believer in letting a capable sub take care of all the lowest bass. I set my Stratus Silver-i towers to small and avoid any bass cancellation, which also allows the sub to work in 2 channel stereo where a large part of my listening takes place. I use 2 subs, a HSU and SVS sub. It took a few extra hours to calibrate, but the results were worth it.

Experiment and find out what works for you and your room.
post #204 of 5504
Hi everyone great thread. I love the PSB speakers. I was hoping for some advice. I am looking to upgrade my front speakers. Here is my setup;
Fronts: Atoms (yes the ones form the early 80's)
center: alpha center (2000)
surrounds: alpha Intro Lr (2000)
sub:reel acoustics Rsw 810 (2003)
Receiver: Yamaha RX-V520
Tv:Toshiba 32HL86
Rec room 11 feet by 13 feet. I am hoping to move to a little bigger room in the next couple of months

I was thinking to get the Alpha B1 or the Alpha T1. I would like to best pair to match my current set up and center speaker, and maybe my new home

thanks
post #205 of 5504
Hi all,

I've been pondering on buying the B25s or T45s for a while, and two days ago one of my old fronts died, so it is shopping time.

But at the moment my budget is a bit strained, so I'll probably not be able to get a new amp just yet. Today I have an old Rotel RA-820 (25W-ish, late 80's).

It should be able to drive B25's, but will it manage T45s? At the moment I have an offer for the T45s for B25-price +10% (~400 USD, I'm based in Norway) which seems like a _very_ good deal. But if I'm unable to use the speakers it's not really worth it.

So, will a small amp like that be useable for a while with T45's or will it I be unable to play at all?

kind regards,
-sig
post #206 of 5504
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Originally Posted by Psb Fanboy View Post

H
center: alpha center (2000)
surrounds: alpha Intro Lr (2000)

I was thinking to get the Alpha B1 or the Alpha T1. I would like to best pair to match my current set up and center speaker, and maybe my new home
thanks

Fanboy,
I believe you would be happier with the response from the T1's than the B1's. They just have an all around better response than the B1's.

Sigurdur,
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Originally Posted by sigurdur View Post

it should be able to drive B25's, but will it manage T45s? At the moment I have an offer for the T45s for B25-price +10% (~400 USD, I'm based in Norway) which seems like a _very_ good deal. But if I'm unable to use the speakers it's not really worth it.

So, will a small amp like that be useable for a while with T45's or will it I be unable to play at all?

I believe your amp should be just fine with the T45's. As with any speaker, you will not be able to push them to "party" levels, but normal movie and music listening levels should be fine. The B25's and T45's have the same spec on the bottom end, but more power is always recommended. Any standard mid to lower-end receivers (I recommend Denon) would have MUCH more power than your Rotel. You can find many nice receivers for $100 or a little more on ebay or even new and have plenty of power to crank them up.
post #207 of 5504
avoid any bass cancellation,
I have the the PSB Stratus Silver-i and C6i - svs 12sdi{cross over 80hz) and T+A rears.
Dedicated carvin900 amp for fronts and denon3803 for the rest.
I have been playing around with cd player set to small and in the receiver small for speakers- but changing the front from small to large and back inforth.
2ch and SACD play. Haven't really come to a conclution on what i like better.
Q? for you can you explain a little more on what you found out about :avoid any bass cancellation: using Siver-i set to either large & small what have you found.
dave



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Originally Posted by turbobuick86 View Post

I'm a firm believer in letting a capable sub take care of all the lowest bass. I set my Stratus Silver-i towers to small and avoid any bass cancellation, which also allows the sub to work in 2 channel stereo where a large part of my listening takes place. I use 2 subs, a HSU and SVS sub. It took a few extra hours to calibrate, but the results were worth it.

Experiment and find out what works for you and your room.
post #208 of 5504
My HT includes,

Front L/R : PSB Image 5T
Centre : PSB Image 9C
Surr : PSB Image 10S
Sub : M&K V1250 THX

Processor : Anthem AVM 30
Amp : Anthem MCA 50
DVD : Denon 3930CI
HD/PVR : Motorola DCT 6412
HDTV : Samsung HLR 6178
CD-R : Pioneer PDR-555
Remote : Harmony 880

Cables : Audioquest (King Cobra, Sidewinder, YIQ-5, YIQ-2, Hawk Eye, VDM-5, NRG-5, NRG-3, NRG-1, CV-6, Type 2); Shunyata Black Mamba V2 power cord

My HT is the envy of all my friends. I love my HT!!!!!
post #209 of 5504
How do you like your M&K sub? I'm going with 3 x M&K SW-150s in the front, and Sonance Virtuosos in-ceiling in the rear & side, but I can't settle on a sub. EVERYONE likes the AVS, and Velodyne seems like a good <$1k option, but I was also considering M&K, as well as the PSB 8" & 10" in-wall subs.

I'm powering everything with NOS Carver 55 amps that I picked up about 5 years ago & haven't used yet.

The Sub thing is the sticker.
post #210 of 5504
Hi Guys,

I'm a rookie here, this is my first post (I placed it also in 'Marantz Owner Thread') - please, forgive my lack of 'forum professionalism'...

Recently, I have bought Marantz SR 5001 and hooked it up with my new PSB T45 towers and C40 in the middle... I had very limited budget, so I couldn't afford the whole set of speakers for now (I threw my old fronts in rear so I can have a nice surround sound in my room).
I realize that comparing to what you present here my equipment is pretty poor... I'm just starting my adventure here.

But anyway! What I want to say here is: the 'marriage' of Marantz and PSB really works very well. Nice sound, deep bass, clean mids and highs and - what I have to add, too - PSBs look great

Before I got my T45s I tried Paradigm, KEF, DALI and Klipsch speakers. To be honest the closest to what I wanted to hear were Paradigm Monitor 9s (comparable price); I didn't like KEFs, DALI did not impress me that much (not enough to justify the price...), Klipsch were loud but this was not what I was aiming at.
I finally I went with PSBs

I spent some time looking for a receiver, too. I thought of Denon 2307 or Yamaha (can't remember the model now). I chose Marantz and I'm glad - hopefully it will work nicely, without problems.

I will appreciate any comments from you guys - what do you think of the products I got? how would you set them up to achieve better effect?

Right now, I have to excuse you guys - I'm going to play once again 'landing in Normandy' - the coolest scene from 'Saving Private Ryan'...
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