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post #5731 of 7216
I checked my firmware and I have 1.04 on a 50PX60U. The plasma concierge will send me an update to 1.25, but said that it is irreversible and that I should be sure I want to do the upgrade. I have experienced some red faces. Do I do the upgrade or not?
post #5732 of 7216
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Originally Posted by adams828 View Post

Okay so i just got a new 50px6ou, and have an old 480i DVD player. I'm planning on waiting for a while to see where HD-DVD/BluRay goes, however I'd like to see if I can't get a slightly better DVD picture out of my system than the old DVD player. Can anyone reccomend a good DVD that matches up well with this TV? I've been looking around at ~$100 players like the Panasonic DVD-S53K and Sony DVP-NS75H.. any thoughts?

I've got that Sony upconverting player (DVP-NS75H). It's a good DVD player. I had it hooked up to my 600u via HDMI. Keep in mind that upconversion will only occur from that player when using HDMI.
post #5733 of 7216
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Originally Posted by genes View Post

I checked my firmware and I have 1.04 on a 50PX60U. The plasma concierge will send me an update to 1.25, but said that it is irreversible and that I should be sure I want to do the upgrade. I have experienced some red faces. Do I do the upgrade or not?

I find it hard to believe that anything is irreversible. They probably mean that "you" won't be able to go back, but a technician could...if needed to. In any event, I don't remember that firmware mentioning anything about reds. I thought it fixed clay face and black details...

1.25 9/1/2006 Poor picture details
Faces appear as "Clay Faces"
Excessive brightness with no details in the black level

http://www.pasctraining.panasonic.co...downloads1.asp
post #5734 of 7216
My "red faces" could be "clay faces", I don't know. Bottom line question: Is there any downside to upgrading to firmware version 1.25?
post #5735 of 7216
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Originally Posted by wesmoc View Post

Just got the TH-58PX600U yesterday. I've got everything hooked up, and all is good.

I've got a mythtv setup throughout the house. The box connected to the 600U has an nVidia GeForce6200 with VGA, DVI, S-Video, and Component out. Right now, I have the system plugged in to the TV via component out, and, with the right configs in my xorg.conf, the picture is beautiful at 720p.

I would prefer to connect my mythtv box up to the TV via VGA or HDMI, but I cannot seem to get the configuration done properly.

My understanding is that I should be able to display the 720p image either via VGA or component, but I cannot seem to get it to display at 720p via VGA. At least, I can't get it to display as clearly as it is via the component connection.

Are there any special modelines or options that need to be enabled in xorg.conf in order to display at 720p via VGA on this TV?

Another question...on my other (cheaper) flat panel TV (off brand), it actually displays up in the top left corner of the screen, for about 2 seconds, the display properties. This allows me to confirm that it is displaying at the proper resolution. Is there any way on the 600U to determine what it is currently displaying at (720p? 480p? etc)?

See PAGE 54 of your operating manual. There is a chart there which clearly shows all the acceptable resolutions and refresh rates for your model. The Panasonics are actually 768p displays not 720p. Try setting your VGA output video card resolution to 1366 x 768 with a refresh rate of 60hz. This is the screens native resolution and when going direct from a PC it is really the only proper way to do it.
post #5736 of 7216
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Originally Posted by Todd Scott View Post

See PAGE 54 of your operating manual. There is a chart there which clearly shows all the acceptable resolutions and refresh rates for your model. The Panasonics are actually 768p displays not 720p. Try setting your VGA output video card resolution to 1366 x 768 with a refresh rate of 60hz. This is the screens native resolution and when going direct from a PC it is really the only proper way to do it.

Hrmm.. ok.. Saw that. It's interesting that the component is pumping out 720p, and the TV is happy with it. *shrug*

Maybe I should just get one of those component splitters and just forget about doing VGA.

The problem with 768p (1366x768) over VGA is that I can't seem to get this nvidia driver to do 136*x768.. ugh.
post #5737 of 7216
Hi guys, just got my 50PX60U this morning and am watching full screen DVD (X-Files) after changing the view mode to standard and reducing the brightness and color/picture to 0. I have a 6600 OC video card connected view VGA (DVI is going to my monitor) to component video #2 on the TV, but I don't get any picture at all. The Nvidia control panel recognizes a analog adapter and after running the multi monitor wizard I've changed the resolution to 1360x768 rebooted, etc., but no picture. It's set to dualview mode, and the NEC monitor as primary.

Can anyone help me get this going? Did I miss a step?

