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post #4861 of 5490
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Originally Posted by bdgtor View Post

Hi folks. I'm writing not with a specific question or anything....I'm just sitting, waiting for my new PSB speakers to arrive, so wanted to help the time pass by while I patiently await delivery. I guess my agony won't even end when they are delivered though, since I have to wait until renovations on my new house are completed before beign able to enjoy my new setup (everything we own is in storage right now....living in temporary housing situation with my inlaws as we await the work on the new house to complete). Of course my new plasma and receiver and blu ray player are all in the same situation...sitting in boxes in my father in law's dining room! Very painful. smile.gif

I've owner a number of PSB setups in the past...starting back with Century and Stratus series speakers, to most recently a 7.2 setup consisting of the original Image series. I was using 7 PSB Image B25 speakers all around with two PSB Subseries 5i subwoofers. I've sold everything now with the exception of the subwoofers (the people that bought my previous house didn't want them).

I've just ordered a setup consisting of PSB Image T6 towers, C5 Centre and B4 for surrounds. This setup will be in my new family room which is larger than my previous theatre room. I'm planning on still using the two Subseries 5i subs in the setup. For rear surrounds, I am going with generic Monoprice in-ceiling speakers (have to go in-ceiling due to the configuration of the room and aesthetics). I have no clue if they'll be good enough for the setup, but I figured they were the least important speakers in my setup, so I saved some money since they are not going to be perfect anyway.

Actually, I have a question I guess. Do you think I should keep the Subseries 5i units, or get something better? I know there is better value out there, but at the same time, I was pleased with my subwoofers in my last setup (had them hooked up through an SVS AS-EQ1....my new receiver has MultEQ XT with SubEQ, so I will have the same level of correction applied). I don't have much experience listening to other subwoofers, so don't know if an upgrade would be worth it. Any opinions? I don't mind spending more money, but at the same time, I am cognisant of the theory of diminishing returns.

Welcome to the PSB owners thread! - My advice would be to sell the 5i subs and go for 2 of either SVS, HSU, or PSA subs. They're all internet direct companies, who have made a name for themselves by having the very best ratio of cost / performance around. If you head on over to the Subwoofer thread - pretty much everyone will recommend one the aforementioned. I myself have two SVS PC12's and couldn't be happier. FWIW, good call about the heights, I expanded to 9.2 myself with heights a few months back and am damned if I can hear much of a difference anyways ( using PSB b4's for heights ) .. Cheers
post #4862 of 5490
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Originally Posted by Redoryx View Post

In 45 days:D

Quick update. Have the mains up and running, I go to plug in the centre channel.......and nothing.
I get a very faint sound. Switch it out to try it on the the left and right channels....nothing. This thing is pooched out of the box. mad.gif
After that fiasco, I plugged in the rears and they both work flawlessly
If things go as planned, I will have everything up and running by 2014

any updates?
post #4863 of 5490
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Originally Posted by Sean Spamilton View Post

Welcome to the PSB owners thread! - My advice would be to sell the 5i subs and go for 2 of either SVS, HSU, or PSA subs. They're all internet direct companies, who have made a name for themselves by having the very best ratio of cost / performance around. If you head on over to the Subwoofer thread - pretty much everyone will recommend one the aforementioned. I myself have two SVS PC12's and couldn't be happier. FWIW, good call about the heights, I expanded to 9.2 myself with heights a few months back and am damned if I can hear much of a difference anyways ( using PSB b4's for heights ) .. Cheers

I definately second the SVS subs. Never knew what 20hz felt like...as I cannot hear it due to the fact my grin is so wide it plugs my ears:p
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

any updates?

Still waiting for my replacement. but, my century 100c centre isnt too bad in the mean time. Very little use so far on the rest as my kids take up ALOT of my time.
Hopefully in the next couple of days....Then I get to tackle my AVR issues. new connections gear coming from Monoprice.
post #4864 of 5490
Thanks for the advice Sean, Redoryx.

I guess I will check out some SVS options in subwoofers...chosing SVS as I also have dealt with Sonic Boom in Richmond Hill a number of times (I bought my SVS AS-EQ1 from them). I was very pleased with my transactions. I guess it's time to pay them a visit! And maybe add another couple of unopened boxes to my collection! smile.gif

Thanks once again.
post #4865 of 5490
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

Great story thanks for sharing!! I have too just recently tried the imagine line and am in love :

Congrats!

