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post #61 of 282
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How are you guys maintaining tension across the top of the screen? It seems that as long as you keep that tight, the wrinkles across the rest of the screen should be minimal.

Steve,

would love to see your setup. I live just behind Lifetime Fitness East of Randall Road.

thanks,
scott

Back in my more youthful days (last year), I used to go to that LifeTime Fitness (I also lived on the south side of Crystal Lake at that time--we have since moved to the north side, and I rarely venture down that way anymore, except to use the drive through Starbucks when I have my three kids in the car...)

Anyway, back to the discussion. My screen is tensed by a rope across the top of the screen, and sits within a hem on my screen. The rope slides through two large eyelets that sit on the top of my two poles. The rope then comes down at about 45 deg., wraps around a hook, and is tied onto itself with a rope ratchet. I can then make it very, very tight, and it holds the screen up very nicely. However, the weight of the screen, and the rope across the top tend to make the poles on either side to bow ever so slightly inwards, so I have ropes attached to the poles themselves, coming down at 45 deg. and tied off on my fence (although I could probably use rope ratchets here, as well.

Any wrinkles tend to pretty much disappear with this set up, especially when the movie gets started--you don't notice a single wrinkle (or for that matter, stain on the screen, caused by me trying to steam iron the canvas--the iron sprayed out steam that then stained the screen--doh!)

In essence, the screen is like a drum--very tight, and very secure. sdspga--When we finally get things up and running (stupid weather...), I'll pass along an invite, and you can come and check it out. (There's another forum member from Woodstock who wants to come out and check it out as well).
post #62 of 282
I used 54" BO cloth, sewn together to create 104" wide. You only notice the seam in very bright scenes where your eyes are focused on the center of the screen and there is no movement. Ever notice that almost all drive-in screens are just a bunch of 4X8 pieces of plywood nailed to a frame? You never really notice it.

I keep tension across the top of the screen by having sewn in pockets to slide my PVC frame through. It's a little tight to assemble the last two or three connections, but it tightens everything up. I then use a set of three tightening ropes on each end (like for tents) to tension everything.

Tom
post #63 of 282
Thanks Steve. I like the ratchet idea to tighten it up. I am thinking of sewing hems along the two sides and sliding the poles through them and fastening at the top. Then employing your idea of the top rope through another hem and tightening somehow. Any problems you can see with this?

BTW, I know what you mean about the weather. I am a golf professional and we just got killed the last week or so. Seems like whenever we have good weather in April, May turns to crap!
post #64 of 282
thanks Tom. I was typing as you were posting. That is exactly what I was thinking. We don't have any fence around my yard, so I was going to sink some sleeves in the ground to slip either PVC or rigid pipe into. I'd like to get the screen 4-5 feet off the ground for viewing angles and to minimize somewhat the "kid shadow desire" mentioned earlier.

scott
post #65 of 282
I've invited the neighbors for an outdoor mem day event. For the gig, I bought an old school tripod rollup 100inch diag screen. Is damn near the same material as any inexpensive screen you'd see out there - or better yet - all the screens you watched cheesy school films in fifth grade science class.

I got 2... 8 foot 2x4s and put holders mid way up, and at the top to hold the screen in place.

My biggest challenge is levelling it since the yard is not flat, and tensioning it so it won't fall in the event of a vigorous breeze.

I'm afraid the 100inch screen won't be big enough for a crowd of 20, and the setup might fall. Any ideas as to what to do other then 2x4s? I'm using a built up cement base that is portable and bolting the 2x4s to it.

I guess it will work??
post #66 of 282
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I used 54" BO cloth, sewn together to create 104" wide. You only notice the seam in very bright scenes where your eyes are focused on the center of the screen and there is no movement. Ever notice that almost all drive-in screens are just a bunch of 4X8 pieces of plywood nailed to a frame? You never really notice it.

Thanks! I may try that - I was hoping not to sew (thus a seam), but that seems like one of the only cheaper alternatives - thus far.

I think if we were sitting 20' back at the drive-in the plywood would be noticeable.
post #67 of 282
jsloyer,

I think while the 100" looks pretty big inside, it won't be big enough in the great outdoors. Some of the dimensions I have seen in this thread are 10', 16', etc. wide. Granted, those are HUGE, but you will need it pretty large to get the WOW effect.

Cannot imagine wind would blow over a screen of this size using 2x4's bolted into cement. You should be fine there IMO.
post #68 of 282
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I would agree about size. 100 inches looks huge inside, with a relatively small room, sitting 2x from the screen. But outside, it is going to disappear.

