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post #4021 of 5482
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

How do you like the xpa-3?
I am very close to buying one to go with my onkyo 809 and my image b6/c5 combo

For my Synchrony's, which are 4 ohm speakers, the XPA-3 delivers 300 Watts RMS per channel. I would call that power to spare. The XPA-3 is neutral-sounding (which is good), and has been reliable and trouble-free since I purchased it over a year ago. And driven hard, it barely gets warm to the touch. In summary, I like it a lot, and recommend it highly.
post #4022 of 5482
Thanks for the response. Did you notice any improvement in sound quality, soundstage, detail etc?

Thanks again. Glad to hear you like it
post #4023 of 5482
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

Thanks for the response. Did you notice any improvement in sound quality, soundstage, detail etc?
Thanks again. Glad to hear you like it

I did not notice such differences. My AVR has fine amps, so I would have been surprised it I had heard any difference.
post #4024 of 5482
I was reading the specs on the Denon 4250 CI it's rated @150 watts 2 channel driven, what would you say the difference is as far as the sound goes of the DENON 4250 by itself before you added the amp AUSTINJERRY?

I have the bug I ordered my speakers imagine T2'S and a imagine c, thinking of just going to a 3.2 instead of full ht.

I gonna be breaking them in with my Denon AVR-991 for now, then going to upgrade my AVR set up.

My plan is to add another HSU SUB, on the AVR front my top contenders are the DENON 4250CI, the MARANTZ AVR 7007, the amp part is kind of difficult too much info too many opinions too many choices you know what I mean, my wish list on amp would be one of the following amp brands OUTLAW or Parasound.

I know EMOTIVA is another choice but I have a feeling that I wont get What I'm looking for out of the Emo amp.

Bottom line I want great sound, nice clean power, at any volume during my music listening sessions or for movies, music 80%, movies 20%.

Any recommendations
post #4025 of 5482
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Originally Posted by LIKEAUDIO View Post

I was reading the specs on the Denon 4250 CI it's rated @150 watts 2 channel driven, what would you say the difference is as far as the sound goes of the DENON 4250 by itself before you added the amp AUSTINJERRY?
I have the bug I ordered my speakers imagine T2'S and a imagine c, thinking of just going to a 3.2 instead of full ht.
I gonna be breaking them in with my Denon AVR-991 for now, then going to upgrade my AVR set up.
My plan is to add another HSU SUB, on the AVR front my top contenders are the DENON 4250CI, the MARANTZ AVR 7007, the amp part is kind of difficult too much info too many opinions too many choices you know what I mean, my wish list on amp would be one of the following amp brands OUTLAW or Parasound.
I know EMOTIVA is another choice but I have a feeling that I wont get What I'm looking for out of the Emo amp.
Bottom line I want great sound, nice clean power, at any volume during my music listening sessions or for movies, music 80%, movies 20%.
Any recommendations

I can't say. I had the XPA-3 before I purchased the 4520, so from day one I was using the Emotiva. Don't know what you mean when you say you won't get what you are looking for with the Emotiva. There are quite a few Emotiva users who would try and convince you otherwise. Regardless, your priorities seem to be correct--get great speakers first (and the T2's fit that description), then get the right AVR (based on features, like Audyssey XT32), and finally decide on an external amp (but only if you need it).
post #4026 of 5482
What would you say would make someone need the amp. I will be driving my b6/c5 with a onkyo 809. My room is 13x17x8 but opened to tr kitchen and I have a svs pb12.

I listen 75/25 movies to music. At -25 to ref loud

Would I benefit?
post #4027 of 5482
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

What would you say would make someone need the amp. I will be driving my b6/c5 with a onkyo 809. My room is 13x17x8 but opened to tr kitchen and I have a svs pb12.
I listen 75/25 movies to music. At -25 to ref loud
Would I benefit?

The 809 at 135w/channel should be able to drive your speakers. If you cross over at 80Hz, the 809 should have plenty of power.

