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post #5791 of 7183
4/16/07 at 7:37am
As soon as I post this, I get issues....of course right? It says my signal is at 88%, however it drops the picture now, before it wouldn't be an issue. Will the firmware help this?
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post #5792 of 7183
4/16/07 at 8:46am
Every once in a while my picture drops as well and it looks as if the TV is searching for it. I usually have to change back to an SD channel and then go back to the HD one and it will be ok...but it's a pain in the neck for sure. I was not sure if it was a firmware issue of a STB one. I will probably give Panasonic a call and see what the cause might be. Hopefully, it's a signal strength problem and not a TV issue. I have VERY little experience in this department so I am a little worried about going about fixing it...
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post #5793 of 7183
4/16/07 at 9:09am
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Originally Posted by Krazy Train View Post

Every once in a while my picture drops as well and it looks as if the TV is searching for it. I usually have to change back to an SD channel and then go back to the HD one and it will be ok...but it's a pain in the neck for sure. I was not sure if it was a firmware issue of a STB one. I will probably give Panasonic a call and see what the cause might be. Hopefully, it's a signal strength problem and not a TV issue. I have VERY little experience in this department so I am a little worried about going about fixing it...

This can be caused by reflections (called multi-path) if you have obstructions between broadcast and receiving antenna. I notice this all the time during windy conditions as I have many trees and even with a 90% signal strength I will occasionally get drop-outs during storms.
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post #5794 of 7183
4/16/07 at 9:43am
Fed my 6u a 1080p signal from a VP50 for the first time this weekend. I noticed the Panasonic is accepting the signal as 1080p but appears to be using the SD color matrix per the picture menu..... can anyone else confirm this error via their menu or otherwise?

I'm a bit disappointed because I have done extensive calibration using the service menu and this would bypass my settings and possibly cause other problems if it is being processed differently.

I am tempted just to mirror my HD settings in the SD regions as it should be pretty close. The 1080p fed to the set seems a little smoother overall with a little more detail but shows more CUE which may or may not come from the VP50 itself.
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post #5795 of 7183
4/16/07 at 10:08am
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

This can be caused by reflections (called multi-path) if you have obstructions between broadcast and receiving antenna. I notice this all the time during windy conditions as I have many trees and even with a 90% signal strength I will occasionally get drop-outs during storms.


I have had it in perfect conditions as well. I have cable and all the wires in the neighborhood are actually buried underground. I think I will probably just call cablevision and have them send someone over to make sure the signal does not need to be "amped" up a little.
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post #5796 of 7183
4/16/07 at 10:26am
ah, I thought your reply to Zack S meant you were talking about OTA as well. yes, if you get drop-outs via cable that sounds like a cable box problem.
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post #5797 of 7183
4/16/07 at 11:27am
They are sending me the update, however my second question was about the service menu. How do you stop the service menu from popping up everytime you press the volume button? I have it running to my receiver so it's not that big of a deal, but I do use the TV speakers occasionally (read, when I'm lazy).
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post #5798 of 7183
4/16/07 at 11:42am
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Originally Posted by Zack S View Post

They are sending me the update, however my second question was about the service menu. How do you stop the service menu from popping up everytime you press the volume button? I have it running to my receiver so it's not that big of a deal, but I do use the TV speakers occasionally (read, when I'm lazy).

Have you turned off the TV since entering the service menu? Try walking up and pushing the power button ON THE TV, wait a minute, and then turn it back on. The service menu should be gone.
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post #5799 of 7183
4/16/07 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

ah, I thought your reply to Zack S meant you were talking about OTA as well. yes, if you get drop-outs via cable that sounds like a cable box problem.


Sorry about the confusion my friend...I should have made that clear from the get go...my bad...
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post #5800 of 7183
4/16/07 at 12:59pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Have you turned off the TV since entering the service menu? Try walking up and pushing the power button ON THE TV, wait a minute, and then turn it back on. The service menu should be gone.

I've already shut it off twice, still does it
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post #5801 of 7183
4/16/07 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by Zack S View Post

I've already shut it off twice, still does it

From the Bruzziforums, try this:

The "CAT" Menu Keeps Coming Up On Screen

( 50U/500U - 6U/60U/600U Models )



After accessing the Service Menu, If the "CAS" menu keeps coming up every time you turn your Plasma on:

