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post #1 of 451
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http://www.eyefi.tv/product.htm

Here are the pictures of the set (more to follow).

Here is my initial thoughts.

- Set looks not that bad for sub $3K.
- Remote looks cheap and feels cheap.
- Speakers are removable, but looks ugly with attachment railings (i don't know if they can be removed). See next message for the picture.


I used my HTPC with this set. The monitor fired up at 1280x1024 resolution without any problem using monoprice DVI2HDMI cable.
I am currently having problem with setting the resolution @ 1920x1080. I don't know if this is due to my nVidia 6800GS card or the monitor itself. with this res, I get distorted image (see next message for exact nature of the distortion).

One time I was able to get monitor display image @ 1920x1080 60p but after I tweaked some settings on my card, I was back to distorted image again.

My DVICO FusionHDTV produced less than staller image on this display at 1920x1080, 60p. I don't know if this is a VGA card issue or the monitor issue.

It looked like monitor is not doing 1:1 pixel mapping at that res. Image looked like processed and scaled againg by the monitor (not 1:1)

I'll do more testing tonight and post update at a later time



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Now that I've spent considerable time with this set, here is my impression of this set.

PROS:
- 47" LCD, Bright and Crisp, good for HTPC applications

- Good build quality. Eyefi/Bydsign made their sincere effort to make it stand out
from the other low priced competitors

- Good anti-reflective coating

- Black anodized, precision machined aluminum base and frame gives solid feel.
although I preferred not having frame around the glass, I think Eyefi's reason
being same case is used in their 50" plasma model

- No cheapo branding

- 1920x1080 (1080p) @ 60Hz, when mated with HTPC (I don't have any other 1080p source.

- Decent speakers, gets the job done for normal TV viewing

- After spending lots of time with the set, I am getting decent SD quality from HTPC.
I think credit goes to FusionHDTV USB and my HTPC (Athlon X2 3800+ with
GeForce 6800GS), which does a good job of scaling 480i SD to 1920x1080 (4:3).
I got excellent DVD quality (Shriek II) with my HTPC. But result was exactly
opposite when I used my 4 year old sony DVD player (no progressive scan, just
480i). But for some reasons HD (1080i) content does not have that WOW factor

CONS:
- Remote leaves lot to be desired.

- Poor performance from built in scalar when scaling 480i DVD and other SD sources
to match display res. I don't know if this can be fixed by a firmware update.

- Too few teaking options in terms of PQ. Eyefi, if you are listening, please provide
us the option of turning off the internal scaling with HTPC so that RAW 1:1
mapping can be achieved. I am assuming set does some kind off image
processing for all tyes of inputs (HDMI/Comp/VGA).

- Currently I am having trouble with color banding even @ 1080i HDTV resolutions
I do not want jump into conclusion yet if this is fault of the scalar built into TV
or result of the poor/hi compression deployed by comcast to save the bandwidth.
I tried using OTA signals with an amplified indoor antenna. But signal quality
inside my apartment is too weak to get even a single OTA broadcast.

- Not happy with HD viewing yet. I do not want to blame this set yet. This could
be due to FusionHDTV tuner or scaling performed by fusion software or graphics
card before feeding to the monitor. It could be entirely sets fault if it is doing any
kind of processing (rather than RAW 1:1 mapping) and cannot keep up with the
amount of processing needs to be done at 1080p resolutions.
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post #2 of 451
Great post.
Appreciate the info.
Any thoughts on response times would be great.
Also black levels...
post #3 of 451
Thread Starter 
more pics ...
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post #4 of 451
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post #5 of 451
Hey congrats on the new set and thanks for the info. I know there will probably be a flood of questions for you. The main question that I wanted to ask was if you could check for banding?
So your computer is the only thing you have running to it?
Do you by chance have a 360 to hook up to it.
post #6 of 451
Thanks for the pics, Nithin.

I hope you're able to resolve the video card issue. What is the highest resolution you can output before it starts to distort? I'm wondering if the panel can accept 1080p over the VGA input. I guess you'll need to try both the HDMI and the VGA to see if it accepts 1080p on one or the other.

I read somewhere (perhaps on the other thread) that EyeFi is planning on having end caps made for the speaker attachment lugs. I don't know if it'll look better than just leaving the speakers on, cause you're right, that pic with them off looks pretty bad. It looks awesome with the speakers on.

Anyway, look forward to hearing more, and thanks again for making the effort to post the pics, etc.

I also was looking at the Japanese site today and in the specs it seemed to indicate that you could get 1080p over component. It may have been the translation, and Japan uses PAL, so it actually said 1125p, or close to that.
post #7 of 451
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Originally Posted by nithin View Post

http://www.eyefi.tv/product.htm
- Speakers are removable, but looks ugly with attachment railings (i don't know if they can be removed). See next message for the picture.

My DVICO FusionHDTV produced less than staller image on this display at 1920x1080, 60p. I don't know if this is a VGA card issue or the monitor issue.

nithin, ByD:sign/Eyefi will soon be shipping covers that will hide the exposed attachment points. They will be sent free to new LX4700 owners.