Would you benefit? One can never have too much power. wink.gif Let your ears be the judge.
post #4028 of 5482
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

I use the Emotiva XPA-3 for my Synchrony One towers, which are similar to your T2's (nice speakers, BTW). I can't comment about using the pre-outs on your AVR, but on my Denon 4520, there is no noise being added by the AVR or the amp.
In my opinion, your sound quality would be significantly improved by using the Audyssey MultEQ XT that comes with your receiver. When I listen in direct mode, the sound is flat and uninteresting. And, AFAIK bass management is disabled in direct mode as well, so no sound is coming from you sub (assuming you have one).

Btw, really nice speakers you have and nice AVR? I am glad to hear that you are one of the people that has no noise since you use the same brand AVR in which Denon/Marantz are the same company (although yours is a much better AVR). You have a set up that I drool for.

I have configured my setup with Audyssey MultiEQ XT but only use 7.2 during movies. I am caught in the middle of switching out my system as I am moving from Kefs. I have two subs, one PSB sub series 200 near the front and a Kef Q400 near the back because my basement has an opening near the couch where my wet bar is. So this 7.2 set up fills the room nicely with the subs. I am quite pleased on the sound for HT what I want to improve is the sound in 2 channel. Maybe I don't focus on the sound in movies because I have a 106 inch screen with a Panasonic 7000u. My set up is confusing because the screen also drops in front of a Pioneeer Kuro( TV is old but don't want to get rid of it) My basement room is 20 x14

I don't want the sub during music and want pure 2 channel sound. I know this might sound funny to some members here but I like the sound without the sub. I like to just sit and read on my iPad while I listen to music or go through hundreds of pics I shot at the studio (sometimes scotch might be involved). I listen to classic rock and jazz on my NAD 546BEE cd player so I was thinking of getting a preamp with the power amp. Is there even a way to switch from the preamp+power amp combo for music and then power amp + AVR for HT?

I am kind of set on getting the Parasound A23 or the NAD 275 even though I heard great things about Emotiva. Do you think just hooking up a power amp to AVR is gonna be sufficient or is the preamp the way to go? Hopefully this long story gives a clear understanding of what I am looking for.

Thanks
post #4029 of 5482
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Originally Posted by tekjunkie28 View Post

Anyone here former monitor audio owners? I'm thinking about auditioning some new speakers mainly bc idk if the monitor audio sound is what I'm looking for.

I never owned Monitor Audio speakers but A/B'd them with the PSBs in the same price range. My wife and brother listened as well and we unanimously agreed on the PSBs. I should say that my wife is not into AV stuff at all but really noticed the difference.
post #4030 of 5482
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Originally Posted by LIKEAUDIO View Post

I was reading the specs on the Denon 4250 CI it's rated @150 watts 2 channel driven, what would you say the difference is as far as the sound goes of the DENON 4250 by itself before you added the amp AUSTINJERRY?
I have the bug I ordered my speakers imagine T2'S and a imagine c, thinking of just going to a 3.2 instead of full ht.
I gonna be breaking them in with my Denon AVR-991 for now, then going to upgrade my AVR set up.
My plan is to add another HSU SUB, on the AVR front my top contenders are the DENON 4250CI, the MARANTZ AVR 7007, the amp part is kind of difficult too much info too many opinions too many choices you know what I mean, my wish list on amp would be one of the following amp brands OUTLAW or Parasound.
I know EMOTIVA is another choice but I have a feeling that I wont get What I'm looking for out of the Emo amp.
Bottom line I want great sound, nice clean power, at any volume during my music listening sessions or for movies, music 80%, movies 20%.
Any recommendations
My opinion, and I don't want this to become some sort of "mine is better than yours" discussion, but I just recently upgraded my amp to a Parasound Halo A-31. Before doing that I spent countless hours reading reviews and opinions on various forums because I wasn't completely convinced that the extra expense was gonna be worth it. The other amp I was eyeing was the XPA-5. What made me decide on Parasound was the fact that on various forums there were a few folks who had tried both. Starting with the Emo, they ultimately all went to the Parasound and never looked back.

Didn't see one post where someone went the other direction.

My recommendation is to do like I did and google away. Lots and lots of good info out there and it makes it much more rewarding when decisions you make are based upon research rather than someone elses opinion.
post #4031 of 5482
Question for Synchrony One owners or people who have heard them....

