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post #151 of 7216
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Originally Posted by ajneuman View Post

Does anybody with a Comcast DVR know if I should be using a video output of 1080i or 780p with the 42PX60U?

In addition what have people found works best with Comcast DVR and a Panasonic 50PX60U for the 4:3 Override setting: Off, 480i, 480p, Stretch?
post #152 of 7216
I've been lurking on these boards since January, I was gonna get a 50pxu but when I heard the 60 was coming out I decided to wait and glad I did. I want to thank all of you for all the great information I've gleaned in the past months been great.
I just wanted to put in my 2 cents and describe my experience for what its worth.

I love my new tv . Its my 1st Plasma. Ordered it from Panasonic direct on march 10th got it March 21st,set up was quick(no wobbling on the stand ,firm vertically if its wobbling somethings up) no problems . thank God

I hooked it up w a dvi to hdmi cable from my cable box(scientific atlantic 4200HD) the cable I got from radio shack was reasonable compared to the outrageous price of Monster cable(what a rip).Im using component cable from dvd player to tv. SD channels look good .HD looks phenomenal, very impressed.

I ran the tv on cinema mode with -5picture -5brightness, 0 on the rest for the 1st 100 hours --no games, dont plan on hooking up a pc to it. no letterbox or 4.3, the pic still looked good all that time. I keep it on just mode which looks cool or zoom when necessry just to keep that screen full .Im scared of burn in lol. even though I dont think you could burn this screen unless you were very careless.

I ran the Avia calibration disc yesterday and my settings came out +9picture +8 brightness -4 color ,-6 tint, -2 sharpness on normal mode. I'll run it again (its easy to use I recommend it) in a month and every couple after . Plasma's dont just break in "settle in " in a hundred hours it really takes a 1000. I dont plan to mess with the service menu or have it professionally calibrated but that may change in 6 months or so but right now the picture looks so good I dont see the reason.

So in conclusion, treat your plasma good and she will be good to you or as Homer Simpson likes to say " Hmmm TV-- mother, father, secret lover" lol
post #153 of 7216
anyone else notice during calibration of the set that for contrast (picture) pattern that it will show above video levels of white no matter how much adjustment is made? this would mean the set shows more detail in the white areas, perhaps detail not intended to be seen. (like upping the brightness too much would reveal dark objects not meant to be seen)
post #154 of 7216
I tried "Setup" + "Other Adjust", and the "Sidebars" menu item is grayed out so that I can't change it. I tried HD at 1080i and SD inputs at 480i on both the HDMI and component inputs of the 50PX60U TV and still the "Sidebars" menu item remains grayed out.

I remember I had the same problem setting my 42PX50U and figured out how to do it but now I can't remember what I did. On the 42PX50U 4:3 HD content has black sidebars but 4:3 SD content has gray sidebars. On the 50PX60U all sidebars are black.

Other menu items are also grayed out under the "Picture" menu.
post #155 of 7216
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Originally Posted by DNero View Post

I can confirm that as well. HDMI from the STB to TV and I use "Just" practically all the time.

with 4:3 signal, does anyone see a difference between H-Fill and Just?? They look the same to me....
post #156 of 7216
I recently purchased a TH-50PX60U. I was concerned about burn-in so I made sure to tell my family to always keep the aspect ratio on "just" to avoid the black bars on the sides of some broadcasts. I was therefore very annoyed to learn that the TV does not retain it's aspect ratio settings when turned off and then back on. It always reverts to "full".

Even worse the aspect ratio settings are lost when changing channels if the channels have different display resolutions. For instance when going from 420p-720p it will revert from whatever aspect ratio it was on back to "full", 720p-1080i the same thing, 1080i to 420p, etc....

I called Panasonic tech support to see if it was a problem with my plasma. I was told all TH-50PX60U behave exactly the same. I also asked if it was possible to "fix" the problem with a software update and I was told this will not ever be possible.

Just an FYI. It is very inconvenient to be constantly changing aspect ratios while changing channels. Feel bad for anyone with kids that are worried about burn-in also.

