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post #481 of 4588
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Originally Posted by ings View Post

But to be crystal clear, my curiosity is mostly about why is a subwoofer useful if one is using full range front speakers?

Sorry, I missed that. In my case it has to do with placement and the way my room reacts to low frequencies. With a single sub you are free to move it around your room to find the smoothest frequency response and best sound at the lower frequencies. With a pair of full range fronts, you are limited in positioning and what may be good for bass may not be good for the higher frequencies and imaging. In other words, one speaker may have fantastic bass and the other may have a bunch of peaks and dips that just kill the overall effect.

If you have a room that is low frequency friendly, then you wouldn't need to go with a sub for full range speakers. For music, I think this would be the best case. For movies you might want the extra extension that a sub would give you to hit some of the really low stuff they put in soundtracks.

I'm with you though. If I know I can't get away without having a sub, why pay more for extra drivers that you can't use.
post #482 of 4588
ings, what do you consider a "full range" speaker?
Even though many spec's say a speaker can go down to xxx ??Hz??
in a perfect acoustic chambered room, they may not really give you
the "best" sound in our unperfect rooms. My Stratus Silveri, sound very good in 2ch , however, with movies they do bottom out. and i like a sub with hirez 5.1 material.
post #483 of 4588
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Originally Posted by DAB View Post

ings, what do you consider a "full range" speaker?

A good question to which I don't have a snappy answer. But intuitively I would put all (most?) floor standing speakers in the full range category, i.e. they purport to not have any inherent performance (frequency) limitations for music, the way bookshelf speakers usually do.

Perhaps one needs to distinguish between music and soundtracks? I guess the latter, particular with some movie genres, will tend to have more low frequency content.
post #484 of 4588
I just finalized my first real HT set up and went ahead and ordered:

2x PSB Image B25's
2x PSB Image B15's
1 PSB Image C40

So excited to hear how they sound with my new Onkyo TX-SR605S and Toshiba A3 HD Player!

I had a question to you guys out there, what size stands should I use for the 25's and 15's? I am putting them in a room that measures 12x19, pretty small, and will be using them for mostly movies, if that makes a difference.

Thanks and Happy New Years!
post #485 of 4588
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Originally Posted by DAB View Post

ings, what do you consider a "full range" speaker?
Even though many spec's say a speaker can go down to xxx ??Hz??
in a perfect acoustic chambered room, they may not really give you
the "best" sound in our unperfect rooms. My Stratus Silveri, sound very good in 2ch , however, with movies they do bottom out. and i like a sub with hirez 5.1 material.

Probably something less than 2% of tower speakers are truly full range and nobody I know can afford those. With the advent of real nice subwoofers that are out there now, there is no need to spend big bucks on full range speakers.

I also own Stratus Silver-i's. I set them to small right out of the box, and calibrated my svs sub for 2.1stereo. There is no bass cancellation with the mains set to small. Why make the speakers strain when there are so many capable subs available now. Allow all the speakers to work easily within their limits and the music really comes alive.
post #486 of 4588
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Originally Posted by DaveKPSB View Post

I just finalized my first real HT set up and went ahead and ordered:

2x PSB Image B25's
2x PSB Image B15's
1 PSB Image C40

So excited to hear how they sound with my new Onkyo TX-SR605S and Toshiba A3 HD Player!

I had a question to you guys out there, what size stands should I use for the 25's and 15's? I am putting them in a room that measures 12x19, pretty small, and will be using them for mostly movies, if that makes a difference.

Thanks and Happy New Years!

This is a very nice setup, I have T45 mains/C40 center/B25 rears in my family room powered by Marantz SR-5001, was so happy with the way the B25 sounded that I'm waiting on a 12W 2-CH tube amp and pre-amp ordered, to mount the B25's on stands in my living room just for music. I will be using 18" floor stands, anything above 18" will place the tweeter over your head.

I am ordering PSB Alpha LR1 as rears to substitute the original purpose of the B25's. As soon as the Alpha's arrive I will be taking down the Sony rears.