Although I like the canvas material that I am using, I am exploring BOC that would be wide enough (96 inches high, or so) that is still economical. I'll post if I find anything good...
post #69 of 282
By 100" i mean that would be the height (or about 8'). you can get the cloth cut to any length you want. in case of a 16:9 it would mean you'd need a maximum 14.8' wide screen, or in a 2.35:1 it would be 19.5' wide.
post #70 of 282
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By 100" i mean that would be the height (or about 8'). you can get the cloth cut to any length you want. in case of a 16:9 it would mean you'd need a maximum 14.8' wide screen, or in a 2.35:1 it would be 19.5' wide.

Sorry, Roger--I wasn't clear. I was responding to jsloyer's post above about bringing a 100 inch diagonal screen outside.

And, actually, I am assuming that 100 inch diagonal screen is a square screen (or 4:3)--the screen would be about 7 feet wide. But once you work in widescreen images, you are only dealing with an image that is about 4 ft. high in 1.85:1 aspect ration (and 3 feet high at 2.35:1).
post #71 of 282
spspga & gw -

For at look how my screen looks try my link for some pics (click on OUTDOOR THEATER). My first scheduled summer outdoor movie is this weekend, I'll try to get better pics of the whole setup prccess.

http://members.cavtel.net/thomaslogan

Feel free to PM for additional info!

Tom
post #72 of 282
100" diag is NOT enough outside - period, don't waste time or material. I am near that at 4.5'H 2:35:1 and I have only been watching outside since Feb. and I already want to go larger. Next screen will be a minimum 6' CH. I dont have movie parties [yet] - if so, I would think you want at >or= 8' high and >or= 4' off the ground.

Steve, I appreciate the post of any BOC material of size you find on budget - I will do the same. Right now, Wal-Mart at $3/yd. (54") sewn seems to be the cheapest for me.
post #73 of 282
100" Diag is my 16:9 screen -- so not that high.

tlogan, I'm in Leesburg, where are you? What is this "BOC" stuff? What's that mean?

Yest, I purchased a 12 foot by 14 foot painters cloth from HomoDepot and going to fasten it to a bunch of 2x4s. It's beige and I'm hoping the colors won't look washed out or way off.

If you hit www.dalite.com and download their super cool screen size calculator, it will tell you exactly what size to cut any material to for the size you want. (ie, if you want a 15' wide, it will tell you the height and diag screen based on the type you want (as in 16:9, 2.35:1, 4x3, etc). Pretty cool little program.
post #74 of 282
jsloyer,

that's what i did, used the painters dropcloth.

i painted mine white after i stretched it using some white, flat exterior paint. looks great.

see the link in my signature on how i made mine.
post #75 of 282
I see you used 2x2s. I am planning on 2x4s. I've got no fence, no nothing to fasten it to. So I made a 2x4 16inch square and cured cement in it to be the anchor, and prob gotta use some sort of rope/cord to keep the wind sways away.

I wonder if I can get away without painting it - or maybe the colors will be off.

Anyhow, construction might start tonight as I have only 1 1/2 weeks until show time and getting a bit nervous.

Just curious, how long did it take you to build it up and paint it?
post #76 of 282
If you have the time I would definitely paint it. If not, just get it built in time - once the movie is going not too many guests (if any) will care that the red (or other colors) look off. If you have a brighter DLP or LCD projector with 500+ ANSI lumens it should still look pretty good.

Like many have said before - "don't sweat the little details" - just focus on the overall guest experience.
post #77 of 282
jsloyer -

I'm in Sterling, across from the NOVA campus, behind the Kohls. BOC is BLACK OUT CLOTH. It's usedto line drapes to make them room darkening. I got it at the Joanns in the shopping center across 7 from the NOVA Campus. I hear WallyWorld carries it too. I had the wife sew it together and then sew pockets all around the outside. I made a frame from 1.25 inch PVC and I slide the pieces into the pockets, make the connections and raise it. Didn't need to paint it.

First outdoor movie is this Saturday night (if the weather holds). PM me if you'd like to check it out. We're doing Kid's Night....Racing Stripes.

Tom

P.S. - Don't be afraid to go into the Joanns. I went in and the woman asked me what I was doing with that much of the stuff. I explained that if a man. alone, comes in and is buying this stuff, it's to make a movie screen.
post #78 of 282
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Don't be afraid to go into the Joanns. I went in and the woman asked me what I was doing with that much of the stuff. I explained that if a man. alone, comes in and is buying this stuff, it's to make a movie screen.

LOL Tom! I bought some velvet for screen curtains over the winter and when the lady asked what I was doing, I explained they were for curtains in my HT. I have been there a couple times since buying other HT supplies and I can just hear her thinking "There's that wierd HT guy again"

BTW, have never seen another male in the place!

scott
post #79 of 282
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have never seen another male in the place!

That's becasue we hang around outside, in dark coats, with the collar turned up, peeking in to see if there are any other men inside. Then if the coast is clear, we sneak in, go straight to the rack in back of the store, get what we want and GET OUT as fast as possible, without any one knowing. That is, until your wife yells out across the store." HONEY! OVER HERE! YEAH, YOU OVER THERE, BY THE DARPERY LININGS! OVER HERE!"