* Unplug the power cable for several minutes.
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post #5802 of 7183
4/16/07 at 3:51pm
I could not find a better thread to post this on - please let me know if there is one.
The question I have is about TH-50PX60U. While watching a movie (The illusionist) I noticed some bad thing that I have difficulty to describe. It was a blob of lighter shade (irregular oval shape with discolored edge) appearing on very dark part of the picture (at that moment picture also has some pretty bright areas as well). I do not think it supposed to be there, because I could not see it on my other monitor. Does anyone understand what I am trying to describe? If so, could you please let me know if it is the way TH-50PX60U is or some adjustments need to be made?
My current settings are:
Pic. mode Standard
Color temp Warm
Black level Light
Color mng. Off
Video NR Off
3D Y/C filter Off
Color matrix SD
MPEG NR Off
Picture -6
Brightness +4
Color +2
Tint -2
Sharpness -20
I am trying to choose which monitor shall be used for movies (dark room) and which for regular SD TV (regular light living room) and, at this point at least, can not make a decision. It might look like I am trying to use this forum as a spouse - that is to make a decision for me. Well don't take it the wrong way.
Thank you for your help.
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post #5803 of 7183
4/16/07 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by SaladShooter View Post

Fed my 6u a 1080p signal from a VP50 for the first time this weekend. I noticed the Panasonic is accepting the signal as 1080p but appears to be using the SD color matrix per the picture menu..... can anyone else confirm this error via their menu or otherwise?

I'm a bit disappointed because I have done extensive calibration using the service menu and this would bypass my settings and possibly cause other problems if it is being processed differently.

I am tempted just to mirror my HD settings in the SD regions as it should be pretty close. The 1080p fed to the set seems a little smoother overall with a little more detail but shows more CUE which may or may not come from the VP50 itself.

How are you doing the VP50 output? If might depend on whether you use RGB or YCrCb option.
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post #5804 of 7183
4/16/07 at 4:56pm
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

How are you doing the VP50 output? If might depend on whether you use RGB or YCrCb option.


I just checked.... it doesn't make any difference using either color space option. Picture menu reports SD color matrix when 1080p is input from the VP50. My guess is that it does this for all 1080p signals but I don't have a device other than the VP50 to test the theory.
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post #5805 of 7183
4/16/07 at 4:58pm
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Originally Posted by Zack S View Post

They are sending me the update, however my second question was about the service menu. How do you stop the service menu from popping up everytime you press the volume button? I have it running to my receiver so it's not that big of a deal, but I do use the TV speakers occasionally (read, when I'm lazy).

Remember not everyone needs the firmware upgrade. If you don't have issues you may want to rethink this.
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post #5806 of 7183
4/16/07 at 5:01pm
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Originally Posted by uniqueuserid View Post

I could not find a better thread to post this on - please let me know if there is one.
The question I have is about TH-50PX60U. While watching a movie (The illusionist) I noticed some bad thing that I have difficulty to describe. It was a blob of lighter shade (irregular oval shape with discolored edge) appearing on very dark part of the picture (at that moment picture also has some pretty bright areas as well). I do not think it supposed to be there, because I could not see it on my other monitor. Does anyone understand what I am trying to describe? If so, could you please let me know if it is the way TH-50PX60U is or some adjustments need to be made?
My current settings are:
Pic. mode Standard
Color temp Warm
Black level Light
Color mng. Off
Video NR Off
3D Y/C filter Off
Color matrix SD
MPEG NR Off
Picture -6
Brightness +4
Color +2
Tint -2
Sharpness -20
I am trying to choose which monitor shall be used for movies (dark room) and which for regular SD TV (regular light living room) and, at this point at least, can not make a decision. It might look like I am trying to use this forum as a spouse - that is to make a decision for me. Well don't take it the wrong way.
Thank you for your help.

I have similar occurrences on my set.... green or blue auras around light objects within dark scenes.... unusual light colored blobs near the edge on other dark scenes....they are rare but distracting. I feel that most are source problems that may be exaggerated on the Panasonic.
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post #5807 of 7183
4/16/07 at 5:10pm
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Originally Posted by SaladShooter View Post

I just checked.... it doesn't make any difference using either color space option. Picture menu reports SD color matrix when 1080p is input from the VP50. My guess is that it does this for all 1080p signals but I don't have a device other than the VP50 to test the theory.

Have you checked what the service menu reports as the memory location? It's probably using the HD memory locations anyway and if you are sending it RGB then the decoding is happening in the VP50 and it won't matter what the panny has for SD/HD matrix.
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post #5808 of 7183
4/16/07 at 6:44pm
Thanks SaladShooter.
Do you happen to know the proper name for this problem? I find it hard to believe that an issue like this is ignored by the members of this forum; may be we just got couple of bad units. Otherwise I would like to learn more about it and possibly fix it. Was your set professionally calibrated?
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post #5809 of 7183
4/16/07 at 8:23pm
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Originally Posted by uniqueuserid View Post

Thanks SaladShooter.
Do you happen to know the proper name for this problem? I find it hard to believe that an issue like this is ignored by the members of this forum; may be we just got couple of bad units. Otherwise I would like to learn more about it and possibly fix it. Was your set professionally calibrated?

Don't quote me on this, as I am no expert, but it sounds like the "floating blacks" issue reported by the CNet review.