After three weeks of having the PSB Image system up and running I can tell anyone that it kicks butt, and are on par with speakers I audition that almost cost twice their price.
post #487 of 4588
I thought i might come here to ask some questions on psb because they seem intriguing. I am looking into getting a bookshelf 5.1 system for a relatively small room with limited space. I am currently looking at the psb b25's, c-40 and psb s50 which will probably be powered by an onkyo 705s or 605s. Would the s50 be that much better for using as surrounds than the b15? Dave i am really interested on hearing your impressions on your new setup when you get everything squared away because it's almost exactly the same setup i am looking into. Thanks.
post #488 of 4588
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Originally Posted by jumpman23j View Post

I thought i might come here to ask some questions on psb because they seem intriguing. I am looking into getting a bookshelf 5.1 system for a relatively small room with limited space. I am currently looking at the psb b25's, c-40 and psb s50 which will probably be powered by an onkyo 705s or 605s. Would the s50 be that much better for using as surrounds than the b15? Dave i am really interested on hearing your impressions on your new setup when you get everything squared away because it's almost exactly the same setup i am looking into. Thanks.

What you are looking at from PSB is a very nice setup, which you will be very happy with. I would save the extra $$$ for the S50's, and get B15's. In your own words, you have a small room. Therefore, the advantage of dipoles might not be fully appreciated in a small room, when the effects produced by rear bookshelves will fill that room without any problems. Don't know what type of music you hear, but if you get into multi-channel (DVD-A & SACD) the B15's will play more efficiently the sounds produced.
post #489 of 4588
Hey PR Audio,

Thanks for the tip on Saturday Audio Exchange! I picked up a pair of B25's to go with my existing T55/C60/B25/SS6i setup and saved a chunk of change upgrading to 7.1.

Cheers,

jr
post #490 of 4588
psb system
Older System (about 12 years old) in located in the basement:

Receiver: Harmon Kardon AVR 30
Front Main Speakers: PSB 500
Center Speaker: PSB 100c
Rear Speakers: Alpha Minis
Subwoofer: PSB Subsonic III
TV: JVC 35" CRT TV

New system: Waiting for it to arrive this week:

Receiver: Marantz SR8001
Front Mains: PSB T65
Center: PSB C60
Rear: PSB B25
Subwoofer: PSB Subsonic 6i
TV: Panasonic TH58PZ700u plasma TV

I will be using the PSB Minis in the new system until I get a pair of image 10s. I am hoping for a huge gain in performance over the old system...and I thought that sounded great.
I am no expert and got started 12 years ago wanting to get a bose acoustimas system. I went into a small audio visual store and was told while bose may make an ok satellite system, if I really wanted a good flat response for home theater PSB was the way to go for the money. I'm glad I went there and got his advice.
post #491 of 4588
I was wondering if anyone could suggest a wall mount for the B15s? Thanks
post #492 of 4588
Anyone have any pics of their setup? Preferably with the t45's? I wanna get an idea so I can see how my room would look. Thanks.
post #493 of 4588
How does warranty work with psb speakers? As far as how long their covered.
post #494 of 4588
Could anyone recommend a speaker stand for the Platinum series C2?
Thanks
post #495 of 4588
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Originally Posted by rparody27 View Post

I was wondering if anyone could suggest a wall mount for the B15s? Thanks

I just used OmniMount 20's to mount a couple B15's. They support the weight just fine...

Only scary thing is you have to drill holes in the back of the B15's to mount them, since they're no mounting holes or anything. Only other option would be to go for the huge shelf like mounts...

Got 'em on Amazon but they're available a lot of places. Make sure you double-check what kind you're getting. They have one version for ceiling mount and one for wall mount.

Here are a couple pic's... Note that I mounted them to a small block of wood - that isn't normally necessary, but I needed to angle them nearly parallel with the wall do to room layout, and I needed the extra room to angle them like that... They're big for surround speakers...
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post #496 of 4588
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Originally Posted by jumpman23j View Post

Anyone have any pics of their setup? Preferably with the t45's? I wanna get an idea so I can see how my room would look. Thanks.

Here are a couple pics of my setup - T45's and a C40... Pay no attention to the ghetto entertainment center. I'm waiting on a new unit custom built, so for the meantime I just split a rack in half...

One pick with the grilles on, one without. I think I like the look of 'em without grilles better... Also added one closer one - to give you a better idea of the size... They seem bigger in person (especially the center channel) than in pics...
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post #497 of 4588
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Originally Posted by au-734 View Post

Hey PR Audio,

Thanks for the tip on Saturday Audio Exchange! I picked up a pair of B25's to go with my existing T55/C60/B25/SS6i setup and saved a chunk of change upgrading to 7.1.