Thanks.
post #5738 of 7216
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Originally Posted by biosol View Post

Hi guys, just got my 50PX60U this morning and am watching full screen DVD (X-Files) after changing the view mode to standard and reducing the brightness and color/picture to 0.

Grabbed this from another site (you can find it on a couple of sites) which has come good recommendations on picture settings (the 600U and 60U had the same recommended settings):
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Optimal picture settings for the Panasonic TH-58PX600U using ISF calibration:
Picture Mode    Standard
Picture         +22
Brightness      +8
Color   -1
Tint    -4
Sharpness       -14
Color Temperature       Warm
Enhanced Black Level    Off
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Originally Posted by biosol View Post

I have a 6600 OC video card connected view VGA (DVI is going to my monitor) to component video #2 on the TV, but I don't get any picture at all. The Nvidia control panel recognizes a analog adapter and after running the multi monitor wizard I've changed the resolution to 1360x768 rebooted, etc., but no picture. It's set to dualview mode, and the NEC monitor as primary.

Can anyone help me get this going? Did I miss a step?

Thanks.

VGA to component? Do you mean you have one of those VGA to 3 wire adapters? If so, then it won't work. Those kind of cables only split the VGA signal to RGB, not to the expected (by the tv) YPrPb. To go from VGA to component, you need VGA to component converter (typically ~$129US).
post #5739 of 7216
Well, that's probably the problem. In talking with some on another forum they said they have VGA to component, but didn't mention the additional adapter/converter. I'll hook up the DVI to HDMI and try it that way.
post #5740 of 7216
Ok, that worked. Got a very good picture with some 720p videos files. 2 things though, first I lost most of my desktop icons, where'd they go? Second, the resolution is set for 1280x720. How can I set a custom resolution of 1366x768? First tried 720p output from the video card, now have it set for 1080i. Don't know if I can tell a difference yet...
post #5741 of 7216
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Originally Posted by genes View Post

I checked my firmware and I have 1.04 on a 50PX60U. The plasma concierge will send me an update to 1.25, but said that it is irreversible and that I should be sure I want to do the upgrade. I have experienced some red faces. Do I do the upgrade or not?

Yes. The changes on mine were subtle, but in the right direction. Most issues are source generated not the panel.
post #5742 of 7216
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Originally Posted by biosol View Post

Ok, that worked. Got a very picture with some 720p videos files. 2 things though, first I lost most of my desktop icons, where'd they go?

Are they on the desktop, but just not visible (aka: off the side of the screen)? If not, then it's probably easier to recreate them than to try and find where they went.
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Second, the resolution is set for 1280x720. How can I set a custom resolution of 1366x768? First tried 720p output from the video card, now have it set for 1080i. Don't know if I can tell a difference yet...

As someone just pointed out to me a few posts back, check the manual (page 54) for a grid of what resolutions are supported over each medium (component, hdmi, and pc (vga)). When going over HDMI, you can push 720p, 1080i, and 1080p, and the resolution is fixed at a max of 1280x720. The only way to get to 1366x768 is to use the VGA connection, and personally, I am having a world of problems with that...

720p and 1080i are very close in picture quality. Most people just pick one and stick with it. I'm not going to try to tell you which one because it becomes a personal preference as one has benefits over the other.
post #5743 of 7216
We bought a 50PX60U about 2 months ago,while watching a movie I noticed something strange on the screen. While the picture is dark,I noticed a "lighter" shade of black about the size of a sheet of notebook paper just right of center,at the bottom of the screen. If I switch to "comp 1" where the screen is totally black,this is where I can see it,but its not that noticable while viewing.Does anyone know what this is and if it is something that can be fixed?
post #5744 of 7216
Hello all. First this is not a Burn In/IR question. I will be taking delivery of my long awaited 50" 600U next week and I'm wondering...should I do an initial hook up with the coaxial and auto program the channels to ensure I have a good signal THEN hook up my HDMI and repeat? Or just hook up the new STB (Scientific Atlantic Explorer 4250HD and it has not been used or programmed yet) with the HDMI and wing it. PS any issues with this STB and is the TV Guide worth programming (clicking noise notwithstanding)? Look forward to interacting with you all.
post #5745 of 7216
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Originally Posted by The Vulcan View Post

Hello all. First this is not a Burn In/IR question. I will be taking delivery of my long awaited 50" 600U next week and I'm wondering...should I do an initial hook up with the coaxial and auto program the channels to ensure I have a good signal THEN hook up my HDMI and repeat? Or just hook up the new STB (Scientific Atlantic Explorer 4250HD and it has not been used or programmed yet) with the HDMI and wing it. PS any issues with this STB and is the TV Guide worth programming (clicking noise notwithstanding)? Look forward to interacting with you all.