I spend a few weeks away and Brian goes and picks up a pair of imagines. I'm jelly. How are they?
post #4866 of 5490
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Originally Posted by devotech View Post

I spend a few weeks away and Brian goes and picks up a pair of imagines. I'm jelly. How are they?
Hahah

As good as the image b6 are these are amazing!!!! So crystal clear. Worh every penny for the upgrade
post #4867 of 5490
I'd love to have the imagine someday. For now my B25s / C60 are fantastic.
post #4868 of 5490
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Originally Posted by bdgtor View Post

Thanks for the advice Sean, Redoryx.

I guess I will check out some SVS options in subwoofers...chosing SVS as I also have dealt with Sonic Boom in Richmond Hill a number of times (I bought my SVS AS-EQ1 from them). I was very pleased with my transactions. I guess it's time to pay them a visit! And maybe add another couple of unopened boxes to my collection! smile.gif

Thanks once again.

Quoting myself to give a point of reference for this post.

So, as I was going to list my PSB Subwoofers for sale, I realized that I don't have a pair of Subseries 5i subwoofers, but a pair of Subseries 6i subwoofers. It's been a while since I bought them, and I haven't looked in the back for a while. Quite embarassing that I've forgotten details of my own gear!

With that being said, although I am aware that the other options like SVS, HSU, etc. are still better values and can go to a lower frequency, my cost/benefit decision just became harder, as the spec difference between the Subseries 5i and 6i seems rather significant. I

Anyway, I suppose I have a little more thinking to do before making a final decision!
post #4869 of 5490

Rather than make a decision based on specs, why don't you consider using an audio measurement system, like REW, to make an objective assessment of the quality of the bass in your room?  If you haven't already done so, you are likely to be able to improve the quality of the bass just by moving the two existing subs around until you find the best placement.  If the measurements still reveal bass that is not to your liking, that would be the time to consider an upgrade.  REW software is free, and the hardware associated to make it work only costs about $100.  Two new subs are going to cost a lot more than $100, and if you don't have the measurement tolls to place them properly, the purchase may be a waste of money.

 

And learning how to use REW is simple.  There is a link in my sig to a beginners guide.

post #4870 of 5490
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Rather than make a decision based on specs, why don't you consider using an audio measurement system, like REW, to make an objective assessment of the quality of the bass in your room?  If you haven't already done so, you are likely to be able to improve the quality of the bass just by moving the two existing subs around until you find the best placement.  If the measurements still reveal bass that is not to your liking, that would be the time to consider an upgrade.  REW software is free, and the hardware associated to make it work only costs about $100.  Two new subs are going to cost a lot more than $100, and if you don't have the measurement tolls to place them properly, the purchase may be a waste of money.

And learning how to use REW is simple.  There is a link in my sig to a beginners guide.

+1
post #4871 of 5490
Good day all, just pulled the trigger on two pair of T6 towers, should be here in a couple weeks. I may only end up keeping one pair, we'll see how they fit in my room. Been running a pair of VERY old PSB's Passiff II's that my brother bought 30 years ago, re-foamed the passive radiator/woofer, the woofer is a rubber surround so it is still fresh. I'm sure the T6's will be a world of difference and I'll find out what I have been missing. If I only keep one pair I'll likely put an ad on here to sell them. My surrounds are the Imagine S surrounds, very nice speakers, was considering the Imagine T2's but the deal on the T6's was just far to good to pass up. If anyone in the GTA area would be interested in a dark cherry set of T6's pm me. Keep you posted.
post #4872 of 5490
Congrats!! Be sure to post pics and a review. Nothing better than getting new stuff smile.gif
post #4873 of 5490
Congrats. You are gonna love them.
Pics and review when you do a side by side comparison is a must

On a side note....still waiting!
post #4874 of 5490
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Originally Posted by Sound Master BIC View Post

Good day all, just pulled the trigger on two pair of T6 towers, should be here in a couple weeks. I may only end up keeping one pair, we'll see how they fit in my room. Been running a pair of VERY old PSB's Passiff II's that my brother bought 30 years ago, re-foamed the passive radiator/woofer, the woofer is a rubber surround so it is still fresh. I'm sure the T6's will be a world of difference and I'll find out what I have been missing. If I only keep one pair I'll likely put an ad on here to sell them. My surrounds are the Imagine S surrounds, very nice speakers, was considering the Imagine T2's but the deal on the T6's was just far to good to pass up. If anyone in the GTA area would be interested in a dark cherry set of T6's pm me. Keep you posted.