Quoting from CNet:

"Blacks and dark areas of the picture, as we have come to expect from Panasonic plasmas over the years, are deep and rich. However, the set floats black, which means blacks pump or fluctuate slightly, becoming darker or lighter depending on how much bright content is in a given scene."

Since you report these lighter "blobs" appear in the dark areas when there are other bright areas on screen, I think that's what you are seeing. I believe it has something to do with the "dynamic contrast enhancement" feature of the plasma or something. At this point, you have officially exceeding my technical knowledge of the subject

Check if the CATS option is turned "ON" in the Picture menu, I believe this settings ups the "dynamic contrast" boost and turning if off may help...
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post #5810 of 7183
4/16/07 at 10:31pm
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Originally Posted by uniqueuserid View Post

I could not find a better thread to post this on - please let me know if there is one.
The question I have is about TH-50PX60U. While watching a movie (The illusionist) I noticed some bad thing that I have difficulty to describe. It was a blob of lighter shade (irregular oval shape with discolored edge) appearing on very dark part of the picture (at that moment picture also has some pretty bright areas as well). I do not think it supposed to be there, because I could not see it on my other monitor. Does anyone understand what I am trying to describe? If so, could you please let me know if it is the way TH-50PX60U is or some adjustments need to be made?
My current settings are:
Pic. mode Standard
Color temp Warm
Black level Light
Color mng. Off
Video NR Off
3D Y/C filter Off
Color matrix SD
MPEG NR Off
Picture -6
Brightness +4
Color +2
Tint -2
Sharpness -20
I am trying to choose which monitor shall be used for movies (dark room) and which for regular SD TV (regular light living room) and, at this point at least, can not make a decision. It might look like I am trying to use this forum as a spouse - that is to make a decision for me. Well don't take it the wrong way.
Thank you for your help.

Does this just happen on The Illusionist and in the same places every time? If so, it could be the way The Illusionist was shot. If I remember correctly, the picture was very stylized and supposed to look somewhat like a "moving picture" from that time period.
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post #5811 of 7183
4/16/07 at 11:30pm
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Originally Posted by uniqueuserid View Post

I could not find a better thread to post this on - please let me know if there is one.
The question I have is about TH-50PX60U. While watching a movie (The illusionist) I noticed some bad thing that I have difficulty to describe. It was a blob of lighter shade (irregular oval shape with discolored edge) appearing on very dark part of the picture (at that moment picture also has some pretty bright areas as well). I do not think it supposed to be there, because I could not see it on my other monitor. Does anyone understand what I am trying to describe? If so, could you please let me know if it is the way TH-50PX60U is or some adjustments need to be made?
My current settings are:
Pic. mode Standard
Color temp Warm
Black level Light
Color mng. Off
Video NR Off
3D Y/C filter Off
Color matrix SD
MPEG NR Off
Picture -6
Brightness +4
Color +2
Tint -2
Sharpness -20
I am trying to choose which monitor shall be used for movies (dark room) and which for regular SD TV (regular light living room) and, at this point at least, can not make a decision. It might look like I am trying to use this forum as a spouse - that is to make a decision for me. Well don't take it the wrong way.
Thank you for your help.

Do you do all your viewing in the dark? I ask because your pic setting of -6 seems awfuly low. Have you calibrated using DVE or Avia?
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post #5812 of 7183
4/17/07 at 2:39am
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Originally Posted by uniqueuserid View Post

Thanks SaladShooter.
Do you happen to know the proper name for this problem? I find it hard to believe that an issue like this is ignored by the members of this forum; may be we just got couple of bad units. Otherwise I would like to learn more about it and possibly fix it. Was your set professionally calibrated?

My set was not professionally calibrated, I've done my own work with the service menu.

I don't feel this is a defect in the set. In my opinion the Panasonic is exaggerating problems in the source material or is unable to render it perfectly. As someone else mentioned it is likely a function of the dynamic contrast processing.

It is definitely not the floating black issue. Floating blacks occur as pulsing changes in black level.
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post #5813 of 7183
4/17/07 at 5:16am
Has anyone been watching the Tudors on Showtime? Every episode I notice a kind of pulsing color fluctuation, much like something turning the black level from dark to light over and over again though not that pronounced. It seems to only occurr duting this program. Has anyone else noticed this or is it an issue with my 50-600U?
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post #5814 of 7183
4/17/07 at 5:21am
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Originally Posted by uniqueuserid View Post

I could not find a better thread to post this on - please let me know if there is one.
The question I have is about TH-50PX60U. While watching a movie (The illusionist) I noticed some bad thing that I have difficulty to describe. It was a blob of lighter shade (irregular oval shape with discolored edge) appearing on very dark part of the picture (at that moment picture also has some pretty bright areas as well). I do not think it supposed to be there, because I could not see it on my other monitor. Does anyone understand what I am trying to describe? If so, could you please let me know if it is the way TH-50PX60U is or some adjustments need to be made?
My current settings are:
Pic. mode Standard
Color temp Warm
Black level Light
Color mng. Off
Video NR Off
3D Y/C filter Off
Color matrix SD
MPEG NR Off
Picture -6
Brightness +4
Color +2
Tint -2
Sharpness -20
I am trying to choose which monitor shall be used for movies (dark room) and which for regular SD TV (regular light living room) and, at this point at least, can not make a decision. It might look like I am trying to use this forum as a spouse - that is to make a decision for me. Well don't take it the wrong way.
Thank you for your help.

