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post #2911 of 4588
I d be running them with a 5 yr old Yamaha RX V450 6.1 avr rated at 85 w X 6

Will it run the Image series fine or do I need an upgrade...?

Cheers
post #2912 of 4588
Quote:
Originally Posted by rana_kirti View Post

I d be running them with a 5 yr old Yamaha RX V450 6.1 avr rated at 85 w X 6

Will it run the Image series fine or do I need an upgrade...?

Cheers

First, to address your concerns regarding woofer sizes. I have the combo: Image T6, Image C5 and Image S5. Image T6 is the biggest floorstanding speaker in the line, with two 6 inch woofers. I do not feel any tonal misbalance with C5 as the center. Moreover, you can look up the review (click here) to see for yourself the objective frequency response match between the models in Image line

As far as your receiver goes, check what it says about working with 6 Ohm load. The whole Image line is 6 Ohm nominal, but the impedance drops to 4 Ohm at some point. My guess is that your receiver is somewhat on a weaker side. If you are contemplating about floorstanding fronts, I would look up a more powerful receiver. For B5/B5/B4 your current receiver may suffice.
post #2913 of 4588
dima,

thanks for your inputs and the links....

the avr manual says....

switch position "left"

Speaker front -

if you use one set (a or b), the impedance of each speaker must be 4 ohm
or higher

if you use two sets (a and b), the impedance of each speaker must be 8 ohm or higher

Center, Surround, Surround Back -

The impedance of each speaker must be 6 ohm or higher.



Switch position "right"


Speaker front -

if you use one set (a or b), the impedance of each speaker must be 8 ohm
or higher

if you use two sets (a and b), the impedance of each speaker must be 16 ohm or higher



Center, Surround, Surround Back -

The impedance of each speaker must be 8 ohm or higher.


I got no clue what all this means.... Could you put some light on this for me....?

Thanks




Also...

a funny question but been on my mind...

if my room size is 20 x 15 x 9

and length being 20 feet....

if my viewing distance is 15 feet then does the room length become 15 feet or is it still 20 feet ?

trying to figure this out since i'm having second thoughts about whether a Bookshelf in front will do or will i need floorstanders ?

Important aspect is that i'm mostly getting the SVS pc 12 nsd sub. and that i believe is a lot of bass. So 2 questions then...

1. if my viewing distance is 15 feet then does the room length become 15 feet or is it still 20 feet ?

2. Bookshelves will do or should i look at floorstanders for the front ?

Thanks ;-)
post #2914 of 4588
Quote:
Originally Posted by rana_kirti View Post

1. if my viewing distance is 15 feet then does the room length become 15 feet or is it still 20 feet ?

2. Bookshelves will do or should i look at floorstanders for the front ?

Thanks ;-)

When we talk about your room, it is mostly the volume of air inside your room. Obviously the viewing distance under normal circumstances is shorter than the room size. Generally, room size helps to get a rough estimate on power required... no more than that.

With the sub, bookshelves IMHO should do.

.. and your receiver seems to have a switch for 4 or 8 Ohm. Should work fine with 6 Ohm.
post #2915 of 4588
Quote:
Originally Posted by bongteo View Post

Is your ht room big enough for tower?

So I ask you a question, do you know the pros and cons between tower and bookshelf? If yes, you have already ans your question. If no, below will be the ans.

Bookshelf will give you slightly better imaging and soundstaging (abeit smaller) but poor in transient and the "ooohm" factor which is very important with orchestra music which also happen alot in movie. Eg when a passage of music need sudden loudness, tower will always do better. Tower will give you a very big soundstage (picture) which can help project a realism in movie.

Tower will give u better midbass/lowbass information better and blending of a subwoofer is much easier. Let's say if you use a sub with bookshelf, at wat crossover freq should u set? Too high and you can localize the sub and spoil the imaging/soundstaging unless maybe placement of sub at exactly between LR might help. Too low and you might not have a fuller midbass presentation. Unless you could have 2 sub and each place very near to each speaker, this way would be like how a tower work but instead you would be the designer to blend both well.

Bookshelf will have less problem in bass boom or bass peak which mean is easier to position then a tower.

Image basically are design to voice very similary which mean no matter how you pair it, it will still match in timbre. So I believe a B6 is still an excellent bookshelf and there's no right or wrong to go with plan but most important is to plan according to your room size if your budget allow.


The answer above may be my issue but I will explain as best I can and hope for some confirmation or more thoughts.