FWIW - Hopefully, you have read through the entire thread. That being said, Do NOT do an auto scan of the channels UNTIL AFTER you have the TV guide operational for a day or two. Failure to do so could cause a bit of grief on your part.

Been there, done it...

Enjoy the 600u, I know I do.
..Mark
post #5746 of 7216
Got the desktop icons back. I right clicked on the desktop and under properties ran the desktop clean up option.

Been watching some cool stuff all day. The Divx versions of the Planet Earth series were nice, but I actually think some Divx videos I have from Japanese prime time shows are noticeably more detailed/sharper. Both are Divx and about the size file size, maybe they don't compress the initial signal as much?? Can't wait for some non-Divx'd HD content though...

The cable guy comes tomorrow. I haven't run any auto channel scans or anything, is there anything I need to watch the cable guy for?

Thanks.
post #5747 of 7216
Originally Posted by stripe
"It DOES process incoming digital formats in the 1080p mode (internally). A quick chat with some members of the engineering group for Matsushita confirmed exactly that. This is one of the key features of Panasonic's 9th generation plasma panels.

Some forum members are simply misinformed, or were given distorted facts."


So will sending a 1080p signal to the TV result in a better picture? I know that these sets throw away some resolution at 1080i and don't do inverce telecine of 1080i either. Will sending the set a 1080p60 signal result in more clarity/detail?
post #5748 of 7216
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Originally Posted by LJ25 View Post

Originally Posted by stripe
"It DOES process incoming digital formats in the 1080p mode (internally). A quick chat with some members of the engineering group for Matsushita confirmed exactly that. This is one of the key features of Panasonic's 9th generation plasma panels.

Some forum members are simply misinformed, or were given distorted facts."


So will sending a 1080p signal to the TV result in a better picture? I know that these sets throw away some resolution at 1080i and don't do inverce telecine of 1080i either. Will sending the set a 1080p60 signal result in more clarity/detail?

That my friend is the million dollar question! Can anyone with hd-dvd, blu-ray confirm?
post #5749 of 7216
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Originally Posted by bbonds View Post

I've got that Sony upconverting player (DVP-NS75H). It's a good DVD player. I had it hooked up to my 600u via HDMI. Keep in mind that upconversion will only occur from that player when using HDMI.


I also have the DVP-NS75H with the 600U. It's a very good inexpensive upconverting unit that seems to play just about everything without a problem. Shop around. CC had it on sale a few months back.
post #5750 of 7216
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Originally Posted by wesmoc View Post

Grabbed this from another site (you can find it on a couple of sites) which has come good recommendations on picture settings (the 600U and 60U had the same recommended settings):
Code:
Optimal picture settings for the Panasonic TH-58PX600U using ISF calibration:
Picture Mode    Standard
Picture         +22
Brightness      +8
Color   -1
Tint    -4
Sharpness       -14
Color Temperature       Warm
Enhanced Black Level    Off

Uh, yeah, anybody that's read this thread is well aware of what that website says. It's also been discussed that unless you live in a glass house, +22 for the picture setting is awful bright. +13 is usually closer to reality. Each set is going to vary somewhat. They don't all look exactly the same rolling off the assembly line.
post #5751 of 7216
Is the PX600 able to display 2 channels at the same time with 1 RF in? when I push split screen I get the current channel + a component input or whatever was used last. I have a TH37PD25U that will do 2 channel picture in picture with the ability to change channels on both screens with the same 1 RF in.

Anyone know the pic n pic capability of the PX600?
Thanks
post #5752 of 7216
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Originally Posted by genes View Post

I checked my firmware and I have 1.04 on a 50PX60U. The plasma concierge will send me an update to 1.25, but said that it is irreversible and that I should be sure I want to do the upgrade. I have experienced some red faces. Do I do the upgrade or not?

The upgrade is not irreversible but it must be performed by Panasonic. This is a chargeable service call. (I have an email from them if you want me to PM it to you). Just because an upgrade is offered doesn't mean it has to be applied, as per Panasonic some will find an improvement others will not (this upgrage does not address the red face issue). Since others found the PQ worse after the upgrade, I decided not to apply it and instead worked around it.
post #5753 of 7216
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Originally Posted by Contsi View Post

Is the PX600 able to display 2 channels at the same time with 1 RF in? when I push split screen I get the current channel + a component input or whatever was used last. I have a TH37PD25U that will do 2 channel picture in picture with the ability to change channels on both screens with the same 1 RF in.