I could use the cable boxes "stretch" mode but it distorts the picture much more than the "just" mode on the plasma.
post #157 of 7216
this is one reason i am reluctant to get my parents a plasma tv. they won't give a crap about zooming the picture. it seems like some software adjustments are all that is needed to support settings that don't 'dissapear' with a channel change or power cycle. dissapointing, but not a deal breaker.
post #158 of 7216
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Originally Posted by aprest View Post

I tried "Setup" + "Other Adjust", and the "Sidebars" menu item is grayed out so that I can't change it. I tried HD at 1080i and SD inputs at 480i on both the HDMI and component inputs of the 50PX60U TV and still the "Sidebars" menu item remains grayed out.

I remember I had the same problem setting my 42PX50U and figured out how to do it but now I can't remember what I did. On the 42PX50U 4:3 HD content has black sidebars but 4:3 SD content has gray sidebars. On the 50PX60U all sidebars are black.

Other menu items are also grayed out under the "Picture" menu.

You need to be in 4:3 mode to change side bar color.

Dan
post #159 of 7216
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Originally Posted by Mr. Met View Post

with 4:3 signal, does anyone see a difference between H-Fill and Just?? They look the same to me....

Page 38 of the manual has diagrams explaining each aspect mode. Basically, H-Fill stretches the 4:3 image horizontally uniformally and the side edges of the image are cropped, whereas Just stretches the edges more than the center and the side edges are not cropped.
post #160 of 7216
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Originally Posted by Beto3645 View Post

Page 38 of the manual has diagrams explaining each aspect mode. Basically, H-Fill stretches the 4:3 image horizontally uniformally and the side edges of the image are cropped, whereas Just stretches the edges more than the center and the side edges are not cropped.

Speaking of the Manual... I can't find the online version of it, doen't seem to be on the Panasonic Consumer Site... checked the FAQ couldn't find for 60U. Anyone one got a URL for the 50 60U .pdf?
post #161 of 7216
posted this in the original thread...but, it seems better suited here.

interview w/ panasonic exec...

h**p://gear.ign.com/articles/682/682536p1.html

below is an excerpt regarding burn-in...

IGN: Could you shed some light on the issue of plasmas and burn-in? Some say its a myth, and I've had a Panasonic plasma for four years and I've never had a problem with it, but other people swear it happens all the time, so we are wondering what your thoughts are there.

Jeff Cove: It wasn't a myth -- years ago, when plasmas first came out... First of all, burn-in is the result of the aging of the phosphors, and plasmas are phosphor based technology, and if the phosphors age at different times, you'll end up with kind of a color splotch on the screen. What's happened is that the phosphors are getting better and better, and there was a change in phosphor technology and there was a change in gas technology a couple years ago, where more Xenon was put into the phosphor panels and the phosphors were generally improved. And suddenly, the lifetimes of these panels became 60,000 hours. That's eight hours a day for 20 years. When that happened, it became very, very difficult to burn-in a plasma. Now, it's still possible to burn in anything that uses phosphors, CRTs, or plasmas, can be burned in. But for real life TV-watching or games we really don't think there is an issue. Our feeling is that if you don't worry about your CRT for burn-in, don't worry about your plasma, as a rule of thumb.
post #162 of 7216
TWC (NYC)
SA 3250hd

stb settings:
aspect ratio: widescreen (16:9) -> stretch 4:3 picture

***stretching the 4:3 picture from the stb allows me to not have to constantly have to keep the changing the aspect during the first 100 hrs. when i want, i can adjust the aspect ratio on the panny to 4:3 if there's something i REALLY want to see in 4:3. the panny does a great job of changing it for me while keeping the stb as it is***

output formats: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i

***i read elsewhere that the pannys do much better w/o the progressive inputs...i've done that also and noticed a difference. the difference, however, was NOT in PQ. it was in channel changing. when changing the channel btn all the input formats there was a delay, as well as, what can only be described as signal interruption. HOWEVER, if you can stand this, it's worth it just to know that you're watching whatever signal it is you should be watching. but, again...i've noticed ZERO difference in PQ***

my panny settings are as follow:

standard
pic +10
bright +15
color -3
tint -5
sharp -3
temp norm
color mgt OFF
vid nr OFF
mpeg ON
black level LIGHT
-------------------------------------------------------

now, due to the quality of some of the hd channels...they aren't all as high, it seems...there is some diff in my HD quality all the way around. nothing too terrible. however, sometimes it seems as if my nbc and fox signals are extremely poor w/ regard to say...cbs or disc.