I have the following setup.
HT - Fronts PSB Image 2B, Center stratus C5, Rear Alphas (12 yrs old). Sub 5i
Pioneer Elite VSX-43, pioneer BDP-320 and a Pioneer PDP-6020.

I also have a 2 channel setup in another room with just a pair of 4T's and an old Yamaha amp/cd player.

HT room is about 15x30 with the PDP on the 15ft dimension.

OK, I love all the pieces in their own right but have not been happy with their overall cooperative performance. The HT setup is missing something. Listening to an audio CD alone on the 4Ts is much more detailed then the same CD on the multi-speaker setup down stairs. Unfortunately I mostly use the HT for concerts and the audio is as or more important then the picture.

I am considering a set of Image 6Ts for the HT in hopes that it will deliver the mid-tone detail that is missing from the current setup.

That said does anyone have any ideas that might prevent this purchase given the setup as listed ??

Thanks.
post #2916 of 4588
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nowin View Post

OK, I love all the pieces in their own right but have not been happy with their overall cooperative performance. The HT setup is missing something. Listening to an audio CD alone on the 4Ts is much more detailed then the same CD on the multi-speaker setup down stairs. Unfortunately I mostly use the HT for concerts and the audio is as or more important then the picture.

I would just try to guess, with two primary questions:
a) Is the combination of frontal speakers with the receiver in your multi-channel set-up up to the job? Have you tried listening to them in simple stereo? The frontal speakers certainly make the main sound, even in multi-channel configuration. If you do nol like how they sound in stereo, no point to think about investigating any further.
b) With your "zoo" of different speaker lines you may have tonal balance issues. i.e. sound as it passes from one speaker to another changes the audible tone.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Nowin View Post

I am considering a set of Image 6Ts for the HT in hopes that it will deliver the mid-tone detail that is missing from the current setup.Thanks.

T6- are definitely good speakers,but their strength is not just mid-tone details, you pay for two woofers in separate chambers and individual ports for a reason which is not exactly in mid-tone area. With your preferences for mid-tones I would go to a dealer, and without any purchasing thoughts ask to audition PSB Imagine B and PSB Synchrony Two B
post #2917 of 4588
I have the Imagine B and the have a serious amount of bass. I also found that I preferred the sound of the bookshelves over the floorstanders. That is my personal opinion and not a statement of superiority.
post #2918 of 4588
Quote:
Originally Posted by dima333a View Post

I would just try to guess, with two primary questions:
a) Is the combination of frontal speakers with the receiver in your multi-channel set-up up to the job? Have you tried listening to them in simple stereo? The frontal speakers certainly make the main sound, even in multi-channel configuration. If you do nol like how they sound in stereo, no point to think about investigating any further.
b) With your "zoo" of different speaker lines you may have tonal balance issues. i.e. sound as it passes from one speaker to another changes the audible tone.




T6- are definitely good speakers,but their strength is not just mid-tone details, you pay for two woofers in separate chambers and individual ports for a reason which is not exactly in mid-tone area. With your preferences for mid-tones I would go to a dealer, and without any purchasing thoughts ask to audition PSB Imagine B and PSB Synchrony Two B

a) I actually don't mind the Image 2Bs by themselves (or with the stratus C5) without the 5i sub. However they don't deliver the low end I like for the Hollywood movies. It is when everything gets put together that there is a "hole" in the frequency range.

b) All the speakers are PSB but obviously across 3 different lines. I had never considered a tonal issue with spread. Is this a common issue when the speakers are across different lines ??


Please keep in mind I am no audiophile. But there are just things missing when the same piece is played on the HT setup. There is loads of low end and adequate highs but I am missing something below voice frequencies and above the bass drum/guitar (I'm guessing here but in that range). If you own the Police "Certifiable" you know you get both the Blu-ray movie recording and the cd concert. Playing the blu-ray I get (imo) excess bass with good upper level reproduction but the CD is far more detailed on the 4Ts. I'm really just looking to reproduce the sound mix the 4Ts can give but with the lossless surround stage.

Do you think the differences with the players could account for the frequency variance ?
post #2919 of 4588
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nowin View Post

a) I actually don't mind the Image 2Bs by themselves (or with the stratus C5) without the 5i sub. However they don't deliver the low end I like for the Hollywood movies. It is when everything gets put together that there is a "hole" in the frequency range.

Is it possible that 5i not smoothly placed into the system? Have you played with crossover frequency, subwoofer volume and the phase? These should be adjusted in the receiver and on the sub. You know, people tend to set subwoofer volume higher than they should. I could never do it manually to make a good sound, thanks God I have Onkyo reciever with Audyssey MultEQ XT calibration system. It does the job pretty well. ( I cannot give you a good advise on setting your sub in the system well... since...hmmm... I could not do it right for myself. However, you might find help somewhere in this forum. I do like Audyssey though... it certainly helps to even bass responce in a room.)


