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post #3331 of 4577
6/14/11 at 1:00pm
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Originally Posted by MikeLo View Post

Thanks Dima333a for your response.
Same drivers between both lines, different crossover and enclosure, double the price - - double the performance? Anyone compare the two?
Thanks firebook23, sorry I wasn't more specific, was looking into bookshelf setup, but definately like those t6 towers. B6 bookshelf vs. GB1?

Image B6 Vs Imagine B
You do pay a premium for the better fit and finish of the Imagine. It has similar cone material but I think that is the only similarity in the drive unit. I would say not double the performance though.

At the same price point B6 vs GB1 I would buy the GB1's. But if you can get the B6's cheaper I would get those.
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post #3332 of 4577
6/14/11 at 1:25pm
Thanks firebook23,
I do agree there is a premium for the imagine series. Fit and finish is very nice looking on those though.

Just thinking of a future change/ hopefully upgrade. Coming from a Klipsch rf-52 setup. What other brand have you heard before going to PSB?
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post #3333 of 4577
6/14/11 at 1:47pm
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Thanks firebook23,
I do agree there is a premium for the imagine series. Fit and finish is very nice looking on those though.

Just thinking of a future change/ hopefully upgrade. Coming from a Klipsch rf-52 setup. What other brand have you heard before going to PSB?

The design of the Imagine speakers are amazing ! I remember when I first saw them at a trade show there was a flock of Chinese manufacturers taking cell phone pictures of them trying to figure out how PSB did that shape at that price.

I tried B&W and Paradigm, But for the money the PSB's where a no brainer. I find B&W over rated. You pay more for that badge and trying to impress your friends then you do for the sound. Paradigm sounded good but their industrial design sucks. I don't want to look at 4000 screw heads when I listen to music
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post #3334 of 4577
6/14/11 at 6:39pm
I compared an Image T5/C5 setup with an Imagine B/C setup and found the soundstage much more unified and clear with the Imagines. Speaker configuration was professionally done in both tests using the same source material. My local retailer has terrific deals on most PSB speakers and I was able to get a pair of Imagine Bs for what the T5s would have cost at Crutchfield.
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post #3335 of 4577
6/14/11 at 10:19pm
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Originally Posted by firebook23 View Post

I would rather get the new Image T6 tower speakers then the GDesign GT1 Tower Speakers

That is what I have ( Image T6), and in all honesty I am very very very happy. Image is somewhat budgetary in terms of decoration and design. You do not pay extra for wooden veneers or fansy box shape. On the other hand, Image T6 is very advansed in terms of construction. It is a true 3-way design, and mind it, each driver works in its own volume. The shape of the box is not critical, since it affects only woofers. The lows in T6 are pretty decent. In case of Image T5 or Imagine T, you get 2.5 way design, when the same driver has to work in low ins mids at the same time and in the same volume. tweeter is identical from Image line all the way to Synchrony (!). The only thing that bothers me is the components of cross over filter. In case of Image line those use just regular cheap parts... i.e. coils with iron cores, electrolytic capacitors...
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post #3336 of 4577
6/15/11 at 7:59am
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Originally Posted by dima333a View Post

That is what I have ( Image T6), and in all honesty I am very very very happy. Image is somewhat budgetary in terms of decoration and design. You do not pay extra for wooden veneers or fansy box shape. On the other hand, Image T6 is very advansed in terms of construction. It is a true 3-way design, and mind it, each driver works in its own volume. The shape of the box is not critical, since it affects only woofers. The lows in T6 are pretty decent. In case of Image T5 or Imagine T, you get 2.5 way design, when the same driver has to work in low ins mids at the same time and in the same volume. tweeter is identical from Image line all the way to Synchrony (!). The only thing that bothers me is the components of cross over filter. In case of Image line those use just regular cheap parts... i.e. coils with iron cores, electrolytic capacitors...

Hi Dima333a,

That is exactly why I bought the T6's that extra mid driver makes the world of difference. A great speaker for sure!
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post #3337 of 4577
6/15/11 at 2:29pm
New member, long-time PSB owner.

Got a pair of Image 5T's from about 2000 or so, and a C60 center channel.

Love 'em, always have, and can't seem to want to replace them!