Cheers,

jr

I'm glad it worked out for you...Be careful, 'cause good prices for great equipment can be addicting, I am purchasing a pair of PSB Alpha LR1's from them, and a NAD C315BEE amp, which they gave me an excellent price on.
post #498 of 4588
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Originally Posted by rparody27 View Post

I was wondering if anyone could suggest a wall mount for the B15s? Thanks

B-Tech B77, no drilling into the speaker involved, very safe, and sturdy.

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Originally Posted by jumpman23j View Post

How does warranty work with psb speakers? As far as how long their covered.

5 yrs. with the manufacturer. REGISTER YOUR SPEAKERS ONLINE OR VIA MAIL WITH THE INCLUDED WARRANTY REGISTRATION CARD.
post #499 of 4588
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Originally Posted by rparody27 View Post

Could anyone recommend a speaker stand for the Platinum series C2?
Thanks

These should do the trick! http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ENCST
post #500 of 4588
Guys ... I'm desperate !!! If anyone knows anywhere I can buy a Stratus center channel to match my Silver i's ... PLEASE let me know .... I've been searching forever. It needs to be the newer " i " version.
Thanks
post #501 of 4588
I love bass, and I like detailed midrange and treble, but I think my speakers are a little bright sounding. It's not horrible, but I would like to reduce the brightness if I can.

I just went through an upgrade marathon in the last year. I went from the original PSB Image line to the newest Image line and from the Marantz SR8000 to the 14EX and now to the SR9600. I have also moved and set up my gear in a new room which is a little hard (not much furniture, no drapes, no ceiling tiles etc). In my adventure I have come to the realization that my speakers are quite bright, something that the person buying my SR14EX especially noticed. Coupled with the revealing and detailed SR9600 it is proving to be a little harsh and bright overall. I need to tame things down. Here is what I plan to do after I paint the room for the bat-cave requirements of using a projector:

1) Hang some drapes and/or other objects on the side and back walls and put something on the ceiling to absorb/difuse some of the higher frequencies.

2) Get some more furniture and bookshelfs/dvd/cd stands and other things to difuse the sound a little more.

3) Dial-down the treble a bit and turn up the bass a bit.

4) Run the subwoofer in the BOTH setting.

5) I am considering trying an acoustically transparent screen to tame the speakers, but would rather not resort to this.

The tweeters and woofers of these image speakers are very well matched, so I'd rather not change the tweeters, as some have done.

Does anybody have any other suggestions for my situation? I am not changing the speakers, unless I've tried all of the above and more and cannot improve the sound. I like the bass, efficiency and ohms of the speakers and the well matched setup for home theatre and multi-channel audio.
post #502 of 4588
Which Image model? I have T45's, and though a little forward, not much to be concerned, don't have that problem. They are set in my family room, all concrete with tiles on the floor, an acoustical nightmare, but by changind the placement of the sofa and chairs I was able to get them to sound just right. Sub is in BOTH setting at the receiver (Marantz SR-5001).
post #503 of 4588
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Originally Posted by PR Audio View Post

Which Image model? I have T45's, and though a little forward, not much to be concerned, don't have that problem. They are set in my family room, all concrete with tiles on the floor, an acoustical nightmare, but by changind the placement of the sofa and chairs I was able to get them to sound just right. Sub is in BOTH setting at the receiver (Marantz SR-5001).

T65 front towers & C60 centre with S50 surrounds. I will be getting a pair of B15's for rear surround for 7.1. I will play with my room and see what I can do.
post #504 of 4588
Howdy everyone, I'm a long time PSB owner; I grew up in the same town that PSB started out in some 35 years ago. My brother worked there and I knew many of the original employees. Needless to say I've been sorta stuck on PSB ever since (even if I do occasionally build my own).

This summer we moved houses and my listening situation has changed so that I no longer have a dedicated 2 channel setup. As a result I have a pair of PSB Stratus Golds (original model) that are now sitting in our family room and are being integrated into a new 5.1 system. Do any of you have opinions on what speakers would match up best for the center and rear surrounds?