Quote:
Originally Posted by Nowin View Post

Do you think the differences with the players could account for the frequency variance ?

I would say that source tends to affect the character of sound more than frequency responce. You could always swap the CD playeer and DVD - just to make sure you are correct. It would not cost you much, but some time.
post #2920 of 4588
What's better if I live in an apartment 17x10 with cathedral ceiling up to 13 ft. and listen to music at low to medium volumes (neighbors downstairs)? Floorstanding or bookshelf with a subwoofer?
Thank you.
post #2921 of 4588
^ Floorstanding towers with at least two subs....
post #2922 of 4588
To drive my neighbors out - yes, but seriously...
post #2923 of 4588
Quote:
Originally Posted by ymandj View Post

To drive my neighbors out - yes, but seriously...

Seriously.... subwoofers will drive your negnbors downstairs totally nuts, in any configuration. The lower the frequency, the easier it penetrates through walls and floors. Check out floorstanding speakers... however, unless there is good floor insulation, your neighbors still will hear you.
post #2924 of 4588
The floor insulation is pretty bad. They can hear us walking, we can hear them yelling at their kid... If I play floorstanding speakers at a low volume, am I going to loose all bass or there is some kind of frequency adjustment built in?
Maybe on the receiver side?
If not - I guess I have no choice but to keep my old bookshelves...
post #2925 of 4588
Quote:
Originally Posted by ymandj View Post

The floor insulation is pretty bad. They can hear us walking, we can hear them yelling at their kid......

They can hear almost all you can hear...so it is your call on their patience.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ymandj View Post

If I play floorstanding speakers at a low volume, am I going to loose all bass or there is some kind of frequency adjustment built in?
Maybe on the receiver side?
If not - I guess I have no choice but to keep my old bookshelves...

Loudness or Аudyssey dynamic EQ...- it corrects frequency response to accommodate nonlinearities in human hearing capability. Simpler solution- just lift up Highs and Lows by EQ.
post #2926 of 4588
Quote:
Originally Posted by jostenmeat View Post

...

My fronts will be 3x towers in the very near future. Just finished cutting all of the wood for my false wall and screen frame. Going AT, all drivers on the same plane, all identical, all vertically arrayed.

Whoa - congrats for that setup! Excellent.

What speakers are you running?
post #2927 of 4588
Paradigm Monitor 5.0 vs. PSB Image 5.0

Hi Frens,

Living Hall size in feet.

Length = 20’
Width = 15’
Height = 9’

Equipment:

Optoma HD65
Screen 110” or 120” Diagonal
Yamaha AVR RX V-450
Denon DVD 1940
Sub Woofer - SVS PC 12 NSD

I’m planning a new 5.0 setup for the above mentioned living hall.

The Setup will be used 100 % for Movies.

I ve narrowed down a few combinations..

1. Paradigm Monitor 7 + cc 290 + ADP 190

vs.

2. PSB Image T6 + C5 + S5

Yes i'm gonna go out and hear both of them.... ;-) However before i do that i realize that there a lot of fellow members here who own the above mentioned combinations....

And i'm also sure some have heard both the combinations....

I looking forward to hearing out your experiences and inputs... which one should i go in for and why ?!?

Thanks ;-)
post #2928 of 4588
Quote:
Originally Posted by rana_kirti View Post

I've narrowed down a few combinations..

1. Paradigm Monitor 7 + cc 290 + ADP 190

vs.

2. PSB Image T6 + C5 + S5

Hmm.... I certainly encourage you to listen to them both. No offence to PSB community, but Paradigm is a decent alternative. I have listened to Monitor series and somehow ended up with PSB Image set ;-). To be a fair deal, I would advise you to take a look at Paradigm Monitor 9 and Paradigm Monitor 11. Something makes me wonder that PSB Image 6T will be way richer in bass in direct comparison with Paradigm Monitor 7.
post #2929 of 4588
well i got the SVS pc 12 nsd for the sub...

so would it really matter if its a monitor 7 or a 9 or a 11 ?!?

thanks
post #2930 of 4588
Quote:
Originally Posted by rana_kirti View Post

well i got the SVS pc 12 nsd for the sub...

so would it really matter if its a monitor 7 or a 9 or a 11 ?!?

thanks

In that case you could also consider PSB Image T5 or even Imagine B and may be even PSB Synchrony B Two
post #2931 of 4588
Quote:
Originally Posted by nlpearman View Post

Whoa - congrats for that setup! Excellent.