so, i tried outputting ALL the formats from my stb, as posted above...didn't change anything. at least, nothing that i noticed.

one thing that gets to me is that pictures and aspect ratios change all the time. either b/c of how the respective show is, or b/c of how you set up the stb. there seems to be no consistency. so, i seem to be on the same brain wave as everyone else

as mentioned before, i tend to have the stb stretch the 4:3 picture...i then watch it all in FULL for SD. it's absolutely watchable. in fact, we comment more on how the SD PQ looks than how the HD looks. sometimes i feel like maybe there's something wrong w/ my set b/c HD isn't excruciatingly breathtaking...
don't get me wrong, i notice how nice HD is mostly at night when i watch the late night talk shows, or disc hd or the movie channels in hd. hbo and showtime look great.

watched some showtime HD boxing last night...REALLY amazing. the blacks were great, the whites as nice.
but, again...they really did something right w/ the SD PQ on this tv...


ok, last thing i wanted to ask...

what are everyone else's settings? NOT for picture...those are all over this forum.
but, for SETUP...where you can change things in the CC and/or OTHER ADJUST menus...

thanks a ton everyone...every single thing you guys put out there is very useful...

thanks again...
i know it's a lot, but i would love to know what everyone has to say.

-j

ps...
when you turn your pannys on w/ the remote...do you get 2 clicks?

pps...
one last gripe: TWC really isn't that great. AT ALL. every other cable comapny out there seems to offer more HD channels for free than they do...
it's frustrating...

comcast in NJ offers espn and YES in HD...whereas, in nyc twc offers only espnhd for a fee...and, doesn't even offer YES in hd.

LOVE my panny.
post #163 of 7216
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Originally Posted by dano1122 View Post

this is one reason i am reluctant to get my parents a plasma tv. they won't give a crap about zooming the picture. it seems like some software adjustments are all that is needed to support settings that don't 'dissapear' with a channel change or power cycle. dissapointing, but not a deal breaker.

Funny you mentioned this... was just telling a friend that there's no way that my parents would appreciate a plasma. There's too much fiddling around that needs to be done. They aren't interested in changing aspect modes, knowing what channels are in HD or not, etc. They want a TV that they can turn on, flip the channels, and THAT'S IT. lol
post #164 of 7216
How is one ever going to calibrate and enjoy the new Panny plasmas when a Panasonic White paper recommends:
After the hundred-hour break-in period, during the next nine-hundred hours:
Continue to retain the picture setting at 50% or less.

http://www.fcw.com/vendorsolutions/panasonicplasma.pdf
post #165 of 7216
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Originally Posted by Rojo_P View Post

How is one ever going to calibrate and enjoy the new Panny plasmas when a Panasonic White paper recommends:
After the hundred-hour break-in period, during the next nine-hundred hours:
Continue to retain the picture setting at 50% or less.

http://www.fcw.com/vendorsolutions/panasonicplasma.pdf

post #166 of 7216
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rojo_P View Post

How is one ever going to calibrate and enjoy the new Panny plasmas when a Panasonic White paper recommends:
After the hundred-hour break-in period, during the next nine-hundred hours:
Continue to retain the picture setting at 50% or less.

http://www.fcw.com/vendorsolutions/panasonicplasma.pdf

From the White Paper:

"Panasonic has developed new phosphors that are resistant to image burn-in and has added other features that minimize its occurrence."

Bear in mind that this was written two years ago so I'm assuming burn-in resistance has improved even more since then. Also, regarding the steps to take to prevent burn-in, the paper says it's what videophiles say what is best to do. It doesn't say Panasonic recommends this nor does it say these steps should be taken for Panasonic plasmas, just that these steps will prevent the further possibility of burn-in.
post #167 of 7216
Just out of fear. I lowered my settings to -5 on all settings fo rthe first 100 hrs. Then went to 0 on all contrast, brightness, and sharpness settings for 100 more. Then said the hell with it I'm watching the damn thing as it was meant to be. Been runnung about another 100 hrs watching what I want, the way I want to absolutley no sign of any problems. Futhermore I don't expect any. Please enjoy your new toys and live a little. this will help you and the rest of your family enjoy it to.