I'm going to also send PSB support an e-mail asking this question, but I thought I'd see if any of you had recommendations, in particular, if any of you would recommend anything that's not made by PSB (sacrilege I know, but I am open to that possibility since we no longer have a local PSB dealer).
post #505 of 4588
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Originally Posted by cpc View Post

T65 front towers & C60 centre with S50 surrounds. I will be getting a pair of B15's for rear surround for 7.1. I will play with my room and see what I can do.

I have C40 and B25 rears, but just ordered a pair of Alpha LR1 for rears, as the B25's are so good that they will be used in a 2-Ch. music only system powered by an integrated amp. My room is not that big, as to justify B25's as rears.

I have not audition the T65, but did audition the T55, and found them extremly similar to the T45 with better bass extension, but also found the sound somewhat muddy, not much just a tad. So, saved $$$ and went with the T45, which I found better sounding than the T55 without the bass extension of the T55, which to me was no problem, as my sub would cover that shortcoming.
post #506 of 4588
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Originally Posted by PR Audio View Post

I have C40 and B25 rears, but just ordered a pair of Alpha LR1 for rears, as the B25's are so good that they will be used in a 2-Ch. music only system powered by an integrated amp. My room is not that big, as to justify B25's as rears.

I have not audition the T65, but did audition the T55, and found them extremly similar to the T45 with better bass extension, but also found the sound somewhat muddy, not much just a tad. So, saved $$$ and went with the T45, which I found better sounding than the T55 without the bass extension of the T55, which to me was no problem, as my sub would cover that shortcoming.

The T45 has smaller woofers, which can be beneficial for a more refined and easier sound character in the mid and upper midrange I suppose. Like you say, the subwoofer gives you the bass. I liked the 6T and the T65 because they have such a full range. I like getting the bass from the tower when listening to music. I also like the subwoofer blending now too. I just need to know how to tame these beasts.
post #507 of 4588
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Originally Posted by cpc View Post

The T45 has smaller woofers, which can be beneficial for a more refined and easier sound character in the mid and upper midrange I suppose. Like you say, the subwoofer gives you the bass. I liked the 6T and the T65 because they have such a full range. I like getting the bass from the tower when listening to music. I also like the subwoofer blending now too. I just need to know how to tame these beasts.

Mine seem to blend very well with the sub, people that know about audio, but are not familiar with the T45 always comment on how full the sound is, they don't notice its a sub until I tell them. Your aseveration about T45 being more refined because of size is correct.
post #508 of 4588
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Originally Posted by scientest View Post

Howdy everyone, I'm a long time PSB owner; I grew up in the same town that PSB started out in some 35 years ago. My brother worked there and I knew many of the original employees. Needless to say I've been sorta stuck on PSB ever since (even if I do occasionally build my own).

This summer we moved houses and my listening situation has changed so that I no longer have a dedicated 2 channel setup. As a result I have a pair of PSB Stratus Golds (original model) that are now sitting in our family room and are being integrated into a new 5.1 system. Do any of you have opinions on what speakers would match up best for the center and rear surrounds?

I'm going to also send PSB support an e-mail asking this question, but I thought I'd see if any of you had recommendations, in particular, if any of you would recommend anything that's not made by PSB (sacrilege I know, but I am open to that possibility since we no longer have a local PSB dealer).


The PSB Stratus C6 or C6i would make a nice center.

I can't say about the surrounds. In my case, I am using a pair of very old tower speakers for surrounds. Not matched, but sounds good to me.
post #509 of 4588
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Originally Posted by hjw View Post

The PSB Stratus C6 or C6i would make a nice center.

Sure, but were do I find them? They are no longer in production and I don't see them used anywhere....?
post #510 of 4588
I finally got my speakers, and have the front left(B25),right(B25), and center(C40) set up. Now I am just waiting on stands for the rears(B15)!

So far they sound fantastic, I used the Audyssey 2EQ automatic speaker-calibration system with my Onkyo TX_SR605 receiver to set the levels etc.

But I was thinking about getting a TV and audio calibration dvd or whatever. I was wondering if anyone had suggestions. I did use I think DVE about 2 years ago, when I first got my TV, but would like to do it again and try some 5.1 audio calibrations a shot.

I will post some picks as soon as I get the rear stands (sometime next week)!
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