Do you ever find the One's to be too forward or bright sounding? Reason I ask is because I have auditioned them twice and found them to be a bit bright one time.

The first time I heard the One's they were in an 18L x 14W carpeted room, but no room treatments. Powered by NAD M2 and NAD M5 CD/DVD player. They sounded absolutely awesome I thought. Very neutral sounding.

The second time they were in a slightly smaller carpeted room... maybe 14L x 12W. A few sound panels were in the room also. Powered by an unknown Simaudio (Moon) integrated, with Moon CD player. This time when the volume was higher they sounded a tad bright to me. This came through on all sorts of different material. Not sure if it was the room, components, wires or speakers? No room correction software was used on either audition.

If I bought the One's they would be going in a 13L x 17W room. I already have a NAD T175 pre and NAD m25 amp so maybe this combo would yield similar results to the other NAD gear?

Also possibly looking at the KEF R900's speakers as a second choice.

Any thoughts are appreciated.
post #4032 of 5482
^^^ I've recently looked over a ton of PSB reviews and opinions on various forums as I'm about to upgrade my FL/FR to Stratus Goldi speakers. Many of the forums I visited also talked about the Synchrony line. All glowing reports but never once did I ever see anyone mention them sounding "forward". Most all stated "neutral" to slightly warm in presentation.

I think you might have nailed it in that it was most likely due to the different room and equipment combo.
post #4033 of 5482
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Originally Posted by Vick's Pit View Post

Question for Synchrony One owners or people who have heard them....
Do you ever find the One's to be too forward or bright sounding? Reason I ask is because I have auditioned them twice and found them to be a bit bright one time.
The first time I heard the One's they were in an 18L x 14W carpeted room, but no room treatments. Powered by NAD M2 and NAD M5 CD/DVD player. They sounded absolutely awesome I thought. Very neutral sounding.
The second time they were in a slightly smaller carpeted room... maybe 14L x 12W. A few sound panels were in the room also. Powered by an unknown Simaudio (Moon) integrated, with Moon CD player. This time when the volume was higher they sounded a tad bright to me. This came through on all sorts of different material. Not sure if it was the room, components, wires or speakers? No room correction software was used on either audition.
If I bought the One's they would be going in a 13L x 17W room. I already have a NAD T175 pre and NAD m25 amp so maybe this combo would yield similar results to the other NAD gear?
Also possibly looking at the KEF R900's speakers as a second choice.
Any thoughts are appreciated.

No excessive brightness with my Synchrony One's. My listening room is 16x20, carpeted, and heavily treated. I am also using Audyssey XT32 room correction. I listen to quite a bit of music in both stereo and PLII, and also multi-channel music. Wonderful speakers.
post #4034 of 5482
PSBs do have a reputation for being neutral and some people (ahem, older males) can tend to find them a bit bright in comparison to other speakers as a result. They can also be pretty brutally honest when it comes to revealing source and equipment coloration. Lastly, the fairly wide dispersion can give you some pretty lively room interactions. So yeah, add that all together and you may find them bright in certain rooms with certain equipment. The good news is that is all pretty easy to tame if you do find it to be over the top.
post #4035 of 5482
Thanks for the replies.

I have PSB headphones and have also heard the T6 towers. I never heard any hint of brightness with either. I guess it was the room or other gear. I would agree that almost every review I have seen on PSB speakers, especially Synchrony series has been overly positive.

Scientist....why would older males find them bright? Don't we lose some of our high freq hearing as we age? I would think the opposite? Also how are they easy to tame?
post #4036 of 5482
I have the T6 towers. Never sounded too bright to me.
post #4037 of 5482
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Originally Posted by Vick's Pit View Post

why would older males find them bright? Don't we lose some of our high freq hearing as we age? I would think the opposite? Also how are they easy to tame?

From what I understand the upper end sensitivity is a psychological thing in males in general but becomes worse as you age. It's pretty well documented in the medical and scientific literature but I've never really dug into the exact reasons for it. I'd bet that if we didn't tend to loose our upper end hearing the issue would be better known and understood...