Glenee
post #168 of 7216
Just enjoy your TV. A lot of us were originally really worried. I had the settings so far down that the TV looked really bad. Neighbor has the same TV and he just watched anything he wanted. Bottom-line is neither of us had any burn-in.
Furthermore, IF the 100 hours was SO IMPORTANT then Panasonic would have said so in the manual and given instructions regarding a "break in " period. This has gotten so ridiculous. In fact I doubt any manufacturer puts this in because they don't need to. They do tell you to watch on 15% of the time with side bars etc and that is it. I think this forum helped spread the paranoia regarding burn in and downloading special breakin in videos etc. It may have been needed years ago but not now.

Watch whatever you want with the screen filled most of the time. Crank those settings up to where you like it and ENJOY the beautiful picture of the plasma.
post #169 of 7216
I already know that plasma displays are immune to magnetic fields but what I was wondering is are there any electronic components inside of the displays that is sensitive to magnets? I am considering placing my display next to a very BIG loudspeaker that is unshielded and was wondering if this is safe to do without causing harm to my new TV.

Thanks -
post #170 of 7216
Bad overscan for component and s-video

For HDMI input, on my 42PX60U overscan is even (2% on each side), but on component and S-video about 10% top and 7% on bottom and sides. I couldn't find any parameter in SM to fix it. Would that fix improve pic quality on SD anyway?
post #171 of 7216
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Originally Posted by Rojo_P View Post

How is one ever going to calibrate and enjoy the new Panny plasmas when a Panasonic White paper recommends:
After the hundred-hour break-in period, during the next nine-hundred hours:
Continue to retain the picture setting at 50% or less.

http://www.fcw.com/vendorsolutions/panasonicplasma.pdf

Many of this Forum's participants advocate "throwing caution to the wind" ignoring a "common sense" approach towards the proper care and maintenance of a new PDP. Newer generations of phosphors are more resistant to image burn-in, but no manufacturer claims this possibility has been eliminated.

Burn in, permanent image retention, uneven phosphor wear becomes more evident over time as one continues to abuse their panel with the over use of black bars, static images, etc.

Just use some "common sense" to avoid burn in. Adjust the panel's contrast, brightness and sharpness settings to a "reasonable" level, vary your program viewing and display images that fill your screen whenever possible.

Panasonic has endorsed this white paper:

Plasma Facts and Myths Panasonic Presents Advice From the Video Purist Perspective

by putting their name on it because the recommendations it makes are true.

It is interesting to note that many of this Forum's participants claim to be "videophiles" who "strive" to achieve the ultimate picture their PDP can render... until it comes down to following the manufacturer's recommendations regarding the proper care and maintenance of their TV.
post #172 of 7216
What optivity speaks of is true. What i was making reference to is the fact that CRT tubes can get burn-in and a sony service man once told me that he had seen some type of image retention on an LCD once, How ? Hell I don't know. I will tell you like I told my wife about our youngest son. He can't live in a bubble all his life or I won't have any Grandchildren. So just use good sense as optivity recommended and as you have for all your displays before, but the big thing is too enjoy it. **** will happen somewhere it always does.
Now I am done with this Image Burn-in thing. Lets get it o with those tweaks and settings.

Glenee
post #173 of 7216
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Originally Posted by Beto3645 View Post

Got my 42PX60U yesterday. This set replaces a 27-inch 1992 cathode ray tube Sony XBR which still has a great picture (in SD, of course).

We put the TV at the foot of the bed so we will be watching from about six feet. Only had a couple of hours to watch, so these are preliminary impressions:

Picture quality is great, but default settings are wrong. Vivid is way too fiery, Standard has too much contrast and artificial sharpness, and Cinema is lifeless. In Standard mode, I decided to turn down Picture (why doesn't the TV industry like the word "contrast"? "Contrast" is much more descriptive than "Picture") to about +20, and leave everything else at 0. I will calibrate when my Avia disk arrives.

SD is very good when the signal is good. Unfortunately, the signal varies greatly between channels and the differences in PQ are much more pronounced than on my old Sony XBR. All in all, SD is very watchable.

I was surprised that I could get HD channels over Time Warner Cable without a STB! Local channels and a special KPBS channel with different programming than regular KPBS. I though I needed a cable card to get HD over cable without a STB. Evidently not!