These were bought from the (in)famous Steve Zipser of Sunshine Stereo. From the moment I auditioned them, I knew they had to go into my listening room

The dual 5.25's are great for my music, mostly hard rock/metal, and they are especially wonderful, for example, on Metallica's double bass drums
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post #3338 of 4577
6/15/11 at 9:03pm
If I understand correctly, both the Image and Imagine lines use the same style LR4 crossover filter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linkwit...93Riley_filter. It is certainly not 'regular cheap parts.' You can read for yourself on the PSB site. The main difference in the 2 lines is the cabinet construction and veneers. I listened to the Image T6 and Imagine T side by side, same source, same music, was much more impressed with the T6. In the dark cherry it looks almost the same as the Imagine lines real wood from a distance. Real wood does not make the difference for me. I'll be going with the Imagine S surround and Image T6 for the front.
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post #3339 of 4577
6/17/11 at 5:20am
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Originally Posted by Sound Master BIC View Post

If I understand correctly, both the Image and Imagine lines use the same style LR4 crossover filter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linkwit...93Riley_filter. It is certainly not 'regular cheap parts.' You can read for yourself on the PSB site.

Let's not confuse type of crossover filter and quality of the components. Coils with iron cores and elecrolytic capacitors are not the best choice. On the other hand, many speakers in this price range use the same. I did look up inside the speaker. The best components would be non electorlytic capacitors and coreles coils.
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post #3340 of 4577
6/17/11 at 5:34am
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Originally Posted by dima333a View Post

Let's not confuse type of crossover filter and quality of the components. Coils with iron cores and elecrolytic capacitors are not the best choice. On the other hand, many speakers in this price range use the same. I did look up inside the speaker. The best components would be non electorlytic capacitors and coreles coils.

Did you happen to take any pics? What would be higher quality components?
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post #3341 of 4577
6/17/11 at 7:49am
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Originally Posted by dima333a View Post
Let's not confuse type of crossover filter and quality of the components. Coils with iron cores and elecrolytic capacitors are not the best choice. On the other hand, many speakers in this price range use the same. I did look up inside the speaker. The best components would be non electorlytic capacitors and coreles coils.
I don't have the speaker nor have I looked inside one to see the xover, I have confirmed however that the Image & Imagine share the same xover which is also used in the Synchrony line, I also understand that Linkwitz-Riley filters are some of the best in the world used by many of the top names available. The difference is at what frequency each is crossed over and of course the tuning of each cabinet in the PSB lines.
You do know of course that removing any component from the cabinet VOIDS your warrenty, and they can tell if something has been unscrewed!
I look forward to getting my surrounds and 6's soon, and I will not be looking inside the cabinet, I trust that Mr. Barton has put it together with quality in mind.
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post #3342 of 4577
6/17/11 at 8:03am
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I don't have the speaker nor have I looked inside one to see the xover, I have confirmed however that the Image & Imagine share the same xover which is also used in the Synchrony line, I also understand that Linkwitz-Riley filters are some of the best in the world used by many of the top names available. The difference is at what frequency each is crossed over and of course the tuning of each cabinet in the PSB lines.
You do know of course that removing any component from the cabinet VOIDS your warrenty, and they can tell if something has been unscrewed!
I look forward to getting my surrounds and 6's soon, and I will not be looking inside the cabinet, I trust that Mr. Barton has put it together with quality in mind.
How did you confirm this?

There is NO way the crossovers are the same... same slope maybe...
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post #3343 of 4577
6/17/11 at 8:22pm
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I don't have the speaker nor have I looked inside one to see the xover, I have confirmed however that the Image & Imagine share the same xover which is also used in the Synchrony line,.....

Crossover filters are different in terms of components, frequencies ... an so on

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Originally Posted by Sound Master BIC View Post

I also understand that Linkwitz-Riley filters are some of the best in the world used by many of the top names available.

Just to give you somewhat explanatory analogy....Linkwitz-Riley filter is like convertible car. It is type of а filter. Yes, it is not the simpliest and not the easiest to implement... however, as convertible cars can be super expensive Bentleys and somewhat budgetary Volkswagens, the same way Linkwitz-Riley can be made with cheaper components and premium components. That makes the difference.
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post #3344 of 4577
6/17/11 at 9:37pm
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Originally Posted by dima333a View Post

Crossover filters are different in terms of components, frequencies ... an so on

Imagine T and Image T5 share the same crossover frequencies. (1800Hz, 800Hz)
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post #3345 of 4577
6/18/11 at 5:50am
Well I'm totally new to the PSB group, and when I mean new, I recently got one PSB center. I had never really heard of the PSB line since it's not retailed anywhere in my area.

I got an old PSB Image 8C center...for $2. When I initially got it, I was unsure what I had, as there is no info on the speaker itself. But once I check online and here, I was pleasantly surprised. It sounds great and I love how clear the sound for voices and crisp it is...now I know my comparison is limited from my knowledge...but still.