Are the lighter shade areas on the same row as the really bright areas?
I have noticed an artifact where if there is a very bright (white) area of the screen, it will make all the other columns on the row darker (or brighter... cannot remember, I just remember it is different). It is very apparent when you have people in front of bright back lit venetian blinds (because it leaves stripes across the people).
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post #5815 of 7183
4/17/07 at 5:33am
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Originally Posted by uniqueuserid View Post

I could not find a better thread to post this on - please let me know if there is one.
The question I have is about TH-50PX60U. While watching a movie (The illusionist) I noticed some bad thing that I have difficulty to describe. It was a blob of lighter shade (irregular oval shape with discolored edge) appearing on very dark part of the picture (at that moment picture also has some pretty bright areas as well). I do not think it supposed to be there, because I could not see it on my other monitor. Does anyone understand what I am trying to describe? If so, could you please let me know if it is the way TH-50PX60U is or some adjustments need to be made?
My current settings are:
Pic. mode Standard
Color temp Warm
Black level Light
Color mng. Off
Video NR Off
3D Y/C filter Off
Color matrix SD
MPEG NR Off
Picture -6
Brightness +4
Color +2
Tint -2
Sharpness -20
I am trying to choose which monitor shall be used for movies (dark room) and which for regular SD TV (regular light living room) and, at this point at least, can not make a decision. It might look like I am trying to use this forum as a spouse - that is to make a decision for me. Well don't take it the wrong way.
Thank you for your help.

I know the exact effect you speak of as I also saw this on the illusionist DVD on my Panny 42" set. I only saw it in certain spots, mostly when they were flashing back to the illusionists childhood. These scenes are giving pretty much every digital TV headaches since it was shot in such a starnge way. I wouldnt worry about it, this wont be the first movie that you'll see this effect. It happens very rarely and to me its not worth fretting over.

That being said, if it really bothers you then you could try another TV but I suspect that pretty much the same thing is gonna happen. Also, I agree with others that your Contrast/Picture setting is too low. Most calibrated sets have this value in the lower teens, like +12 to +15.

Hope that helps.....
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post #5816 of 7183
4/17/07 at 9:01am
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Originally Posted by Rombryo View Post

Has anyone been watching the Tudors on Showtime? Every episode I notice a kind of pulsing color fluctuation, much like something turning the black level from dark to light over and over again though not that pronounced. It seems to only occurr duting this program. Has anyone else noticed this or is it an issue with my 50-600U?


I bet you have Dish Network HD.... Showtime has floating blacks for me all the time. If you pay attention you will start seeing it on other programs as well.
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post #5817 of 7183
4/17/07 at 10:45am
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Originally Posted by letsee13 View Post

OK,now what am I doing wrong? I have this hooked up just to a DVD player for now (have to wait till my table gets here to hook it up to the Moto 6412 III cable box) and the sound from my DVDs seems odd. The speech/spoken word on my DVD playback on this TV is so much quieter than the music/sound effect tracks. I have the audio on the TV set to the factory defaults (AI off, Surround on). When I turn surround off it is better, but I lose the more full sound of the surround. Is there a way to increase the "center" channel type sound?

Anyone please?
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post #5818 of 7183
4/17/07 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by letsee13 View Post

Anyone please?

Maybe change your DVD player audio settings to output PCM stereo instead of 5.1 DD or DTS.
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post #5819 of 7183
4/17/07 at 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by uniqueuserid View Post

Picture -6
Brightness +4
Color +2
Tint -2
Sharpness -20

Unless you're doing this for break-in purposes, you have to be watching a pretty dark display at a picture setting of -6. I'm not sure that any of the advice on this board as to what you're seeing would even apply. Heck, why even buy a plasma if you're going to confine it to -6...
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post #5820 of 7183
4/17/07 at 3:26pm
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Originally Posted by uniqueuserid View Post

Thanks SaladShooter.
Do you happen to know the proper name for this problem? I find it hard to believe that an issue like this is ignored by the members of this forum; may be we just got couple of bad units. Otherwise I would like to learn more about it and possibly fix it. Was your set professionally calibrated?

Do a search in this thread. It's called false contouring. We had quite a discussion about it, and we specifically mentioned the Illusionist.

Doug
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