Anyone know the pic n pic capability of the PX600?
Thanks

Nope, the current models only have one tuner, so you'd need another device with a second tuner (like a VCR or cable box) to watch a second channel. The built-in PIP will only you allow to watch two different inputs, not two channels on the same RF input.

Also note that the PIP will not display any HDMI inputs. So if you want to use your cable box as one input and the RF as another, the cable box would have to be hooked up via component.
post #5754 of 7216
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Originally Posted by genes View Post

I checked my firmware and I have 1.04 on a 50PX60U. The plasma concierge will send me an update to 1.25, but said that it is irreversible and that I should be sure I want to do the upgrade. I have experienced some red faces. Do I do the upgrade or not?

I find that my TV pushes reds slightly also. Try turning up Tint a click or two and turning down the Color setting 2-3 clicks. I find that having Color too high really exaggerates the reds -- especially making actors cheeks and faces appear too "ruddy" complexioned in close-ups. I also personally prefer the more "realistic" look of having Color a little lower, as colors don't glow in real life. I'm always amazed at how rich the colors are even at Color set to -9 (thank jeebus i went plasma instead of lcd).

If you turn Color down to combat the red and find that you're unhappy with the blue/green saturation, you could try turning Color Mgmt on (which makes greens a little more vibrant). I find I don't need it, but fiddle around and see what you like.

Also, as others pointed out, the problems are often in the source material.
post #5755 of 7216
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I find that my TV pushes reds slightly also. Try turning up Tint a click or two and turning down the Color setting 2-3 clicks. I find that having Color too high really exaggerates the reds -- especially making actors cheeks and faces appear too "ruddy" complexioned in close-ups. I also personally prefer the more "realistic" look of having Color a little lower, as colors don't glow in real life. I'm always amazed at how rich the colors are even at Color set to -9 (thank jeebus i went plasma instead of lcd)...

I have the same preference regarding color, and I also have mine set at -9. Even at that, sometimes the color is a little too intense, but that's the source, not the TV.

Slightly off-topic: I was in Costco last night. It was the first time I'd seen TVs in a store since we got the 600U (that's strange - I hadn't been in a store w/ TVs in over 2 months?). Anyway, they looked horrible in Vivid mode w/ the contrast and color blasted out. Before I got mine, I thought the store models looked pretty decent.

Doug
post #5756 of 7216
Hi everyone. I just bought and have had delivered the th-58px600u. I'm watching a DVD movie and when there's some bass that comes through the movie I'll hear a buzzing noise. The buzzing noise seems to be the back panel vibrating with the bass. If I place my hand against the back panel it stops buzzing. Any suggestions or solutions?
post #5757 of 7216
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Originally Posted by crimscrem View Post

Hi everyone. I just bought and have had delivered the th-58px600u. I'm watching a DVD movie and when there's some bass that comes through the movie I'll hear a buzzing noise. The buzzing noise seems to be the back panel vibrating with the bass. If I place my hand against the back panel it stops buzzing. Any suggestions or solutions?

Just stand by the TV and keep your hand on the back panel........

Sorry...couldn't resist............

Does your audio come through the TV or is it coming out through a receiver?

Have you registered with Panasonic Concierge yet.....They might have a suggestion for you
post #5758 of 7216
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Originally Posted by mikeyinokc View Post

Just stand by the TV and keep your hand on the back panel........

Sorry...couldn't resist............

Does your audio come through the TV or is it coming out through a receiver?

Have you registered with Panasonic Concierge yet.....They might have a suggestion for you

I figured I'd hear that from someone! The audio is coming in through only the TV as I have yet to purchase a receiver and speakers. I'll check with Panasonic Concierge as well. THanks.
post #5759 of 7216
Check and make sure all the screws holding the back panel on are tight. Make sure all of the screws are there too. Maybe use some tape to help dampen the noise. You can move the tape to different sections of the back panel to help isolate the specific area the vibration is happening.
post #5760 of 7216
i have 50in 60u and a moxi box from charter.
it seems that the tv does a much better job scalling than the moxi box.

any way the moxi is connected using composite and set for wide screen 1080i
but if i watch an sd channel with the cable coax connected directly to the tv it seems to look much better than watching the same channel through the moxi box. so does any one have any suggestion how to improve the quality through the moxi box or suggestions on settings.

tia
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