Just curious, if you kept both pair, would they both be in the same room, or in different systems in different rooms?
post #4875 of 5490
I was gonna try a pair at both the front and rear, move the S's to sides, not sure if space will allow or, if just swapping the OLD PSB's for the T6's will be enough to make my old ears happier? I really like the ability to change the S's, which are now at the rear, from bipole or dipole to 2 channel mode and have 7.1 using only 5.1 speakers, and they are very small and easily moved, not so much for the T's. I will try 1 pair at the front first, if I like then I will leave the other pair sealed from the factory and sell. Purchased from approved PSB dealer with receipt so no problem with warranty. I must say I'm a little excited about this new addition.
post #4876 of 5490
In the rear? Do you mean as rear surrounds? The rear surround audio channels don't really get very much information. A pair of T6's would certainly be over-kill. Unless you use something like 5-channel stereo...
post #4877 of 5490
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

In the rear? Do you mean as rear surrounds? The rear surround audio channels don't really get very much information. A pair of T6's would certainly be over-kill. Unless you use something like 5-channel stereo...

I used to say that same thing. I really enjoyed the wide channel via audyssey DSX. I run PolkAudio RTiA9 towers for mains and wides.

Then after a move to a smaller room, I moved the wides to rears for an experiment, still utilizing DSX, man o man, the content through the rears is pretty awesome. I had planned on using a set of di/bipole speakers (current surround) for rears when I move to a 9.2, now, a third set of towers will join the set up to rock mains, wides and rears. Plus, not to mention the added bass that comes through those towers as rears, incredible.
post #4878 of 5490

I guess I am not understanding.  The number of movies that have true 7.1 surround is relatively small.  So the rear surrounds normally receive a synthesized signal.  Are you saying it is the synthesized signal that sounds so incredible?  Compared with the left and right surrounds in my system, I am hardly aware of the rear surrounds.  I use Imagine Mini's for rear surrounds, and they seem perfectly adequate to me.  Of course, all my satellite speakers are set to small, so they don't receive deep bass anyway.

post #4879 of 5490
Yeah, the Onkyo I have does a great job "creating" the extra two channels from a 5.1 track.

I too had satellites, then moved to bookshelves for surround and wide. Then when I put a tower in wide, a whole new dimension of sound opened up.

Also with the rear, I had used bookshelves and wasn't impressed. Then after using a tower.....bingo, big sound.
post #4880 of 5490
I have quite a few 7.1 blurays already. I like to blast the tunes in 5.1 or 7.1 if I've hooked the S's up accordingly. I also look forward to enjoying more pure direct and straight with the new T's, the current PSB's are too old to crank too far and aren't all that capable in the bass department. But running in 7.1 mode, the tunes fill my room and then some, nice and loud!
post #4881 of 5490
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Rather than make a decision based on specs, why don't you consider using an audio measurement system, like REW, to make an objective assessment of the quality of the bass in your room?  If you haven't already done so, you are likely to be able to improve the quality of the bass just by moving the two existing subs around until you find the best placement.  If the measurements still reveal bass that is not to your liking, that would be the time to consider an upgrade.  REW software is free, and the hardware associated to make it work only costs about $100.  Two new subs are going to cost a lot more than $100, and if you don't have the measurement tolls to place them properly, the purchase may be a waste of money.

And learning how to use REW is simple.  There is a link in my sig to a beginners guide.

Thank you for the excellent advice. I have to admit that I thought of using REW, but was a bit intimidated, as I never really experimented in that area yet. I shouldn't be intimidated though...I'm a professional in the IT field and have a ton of hardware and software experience in my line of work...and consider myself to be a budding audio/videophile....but anyway, I was a little worried until I took a quick read through the guide...I've realized now that I should be able to do it quite easily. Thanks for the nudge. smile.gif

One problem I know I will face is with placement of the subs...I'm not going to have much choice there, as like I mentioned, this is going to be in our new family room, and my wife will have a huge say as far as aesthetics go...I should be thankful that she's given me the go ahead to put in floorstanding speakers and dual subs...not going to be able to push my luck with subwoofer placement....they're unfortunately going to be relegated to both corners of my room, so I guess they'll be creating some peaks in my response curve (if I understand the theory correctly). I will have to rely on room correction software....the receiver I bought has Audyssey XT32 and Sub EQ, so I hope that will help me out a bit. And I have the option of running an Audyssey Pro calibration as well, as I know someone who has the tools to do it for me after I pay the licensing fee.

But I will still use REW to technically see where my issues lie and will make a judgement call on the subwoofers after that. My wife and I are spending significant money on the renovation in this house, so saving in any area will help, and I'd love to be able to use my existing subs if possible. But on the flipside, I've invested in new Image speakers, a new Denon 4520CI receiver, a new Oppo BDP-130D Blu Ray player, and a new Panasonic 65ZT60 plasma already, so another part of me says that I may as well just dish out for new subs as well since I've upgraded my older system in all other areas.