Now what do I do with the Zenith Silver Sensor antenna coming in the mail next week?

Needless to say, picture quality in HD was wonderful. Very sharp and lifelike, fantastic color saturation, excellent contrast, deep blacks (almost as black as my old Sony XBR), and very pure whites. This is from a few minutes of watching the KPBS HD channel, and snippets of the March Madness college basketball games.

I watched the opening scenes from the new DVD of Good Night and Good Luck. I was pleased with the purity of the blacks and the whites. The gray scale, in particular, seems very refined and extended, moving from black to white seamlessly. Shadow detail is exceptional, and highlight detail is the best. (By the way, the Dianne Reeves soundtrack of this DVD is so well recorded that I ordered the CD; the saxophone in particular is very real.)

I also watched some scenes from Natural Born Killers, and the PQ was fabulous. Color is very good, although perhaps a little oversaturated because I have yet to calibrate the set.

I used a cheap Toshiba SD-3950 to play the DVD's. It seems that the Panasonic de-interlaser and scaler are so good that even a $50 DVD player looks good. Why would I need an Oppo?

---------------------------

Excellent review for anyone in the market for a new Plasma. I own a 7th generation Panny plasma (the 60U is 9th generation) and the shadow details and blacks for DVDs on a Panny is better than any other set I have owned or used. I have a pretty expensive DVD player and inputing 480i (where the set does the de-interlacing and scaling) looks better in many cases than when I am having my player de-interlace. Unless you like additional input controls that some of the DVD players provide, you're fine letting this set take care of the processing.
post #174 of 7216
Quote:
Originally Posted by j7f View Post

TWC (NYC)
SA 3250hd

stb settings:
aspect ratio: widescreen (16:9) -> stretch 4:3 picture

***stretching the 4:3 picture from the stb allows me to not have to constantly have to keep the changing the aspect during the first 100 hrs. when i want, i can adjust the aspect ratio on the panny to 4:3 if there's something i REALLY want to see in 4:3. the panny does a great job of changing it for me while keeping the stb as it is***

output formats: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i

***i read elsewhere that the pannys do much better w/o the progressive inputs...i've done that also and noticed a difference. the difference, however, was NOT in PQ. it was in channel changing. when changing the channel btn all the input formats there was a delay, as well as, what can only be described as signal interruption. HOWEVER, if you can stand this, it's worth it just to know that you're watching whatever signal it is you should be watching. but, again...i've noticed ZERO difference in PQ***

my panny settings are as follow:

standard
pic +10
bright +15
color -3
tint -5
sharp -3
temp norm
color mgt OFF
vid nr OFF
mpeg ON
black level LIGHT
-------------------------------------------------------

now, due to the quality of some of the hd channels...they aren't all as high, it seems...there is some diff in my HD quality all the way around. nothing too terrible. however, sometimes it seems as if my nbc and fox signals are extremely poor w/ regard to say...cbs or disc.

so, i tried outputting ALL the formats from my stb, as posted above...didn't change anything. at least, nothing that i noticed.

one thing that gets to me is that pictures and aspect ratios change all the time. either b/c of how the respective show is, or b/c of how you set up the stb. there seems to be no consistency. so, i seem to be on the same brain wave as everyone else

as mentioned before, i tend to have the stb stretch the 4:3 picture...i then watch it all in FULL for SD. it's absolutely watchable. in fact, we comment more on how the SD PQ looks than how the HD looks. sometimes i feel like maybe there's something wrong w/ my set b/c HD isn't excruciatingly breathtaking...
don't get me wrong, i notice how nice HD is mostly at night when i watch the late night talk shows, or disc hd or the movie channels in hd. hbo and showtime look great.

watched some showtime HD boxing last night...REALLY amazing. the blacks were great, the whites as nice.
but, again...they really did something right w/ the SD PQ on this tv...


ok, last thing i wanted to ask...

what are everyone else's settings? NOT for picture...those are all over this forum.
but, for SETUP...where you can change things in the CC and/or OTHER ADJUST menus...

thanks a ton everyone...every single thing you guys put out there is very useful...

thanks again...
i know it's a lot, but i would love to know what everyone has to say.