What speakers are you running?

Hey thanks. I will (sometime very soon), have 3x T55s for front stage (all to be slightly raised on cinder blocks to fire over framing), S50s for side surrounds, and B1s for rears. One day, if I ever get enough dough together to upgrade my processor, it would be fun to try heights with perhaps B15s/B25s. I have to admit that a CMS, whether DVDO Duo or VideoEQ/Pro, is still beating the processor out slightly on the wishlist. Though I'd love to try things like XT32, dyn eq/vol or dolby vol, with a new processor. The heights would be pretty easy to install for me, and of course hidden along with the front three and various treatments behind the false wall. Cheers.
post #2932 of 4588
@ Rana this is my current setup

PSB Image T-6 Floorstanding main speakers
PSB Image B-5 Bookshelf speakers PSB Image
PSB Image C-5 centre speaker
PSB SUB 5i 10 inch Active
REL R-305 Sub bass
Denon AVR-1910 Receiver

i tested out the paradigm and the PSB side by side and found that the reproduction of the mid levels and the bass to be sharper and clearer than the paradign. thats my personal opinion however. please go and test them out and hear them for your self.

your choice in sub is excellent.
post #2933 of 4588
Quote:
Originally Posted by dima333a View Post
Hmm.... I certainly encourage you to listen to them both. No offence to PSB community, but Paradigm is a decent alternative. I have listened to Monitor series and somehow ended up with PSB Image set ;-). To be a fair deal, I would advise you to take a look at Paradigm Monitor 9 and Paradigm Monitor 11. Something makes me wonder that PSB Image 6T will be way richer in bass in direct comparison with Paradigm Monitor 7.
Yikes, I found monitors harsh and lacking any detail. Not sure if it was just me expecting too much.
post #2934 of 4588
as mentioned above I am currently running T5's as my fronts, but am underwhelmed with my alpha CLR1 (yea, I know) center.

Would you guys reccomend the C4 or C5?
post #2935 of 4588
Quote:
Originally Posted by corksens View Post

as mentioned above I am currently running T5's as my fronts, but am underwhelmed with my alpha CLR1 (yea, I know) center.

Would you guys reccomend the C4 or C5?

The C5 is the only one I'd consider for almost any Image setup... unless if space dictated the C4.
post #2936 of 4588
I just bought a pair of PSB Image T6 speakers. I notice that the serial numbers on the 2 boxes for the speakers (they come boxed individually) are not consecutive - they are off by 29... eg. xxx0100 and xxx0129

Is this normal and acceptable? I guess I want to ensure my pair are as closely matched (in terms of frequency response and veneer) as possible.

Do other T6 owners have consecutive SN?
post #2937 of 4588
Quote:
Originally Posted by WillPWR View Post

I just bought a pair of PSB Image T6 speakers. I notice that the serial numbers on the 2 boxes for the speakers (they come boxed individually) are not consecutive - they are off by 29... eg. xxx0100 and xxx0129

Is this normal and acceptable? I guess I want to ensure my pair are as closely matched (in terms of frequency response and veneer) as possible.

Do other T6 owners have consecutive SN?

Mine are not. I have a pair of Image T6 and I also could not help but notice that the serial numbers differ by about 25 or so. I also have a pair of S5 , which came in one box. However so far I took only one out of the package...
post #2938 of 4588
Quote:
Originally Posted by WillPWR View Post

I just bought a pair of PSB Image T6 speakers. I notice that the serial numbers on the 2 boxes for the speakers (they come boxed individually) are not consecutive - they are off by 29... eg. xxx0100 and xxx0129

Is this normal and acceptable? I guess I want to ensure my pair are as closely matched (in terms of frequency response and veneer) as possible.

Do other T6 owners have consecutive SN?

Mine are consecutive. I just bought them last night from my local dealer and he made a point to make sure they were.
post #2939 of 4588
In August I bought a pair of Synchrony Ones and a pair of Synchrony Twos. Neither pair had consecutive serial numbers. I emailed PSB about this as I was curious; and was told they are NOT designed to be sold having consecutive serial numbers. The grain pattern on mine matched fine. I would think with the Image line it would be even less of an issue, as they are vinyl wrapped, not real wood veneer.
post #2940 of 4588
Thanks for the responses folks... I also just checked the Stereophile issue where Atkinson measured the T6 speakers and notice that even the ones they got to test were not consecutive SN... also non-consecutive with the Synchrony speakers he tested.
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