Anyway, I'm rambling...I suppose this is a dilemma that most of us will face at some point of our system design phases, so I may as well work through it. Appreciate the help and support though! smile.gif
post #4882 of 5490
Nice choice of new equipment, and good luck with the new room. I understand that placement options are subject to WAF. If you spend a little time familiarizing yourself with REW, you may find that the placement locations are acceptable. If REW reveals significant issues, however, be aware that room correction can only do so much. For example, Audyssey can pull down peaks, but it can't fill in dips caused by room modes. I have the same AVR, so I am aware of its capabilities.

One location for your subs (other than the corners, which is a really bad location) is on the front wall, at the 1/4 and 3/4 points. This placement would normally flank the two front speakers, and can be visually pleasing as well. I have two subs in this location, which you can see if you click the link in my signature pointing to my setup.
post #4883 of 5490
That's a very nice set up you have AustinJerry!

I hear you about the corners not being the best for subwoofer placement. I'm trying to compromise a bit there....the room I have is very wide, so I may be able to keep them away from the corners a bit. I am also aware that the calibration capabilities of the receiver aren't going to fix everything....just hope it can take things to an acceptable level for me. I will just keep reminding myself that this is just my family room, and I will go all out and do it properly in a dedicated theatre room when I finish my basement in a few years, once I've saved up some more. This is a temporary compromise. smile.gif

I was about to mention that 1/4 way down the wall for the subs wouldn't really work for me because of a couple of windows I have there, but it looks like you have the same situation as me! I like how you have set your speakers up. I can't do exactly the same thing due to the fact that I have two very young sons (5 and 2) and if I don't place the speakers somewhere close to the walls with a makeshift anchor of some type, they will definitely be knocked down numerous times during horseplay sessions!

I will look into seeing if I can put the subs closer in together on the front wall, on either side of the TV maybe. Guess I'll have to make my desicion soon, as I'm planning on running all my cabling through the walls (and basement) some time later this week!
post #4884 of 5490

Thank you for the kind words.

 

To add stability to tower speakers, here is something to consider:  http://soundocity.com/products.html.  I know safety of the children trumps the audio setup, but towers too close to the walls will kill the sound...   :(

post #4885 of 5490
Thanks for the advice! The link sent me to a 404 error within the site itself, but I clicked to the main page and looked at their products. I think I'll be able to find something to help.

Like you said, safety of my kids will trump everything. I do understand that close to the walls is not ideal, but again, I guess it will be a temporary placement. When my younger son is a little older and not so fragile, I'll put them in the proper spot. A couple of years from now I guess. I'll make sure I have some speaker cabling in reserve, hidden in the wall so I can pull them out!
post #4886 of 5490
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Originally Posted by Sean Spamilton View Post

Welcome to the PSB owners thread! - My advice would be to sell the 5i subs and go for 2 of either SVS, HSU, or PSA subs. They're all internet direct companies, who have made a name for themselves by having the very best ratio of cost / performance around. If you head on over to the Subwoofer thread - pretty much everyone will recommend one the aforementioned. I myself have two SVS PC12's and couldn't be happier. FWIW, good call about the heights, I expanded to 9.2 myself with heights a few months back and am damned if I can hear much of a difference anyways ( using PSB b4's for heights ) .. Cheers

Don't forget to add Rythmik to the that list. I chose Rythmik LV12-R over SVS PB-1000 and haven't look back.
post #4887 of 5490
Yes, if I decide to get new subwoofers, Rythmik will definitely be on the list as well. I've read good things about them too!
post #4888 of 5490
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Originally Posted by Geoff4RFC View Post

Yeah, the Onkyo I have does a great job "creating" the extra two channels from a 5.1 track.

I too had satellites, then moved to bookshelves for surround and wide. Then when I put a tower in wide, a whole new dimension of sound opened up.

Also with the rear, I had used bookshelves and wasn't impressed. Then after using a tower.....bingo, big sound.

I guess it would depend on size of the room and the distance that the rears are from the listening position. In my setup, towers would add no benefits whatsoever as I sit fairly close to the rear/surrounds.

I also send all my bass to the sub so again, no net benefit for me to move to towers/
post #4889 of 5490
My new Imagine C has been delivered and installed. This thing is a lot bigger than my previous centre and looks great with all of the other Imagines in the room The Sound is great! I hope to put a few hours on the new setup this weekend, put everything through their paces
Pics will be coming soon
post #4890 of 5490
Awesome!! Long time coming!!
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