As to taming the upper end: in my case I've got Audessey engaged, some heavy drapes, and some pretty careful positioning of everything in regards to first reflection points. Worse case would be having to engage some EQ but, personally, I tend to like a flat upper end...
post #4038 of 5482
Picked up my speakers yesterday got an awesome deal that I couldn't pass. I have been playing music all day without calibrating my Denon AVR. I got the IMAGINE T2's and the Imagine Center that's it. I also have the HSU sub and it's not hook up, and let me tell you the sound coming of these speakers is incredible. One thing reading the owners manual these speakers recommended wattage is 80 to 150 watts while playing for a long period of time to prevent damage. I'll be adding an amp later on for sure for clear, clean and low level music playing. Went from Def Techs to PSB on the blind just reading online about these speakers. I must say that they are really nice speakers and the sound is amazing.
post #4039 of 5482
Congratulations. The T2's have received some excellent reviews. I suspect the sound will be even better after you run the calibration, and really good after you add the sub and set the crossovers to 80Hz.
post #4040 of 5482
Hello everyone,
I need some advice. I blew the woofer in my PSB Image 2B speakers. I've called PSB, searched the web and ebay, but can't find an exact replacement. PSB offered a similar model, but the cone is a different color and I want a woofer that matches, without having to buy two. Does anyone know where I can find a mid-bass driver model W6-14PP4-S/P? If so, please pm me. Best Regards.
post #4041 of 5482
p.s. ignore the one on ebay.
post #4042 of 5482
Hello guys! I am seriously thinking about pulling the trigger on a pair of GB1's before they're gone. Since I can't audition, I'd like to know if anyone has compared them with either the Energy RC-10's or Monitor Audio RX1's? I am particularly interested in how the highs compare to those speakers. I am 49 years old and have suffered a bit of hearing loss in the higher frequencies, and have always liked a detailed (but not harsh) sound anyways. I own both the RC-10s and the RX1s, and I am very pleased with the highs that both of these speakers produce. Would the GB1's be similar in the highs? I certainly don't want a speaker that is laid back in comparison to those 2. Thanks in advance for the input.
post #4043 of 5482
Hi,

I just purchased image t6 for my fronts and a c5 center for my living room. I like it so far. One of my friends have a pair of Alpha B1's he is willing to sell. Can i use those for the Rear's to make a 5.0 system (also will add the subwoofer in the next month or so). Would the Aplha B1's make a good rear speakers?
post #4044 of 5482
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Originally Posted by cooldude1010 View Post

Hi,

I just purchased image t6 for my fronts and a c5 center for my living room. I like it so far. One of my friends have a pair of Alpha B1's he is willing to sell. Can i use those for the Rear's to make a 5.0 system (also will add the subwoofer in the next month or so). Would the Aplha B1's make a good rear speakers?

They should be just fine for surround speakers.
post #4045 of 5482
Thanks for the info.

Also on the receiver - would a Denon 2112ci be good enough for the Image T6/C5/B1 speakers? This receiver out is 90W per channel.
post #4046 of 5482
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Originally Posted by cooldude1010 View Post

Thanks for the info.

Also on the receiver - would a Denon 2112ci be good enough for the Image T6/C5/B1 speakers? This receiver out is 90W per channel.

The answer depends on your room, what you listen to, and how loud you want the volume. You can always add an external amp at a later time if you already own the AVR.
post #4047 of 5482
Ok, I realize that most folks who post here have mostly newer PSB offerings and may not be interested in this but I want to tell you of my new purchase (new to me anyway). First let me state that I have been a VERY happy PSB owner since 1996 when I bought my first "real" loudspeaker, the Stratus Silver. At the time it was all I could afford and the extra $600.00 for the much desired and coveted Stratus Golds was beyond the budget. But that didn't stop my interest and last weekend I finally got ahold of an excellent pair of the Goldi for $700.00. Now that I've had them in the system for a week I can honestly say that they are well worth the money. Before buying, I poured all over various forums for any info I could find on these speakers and it all came up VERY favorable. They even received a "class B" rating from Stereophile magazine back in the day. I came across a few threads where they were compared to Synchrony Ones by folks who had owned both and where-as most all claimed the Synchrony's were a more detailed speaker that image well, they also said the Golds were a warmer speaker that were also quite detailed, image almost as well with a very wide soundstge and a better bottom end when put side by side. More than a few posts indicated remorse for selling their Golds.