Busted!

Tom
post #80 of 282
LOL Yeah I much prefer the Wal-Mart experience. When I went in to a local Hancock's Fabric store (of course only male) to pick up a couple yards of Madonna Dress black velvet for my inside screen frame I was asked the obligitory "whatcha usin' this for" - I said I was going to make a bunch of velvet socks [trying to keep a straight face] - after she stopped laughing she sure took her time measuring and ripping that stuff - guess it was punshiment for my smart-alek remark... all that was left for the storied ending was "I need a price check on black velvet". Thank goodness that didnt happen.
post #81 of 282
I was looking at the Utrecht site for stretcher bars but noticed they also carried large size canvas. Those that have used the HD or Lowe's painted canvas drop - do you happen to know the weight # (10, 12 or so) like the following site offers? I suppose I could always go and look.

I am curious if this is comparable material - I am sure with shipping, etc. HD and Lowe's still might be a cheaper. http://www.utrechtart.com/dsp_view_p...classID=131011

Also, you could feasibly create a 12' (144" x 338") Cinemascope screen by getting a roll of it for $200 + S/H. Talk about sag problems and needing a light cannon! Anyone have an Oak tree with a 30' horizontal limb to hang it from? http://www.utrechtart.com/dsp_view_p...me=&item=67142
post #82 of 282
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I was looking at the Utrecht site for stretcher bars but noticed they also carried large size canvas. Those that have used the HD or Lowe's painted canvas drop - do you happen to know the weight # (10, 12 or so) like the following site offers? I suppose I could always go and look.

I am curious if this is comparable material - I am sure with shipping, etc. HD and Lowe's still might be a cheaper. http://www.utrechtart.com/dsp_view_p...classID=131011

Also, you could feasibly create a 12' (144" x 338") Cinemascope screen by getting a roll of it for $200 + S/H. Talk about sag problems and needing a light cannon! Anyone have an Oak tree with a 30' horizontal limb to hang it from? http://www.utrechtart.com/dsp_view_p...me=&item=67142

Art canvas is what I am using. My screen is cinemascope, 16 feet wide. I got 6 yards of unprimed canvas (96 inches wide) from Dick Blicks for $60, online. I use a Benq6100, which is a light cannon, and the image is very good, even with the darn iron stains (see post above).

With my system (steel pipes on the sides, screen material wrapped around each like a scroll, line across the top that is ratcheted and tightened, and lines down from each pipe to pull the tops of the pipes apart), my screen has no sag problems whatsoever, and is tight as a drum. Wish I had taken some pictures last time I had it up. We are looking to do a Memorial day showing, so hopefully the weather cooperates, and we get it together.
post #83 of 282
Thanks Steve, I remember reading your first few posts back in the other thread though I can not recall if you mentioned what type of paint you use. I know you fold your screen up and store it in the garage, which is something I am looking to do (or at least not permanent outside) - curious about your thoughts [do-overs] on the painting... (colors, types, spray vs. roll, etc.)

A while back you mentioned one layer being too thin - was this with the canvas or the 7$ thin drop cloth from HD? Or did I just answer myself

You also mentioned looking for some larger BOC - would this be to replace the canvas? as I would assume you are not completely thrilled with the image quality on the canvas - or just looking to improve (i.e. the DIYBug).

Thanks for your help - can't wait to see some pics of that set up! I am hoping the weather cooperates for memorial day (Sat. or Sun.) as I may try to get in Cheaper by the Dozen 2 with some family coming in. I'll even try to get an action shot or two of my humble setup.
post #84 of 282
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Thanks Steve, I remember reading your first few posts back in the other thread though I can not recall if you mentioned what type of paint you use. I know you fold your screen up and store it in the garage, which is something I am looking to do (or at least not permanent outside) - curious about your thoughts [do-overs] on the painting... (colors, types, spray vs. roll, etc.)

A while back you mentioned one layer being too thin - was this with the canvas or the 7$ thin drop cloth from HD? Or did I just answer myself

You also mentioned looking for some larger BOC - would this be to replace the canvas? as I would assume you are not completely thrilled with the image quality on the canvas - or just looking to improve (i.e. the DIYBug).

Thanks for your help - can't wait to see some pics of that set up! I am hoping the weather cooperates for memorial day (Sat. or Sun.) as I may try to get in Cheaper by the Dozen 2 with some family coming in. I'll even try to get an action shot or two of my humble setup.


My screenshots in the link in my signature are to the 2005 version of the outdoor screen. I have significantly changed things around this year. If you look at my pictures, you will see that I hung it from my deck, and yes it folded up into a petty messy package that I stored in the garage. That was the screen that was very thin. I used a very thin cotton fabric (only one at the fabric store wide enough to use as a screen without a seam--but then had to line the screen with two Home Depot painters tarps (white cotton on one side, plastic film on the other).