-j

ps...
when you turn your pannys on w/ the remote...do you get 2 clicks?

pps...
one last gripe: TWC really isn't that great. AT ALL. every other cable comapny out there seems to offer more HD channels for free than they do...
it's frustrating...

comcast in NJ offers espn and YES in HD...whereas, in nyc twc offers only espnhd for a fee...and, doesn't even offer YES in hd.

LOVE my panny.

----------

have my panny for year and a half. We never messed with the zoom or aspect at all from day 1. So we werewatching those HD channels with Side bars (when they are showing SD stuff on the HD channels - which is most of the time). Happy to report that the set has absolutely no burn in of any kind anywhere. So no break-in and no aspect control and still no burn-in. Not sure if others have experienced burn in with Pannys....
post #175 of 7216
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Originally Posted by SweatyPalm View Post

I tried to access the service menu but it didn't work. Here's what I did, holding down the "-"vol button, press the "recall" button 3 times. nothing happened. Am I missing something? Mine is 42PX60U.

Also, how do I get the TV to display SD pictures in full screen?

---------------

If you are using a cable-box, it should be taking care of it automatically when you configure. 480i will automatically be stretched to full screen.
post #176 of 7216
This is a great forum for Panasonic Plasma owners....Great work....

Got my 50PX60U on Wednesday....Connected to Sony Home theater using Component and Coax, Dishnetwork DVR (Not HD yet) using S-Video and Optical out...

Settings

Picture : +10
Bright : +5
Color : 0
Tint : 0
sharp : 0
Temp : Warm
Black Level : Dark


So far I am happy with the PQ...Above settings seems good enough to watch regular SD TV channels in Just or Zoom mode for my living room setup ...

Trying to get Indoor Antenna work for OTA HD channels in Torrance , 90503 area (still Debating between Dishnetwork HD and Time Warner HD )

My question is : Is there anyway to setup Picture settings for each source for e.g. diff settings for Antenna, one for component and one for Video 1 and so on ?

Thanks
post #177 of 7216
anyone calibrate their px60u with a calibration disc?

I tried avia and get gray. With avia my brightness (black level) ended up at -12 and my picture (contrast) ended up at +15, but even at the highest contrast setting the display still was showing above white video level. does anyone have any idea about this?
post #178 of 7216
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Originally Posted by snidely View Post

O.k. Comcast came and installed the Moto 6412 DVR box for my son. Went over and we started hooking up equipment. Son will have to go by cable office to get HDMI cable, all installer had w. him was component.
Something is wrong. Picture looks bad to horrible on regular cable channels and not very good HD.
I am on the same cable system, but on the other side of town w. our phuy models. No problems for us.
Question: What should the aspect be on the monitor for watching HD? (On the phuy models, we can't adjust aspect on HD.) On the SD channels i need to convince him he will get used to the "just" mode.
I wonder if some setting is wrong in the cable box.
I set the picture settings as rec. by others further up in this thread.

...mike

I have a 42PX60u, and a Comcast Moto DVR box DCT3412. The tech set the box at 1080i, the HDMI output setting. Afterwards I discovered HD quality was poor. Resetting it to 480p made the HD quality just like what was coming out of the wall before I got the cable box. It's incredible!! Any setting other than 480p made HD look bad, but I don't know why.

I do note the 42px60u RECALL button doesn't display the right resolution anymore.
post #179 of 7216
Quote:
Originally Posted by dano1122 View Post

anyone calibrate their px60u with a calibration disc?

I tried avia and get gray. With avia my brightness (black level) ended up at -12 and my picture (contrast) ended up at +15, but even at the highest contrast setting the display still was showing above white video level. does anyone have any idea about this?

anyone?

i also noticed that the black level at -12 makes SD too dark,.
post #180 of 7216
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Originally Posted by sirbrillo View Post

I have all settings backed off to -5 for brightness and picture as I let the panel break in. Its like beaking in my engine, this is the worst part, having a toy you can't fully exploit yet

I am seriously contemplating on buying the panasonic unit you have... but i beg your pardon as this is my first time to buy a plasma screen...

- how long does it take for you to break the unit in?
- if i watch shows like cbc or cnn that have stationary logos on them... does this mean that my plasma might have burned in images?

thanks for the help
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