I can personally attest to the fact that in my situation, the Golds have much more bottom end than the Silvers. It only figures considering that the Golds have a 10" woofer compared to the Silver's 6.5" woofer. Another surprise was the fact that the upper mid range seems more robust but not at all abrasive. Vocals really stand out now and things like cymbal decay is more prevalent and piano sounds fuller and more natural. I'm now able to run my front speakers set at "large" and the difference is jaw dropping when watching boisterous movie soundtracks. These are my first pair of what I would classify as "true" full range speakers.

The Silvers are now being utilized as my center channel and that is a story in and of itself. Dialogue never sounded better and pans across the stage are so smooth you really can't tell where one speaker stops and the next one starts. Perfect!

The Bronzes which have been serving as center speaks may find themselves relegated to side surround duties. I haven't decided yet as the Stratus Minis are doing just fine.

The Golds are paired up to my Parasound Halo A-31 which has plenty of watts (400wpc-4ohms) for these power hungry monsters(they weigh 90lbs each!), the sound is finally something I can truly say is at the point where any improvements beyond here are gonna be cost prohibitive. After almost two decades of searching I think I have finally found sonic nirvana.

Just thought y'all might be interested to know that a decent, "audiophile" quality PSB speaker setup can be had for less than what you might think if you just shop around a bit.

Stratus Gold, I paid $700.00 but I've seen 'em for less.

Silvers, I've seen for around $400.00

Bronze, I paid $200.00

Stratus Minis; 1 set cost $260.00, 1 set cost $300.00

Total = $1860.00

Eliminate the Bronzes and we're talkin exactly $1660.00 clams for a better than awesome 7.? surround system!
.
Edited by Torqdog - 1/12/13 at 1:31am
post #4048 of 5482
I am still trying to decide on speakers. Unfortunately there are no PSB dealers with a showroom in Phoenix (the fifth largest city in the US) for me to go listen and compare the PSB speakers. I have listened to the T6 at Wilson Audio in Tucson last month. When listening side by side to the PSB T6 and the B&W 683B I slightly preferred the 683B as it had a slightly wider sound stage and warmer midrange. I would like to listen to the PSB Imagine T and T2 before I make my decision. I read so many good posts about the T2 that I am tempted to spend the extra on them, but they are $1100 more each than the T6, since I can't hear them side by side I don't know if it is worth it.

I have done a couple more hours of listening on the B&W speakers that are at Best Buy. For most material I find the B&W 683B speakers more pleasing to the ear than the B&W CM9 speakers. The CM9 does have a wider sound stage that I prefer, but the CM9 sound too forward in the upper ranges, my wife described high female vocals as "too brassy". I have a concern that the difference in the PSB T6 and the T2 towers could be similar. I would appreciate input from those who have heard both.
post #4049 of 5482
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

Ok, I realize that most folks who post here have mostly newer PSB offerings and may not be interested in this but I want to tell you of my new purchase (new to me anyway). First let me state that I have been a VERY happy PSB owner since 1996 when I bought my first "real" loudspeaker, the Stratus Silver. At the time it was all I could afford and the extra $600.00 for the much desired and coveted Stratus Golds was beyond the budget. But that didn't stop my interest and last weekend I finally got ahold of an excellent pair of the Goldi for $700.00. Now that I've had them in the system for a week I can honestly say that they are well worth the money. Before buying, I poured all over various forums for any info I could find on these speakers and it all came up VERY favorable. They even received a "class B" rating from Stereophile magazine back in the day. I came across a few threads where they were compared to Synchrony Ones by folks who had owned both and where-as most all claimed the Synchrony's were a more detailed speaker that image well, they also said the Golds were a warmer speaker that were also quite detailed, image almost as well with a very wide soundstge and a better bottom end when put side by side. More than a few posts indicated remorse for selling their Golds.