Now, I am using 10 ft. long pipes (3/4 inch steel gas pipe), and the whole screen theoretically rolls up like a scroll. It is a bit big and unwieldy, even when rolled up, but is serviceable.

With respect to the canvas, I think it will be fine. Once it is set up, and dark enough, no wrinkles are evident at all (with the canvas, there are prominent wrinkles throughout in the daylight), and my ironing stains are not noticeable whatsoever while the movie plays. The image was very good, but I tested with some pretty high quality disks. I put in some pixar animated ones (can never go wrong with that), and they, of course, looked excellent. But I also tried the opening scene to SW:EP 3 (space battle) and it also looked excellent. I was afraid the off-white (almost tan color) of the canvas material would make the image look too dark, but it had no problems at all.

So why go with the BOC? Well, with a white screen, I think I might be able to get an even better and brighter image. (I suppose it's more of the DIY bug than anything--always pushing to squeeze that extra performance out...)

One thought I had--primed canvas might be a little better, as I believe the primer is white. I don't know how that affects the "pliability" of the material, though.
post #85 of 282
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One thought I had--primed canvas might be a little better, as I believe the primer is white. I don't know how that affects the "pliability" of the material, though.

Primed canvas is indeed white. I have projected on primed canvas and BOC at the same time and they are very close as far as the way the image looks. Primed canvas is also MUCH stiffer to work with. As far as the pliability I would imagine that you could roll and unroll it hundreds of times (if not more) before it would crack... but that is just a guess!
post #86 of 282
Thanks! Yeah the primed canvas might be a good option.

Do either of you happen to know if the #7 lightweight would work or should one go with the 12 medium or 10 heavy? Cost justification. I was looking at this site and it seems like the color and fabric pattern for the #12 would produce a better image - but then again it could just be fools gold. http://primomart.com/index.php?cPath...FTOVIgodKU4nIg -- I expect canvas color and texture to change by company?


Has anyone seen Cheaper by the Dozen 2? Is it worthy of a an outside family viewing? We watched Doogal last night - and as expected - it was not that great. It has some funny reference quotes and I think the kids liked it some, but overall probably a C-. I think Pixar and Dreamworks have us so spoiled on their standard of animation graphics that anything less just seems blah - guess for the kids it's more about the story - unfortunately that wasnt all that great either.
post #87 of 282
Priming takes away most, but not all of the texture. It depends on the quality of the priming job. The color will be the same no matter where you buy it. As far as I know all artist canvases are primed with gesso, a kind of acrylic base. I would probably do a test of the material before you order a large amount of canvas. If you have some unprimed canvas go to a local art or hobby store and get a small can/bottle of gesso and paint a test piece. Gesso should be readily available. You can also buy a cheap premade canvas and cut out the material.
post #88 of 282
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I honestly don't think the fabric pattern will have any effect on the image at all. If wrinkles don't show up at all (which are fairly prominent) then the almost miniscule fabric pattern won't make a difference at all.


I went with the heaviest grade of canvas, because I wanted to minimize bleed-through to the other side. As it is, I also lined the other side with black weed fabric. I don't think any image gets through that screen (this was more for the neighbors whose house is directly behind where the screen is.

This is the stuff I used:

http://www.dickblick.com/zz073/22/
post #89 of 282
Yeah I was just looking at that site and noticed this: http://www.dickblick.com/zz073/09/ -- I was going to ask if this was the stuff you have, but I see its not. Looks like they dont carry the larger sizes in this type - might be worth a "contact us" to verify. Since I am only looking to do 72" CH at the moment maybe they can do it. I guess the light issue is another reason to consider the BOC... just one peice of fabric.


UPDATE from Blick Art Materials ["contact us"]:

Larger sizes of the primed and umprimed Blick Premium Cotton Canvas would be a special order.

This is how Special Orders work... Anyone at Dick Blick Art Materials can complete the form for you. (phone: 1-800-828-4548 in USA, 309-343-6181 outside USA) Any information you are able to provide will help us find the item is greatly appreciated.

Then, the Special Orders Department researches the details about the products. When they have all the information, Special Orders Department calls you back.

After you hear the details, if you wish to order, you would place the order with the Special Orders Department. Filling out the paperwork does not obligate you to purchase.

This is a service we provide, but it is not a particularly fast service. Special Order Department will tell you how long it would take to receive the items and the cost.

The photos are showing both one side of the unprimed (tan both sides) and the primed (white one side/tan one side).
post #90 of 282
I also noticed that the Kemah Boardwalk near me is doing movie nights in May. Guess they really are starting to catch on. I may need to take a drive out and see their set up - I'll try to get some pics if I go. http://www.kemahboardwalk.com/flash_...h_content.html
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