Now most of my system is old and hand me downs..but looking to improve. Greatly! Looking for opinions on surrounds, that won't break the bank...and of course PSB if possible...but since I can't get them here, wonder where and what I should be looking for?
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post #3346 of 4577
6/18/11 at 6:45am
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Originally Posted by kiwi2 View Post

Imagine T and Image T5 share the same crossover frequencies. (1800Hz, 800Hz)

Yes, they do. In principal, Imagine T is a refined version of Image T5 If you look at Imagine Mini, it looks like a better version of Image B4 and Imagine B has a lot of similarities with Image B5

However, in my personal opinion, it would be too general statement that they all use the same filters. In the price range of Imagine line I would expect premium components in crossower. Iron core coils as well as electrolytic capacitors introduce additional nonlinearities into the system... and thus into the sound.

Elements of crossover inside T6
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post #3347 of 4577
6/20/11 at 9:42am
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How did you confirm this?

There is NO way the crossovers are the same... same slope maybe...

I went back to the retailer I had spoken with about it first and asked him about the crossovers used and he was sure that 'the same was used in the Synchrony, Imagine and Image.' I since however, spoke with someone at PSB and they assured me that is not the case. Those of you who chimed in are more or less correct, LR4 being the type of crossover but each line had it's own designed specific. I stand corrected. Don't trust the retailer.
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post #3348 of 4577
6/24/11 at 8:02pm
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Originally Posted by MikeLo View Post

double the price - - double the performance?

Depends on where you look. When I bought my Imagine T's last year, they were $1200 for the set, the Image were $900 a set.
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post #3349 of 4577
6/25/11 at 9:09am
Out my way the best price on Imagine Ts are $1499 and Image T5s are 699
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post #3350 of 4577
6/30/11 at 6:51am
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Out my way the best price on Imagine Ts are $1499 and Image T5s are 699

NEVER pay retail price, there is always someone else who will sell it for less!
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post #3351 of 4577
7/1/11 at 5:33am
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NEVER pay retail price, there is always someone else who will sell it for less!

Those seemed like great prices to me especially compared with some of the big online retailers.
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post #3352 of 4577
7/1/11 at 11:59am
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Those seemed like great prices to me especially compared with some of the big online retailers.

Sounds like good prices to me too. They're well below US retail.
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post #3353 of 4577
7/1/11 at 4:07pm
I was going to buy the Image T6 untill I heard the Imagine T's. The ImagineT's sounded so much better to me. I should have them in about a week. I hope my Onkyo will run them.
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post #3354 of 4577
7/1/11 at 6:38pm
Well I was glad to see a "PSB" thread. I don't check the "Speakers" section to much, more in TVs and Recr's/Amps.

I've got a pair of PSB 500 Century I'm dusting off and fianlly going to use as a result of finally upgrading the AVR from a 10+yr old Denon to a new 7.1 Yamaha RX-V671. Cannot wait to hear these 500's again. Just in two channel mode they were something. So hi to fellow PSB owners


Kenny J

Sony Z5100 52"
Sony BDP-360 player
Boston 9000 micro 5.1
PSB 500 Century Series (pair)
New Yamaha RX-V671 replacing Denon 1801
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post #3355 of 4577
7/2/11 at 11:02am
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So hi to fellow PSB owners


Welcome!
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post #3356 of 4577
7/4/11 at 1:16pm
I just bought the Imagine Ts and Imagine center and am driving them (along with the other inwall speakers in my 9.1 system) with an Onkyo nr5008.

Reference volume on my tunes is beautiful. Crystal clear and can feel the music!

I am lovin' them.

tom
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post #3357 of 4577
7/8/11 at 1:12pm
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When measuring frequency response from same position there is a 14- 22 dB loss in the frequency range 1 - 2.5 khz. This is with respect to both the centre speaker and the the 100 - 440 hz band ( as well as band above 5 kHz )

Peter
Got the report back why my speaker was faulty - the 0.75 Ohm resistor that's part of the mid-range crossover unit was pretty much burnt out on both the speakers ! I guess the previous owner must have had quite a party! Looks like the resistor protects the driver - not a bad idea in the design
Peter
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post #3358 of 4577
7/13/11 at 2:18pm
Anybody know where I can find a graph showing impedance vs frequency for the Synchrony Two?

I've seen the measurements for the Synch One, the Imagine T and B, the Image, etc, in Stereophile, but I haven't been able to find anything online for the Synchrony Two.
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post #3359 of 4577
7/15/11 at 9:42pm
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Originally Posted by beaveav View Post

Anybody know where I can find a graph showing impedance vs frequency for the Synchrony Two?

I've seen the measurements for the Synch One, the Imagine T and B, the Image, etc, in Stereophile, but I haven't been able to find anything online for the Synchrony Two.

call psb 800-463-4641
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post #3360 of 4577
7/16/11 at 2:29am
hi, I cant decide to buy the psb image t6 or a kef q500, what whould you guys prefer??
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