I can personally attest to the fact that in my situation, the Golds have much more bottom end than the Silvers. It only figures considering that the Golds have a 10" woofer compared to the Silver's 6.5" woofer. Another surprise was the fact that the upper mid range seems more robust but not at all abrasive. Vocals really stand out now and things like cymbal decay is more prevalent and piano sounds fuller and more natural. I'm now able to run my front speakers set at "large" and the difference is jaw dropping when watching boisterous movie soundtracks. These are my first pair of what I would classify as "true" full range speakers.

The Silvers are now being utilized as my center channel and that is a story in and of itself. Dialogue never sounded better and pans across the stage are so smooth you really can't tell where one speaker stops and the next one starts. Perfect!

The Bronzes which have been serving as center speaks may find themselves relegated to side surround duties. I haven't decided yet as the Stratus Minis are doing just fine.

The Golds are paired up to my Parasound Halo A-31 which has plenty of watts (400wpc-4ohms) for these power hungry monsters(they weigh 90lbs each!), the sound is finally something I can truly say is at the point where any improvements beyond here are gonna be cost prohibitive. After almost two decades of searching I think I have finally found sonic nirvana.

Just thought y'all might be interested to know that a decent, "audiophile" quality PSB speaker setup can be had for less than what you might think if you just shop around a bit.

Stratus Gold, I paid $700.00 but I've seen 'em for less.

Silvers, I've seen for around $400.00

Bronze, I paid $200.00

Stratus Minis; 1 set cost $260.00, 1 set cost $300.00

Total = $1860.00

Eliminate the Bronzes and we're talkin exactly $1660.00 clams for a better than awesome 7.? surround system!
.

I used to own the Goldi with the C6i center and really like the system and thought the flagship PSBs were a big step up from the Silveri. I bi-amped them with a H/K Pa5800 and they sounded good, although I've heard them sound better with better components. I agree that they possess a nice warmth that the new Synchrony one's don't quite possess, although the newer speaker is more neutral.
post #4050 of 5482
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Originally Posted by BroncoAZ View Post

I am still trying to decide on speakers. Unfortunately there are no PSB dealers with a showroom in Phoenix (the fifth largest city in the US) for me to go listen and compare the PSB speakers. I have listened to the T6 at Wilson Audio in Tucson last month. When listening side by side to the PSB T6 and the B&W 683B I slightly preferred the 683B as it had a slightly wider sound stage and warmer midrange. I would like to listen to the PSB Imagine T and T2 before I make my decision. I read so many good posts about the T2 that I am tempted to spend the extra on them, but they are $1100 more each than the T6, since I can't hear them side by side I don't know if it is worth it.

I have done a couple more hours of listening on the B&W speakers that are at Best Buy. For most material I find the B&W 683B speakers more pleasing to the ear than the B&W CM9 speakers. The CM9 does have a wider sound stage that I prefer, but the CM9 sound too forward in the upper ranges, my wife described high female vocals as "too brassy". I have a concern that the difference in the PSB T6 and the T2 towers could be similar. I would appreciate input from those who have heard both.
I once had a pair of B&W floorstanders, the DM605 with active bass and Nautilus tweeters. "Brassy" vocals is an understatement as the whole soundfield just sounded harsh. Got rid of 'em with no regrets. I think that if you are truly interested in B&Ws, the 8xx line is a good place to start.........of course they come with a prohibitive pricetag.

I suggest that you simply do a google search by posting "B&W 683B reviews" or "B&W CM9 reviews" into the search bar and see what other who own them have to say. You might even try something like "B&W 683B vs PSB Imagine" and see what comes up.

As far as myself being able to compare the two, I have not heard the PSB Imagine line.

Good luck and good hunting.wink.gif

BTW; I had the same problem trying to audition the Synchronys. Living in Carson City is at least a 200 mile drive to the nearest dealer and even still, none had 'em setup for previewing(wassup wid dat?!!!). That's one of the reasons I figured it was worth taking a chance on secondary market Stratus Golds as referenced in my post up above. If they didn't work out, I figured I could easily sell 'em on A-gon or e-bay and not be out anything more than a trip to the shipper.
Edited by Torqdog - 1/12/13 at 12:13pm
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