Which Fusion card do you have? The owner's manual alludes to fine-grain control of the picture via VGA. Have you used these adjustments yet?
post #8 of 451
Can you go into "Advanced Timing" and set "Display Adapter Scaling" and the 1080p timing option? I've noticed that the latest versions of Forceware only save the first made changes after initial install/"Apply"...so if the settings don't stick after a re-boot, a re-install may be needed.

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post #9 of 451
Nithin,

Just curious why you named this thread as LX4700/LX4710?

I don't see any reference to a LX4710 model on the EyeFi site.
post #10 of 451
Thanks nithin...

I was checking all day at work to see if you got it and posted. Just checked again and saw this thread. I am definately looking forward to more details when you get the issues worked out.

I for one think the sets looks pretty nice. And I also read about the endcaps, but if I get it I kind of like the look of the speaker on the side. I know I like it more than the ones where they are at the bottom.

One request.. Could you take a better shot of the TV front on? Your third one was a little dark, but you may have been doing that to get a better pic of the screen itself. I would like to see what bezel and the rest look like in light...
post #11 of 451
Thank you much for this info.
post #12 of 451
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Originally Posted by stucandu View Post

I also was looking at the Japanese site today and in the specs it seemed to indicate that you could get 1080p over component. It may have been the translation, and Japan uses PAL, so it actually said 1125p, or close to that.

Not all of Japan uses PAL. The Tokyo metropolitan area at least all use NTSC. I believe certain regions of the country, such as Kyoto, use PAL.
post #13 of 451
That must make broadcasting and transmission a real joy over there.
post #14 of 451
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by stucandu View Post

Nithin,

Just curious why you named this thread as LX4700/LX4710?

I don't see any reference to a LX4710 model on the EyeFi site.


At samsclub.com, if you search for eyefi, you get model as 4710LD
post #15 of 451
Thread Starter 
I've spent a lot of time tweaking the settings with with HTPC here is what I have for you guys.

- set does not support native 1080p@60Hz through HDMI with its current firmware. resoultion options are 1080i 60Hz, 1080i 50Hz, 1035i, 720p, 720i, 480p, 480i (missing is 1080p). But I was able to get the set to display @ 1080p @ 50Hz by tweaking the display card settings.

- black levels did not seem right.
I tuned the display with MCE2005 and nVidia screen optimization wizard.

- too few picture contols for HDMI (just warm and cool, no independent RGB control) and does not have WOW factor

- My monitor has at least 5 dead/stuck pixels and a small black gash (may be spawing at least 10 pix)

- DVD playback (480i) with my old sony DVD player looked less than ordinary

- SD quality with HTPC upscaled video looked not that great.
post #16 of 451
Damn, that's too bad.

No Sceptre, No Eyefi.. May be time for a plasma?
post #17 of 451
Or Westinghouse...
post #18 of 451
Have you called Eyefi about these issues, namely the no apparent 1080p/60hz support? The soft manual indicated RGB control, does your manual state this, and if so is it relegated to only to other inputs? Also, what other monitors have you compared it to? What are your plans - keep the monitor and try to fix the issues or look elsewhere, and if so where?
post #19 of 451
After changing cable sources, the hd pic now has 'wow' factor. very bright and sweet. sd channels better, but not crt quality.

I spoke with Carl, CEO out in vegas. He was very knowledgeable and helpful. He agreed that any dvd player will only look as good as my vcr on crt because this panel is so hi res and dvd is 480. Isn't xbox doing blue ray soon? that will KICK!

vga from pc is real nice too. online games are fun!

Though the dvd issue bums me out, I'll continue working with set b4 deciding to return or not.
post #20 of 451
N,


A couple questions pls,

-what is HTPC
-how and where did u tweak card settings?
-how did you tune the display with MCE2005 and nVidia screen optimization wizard.

Are these all via pc? I could find no other way to change set settings other than onscreen menus.

also, pls confirm that current dvds will never be razor sharp on this due to its hi res.

thx
post #21 of 451
tbarn, can you give us some pics of you unit? Have you hooked up a 1080p source yet - how does it perform? White balance - what is your opinion? Do you know if Carl is aware of the 1080p/60hz issue? Regarding the DVD performance, were you using 480p or 480i? Ether way 480p/i should give you way better performance than a VCR.
post #22 of 451
tbarn, the higher resolution shouldn't automatically make the DVD pic look less sharp unless it is because of poor scaling. But it certainly is true that at 47" you might notice a lot of the flaws in DVDs--bottom line is they don't have nearly enough data to fill a 1920x1080 set, so you see all the shortcuts, compression and low res. I would think that if you sat the right distance away from the 47" so as to make the picture appear the same size to your eyes as your older TV, then the picture quality should be almost exactly the same. However, 1080 isn't an exact multiple of DVD's 480 lines, so there might be a small amount of degradation as it decides how to upscale.

Some DVD players and all HTPCs (home theater PCs) do their best to improve on the information on the DVD and then it looks much better on a high def set then an SD set. I recently bought an Oppo player, which is basically some HTPC algorithms stripped down into a consumer electronics box. I'm hoping that works well for ease-of-use factor. If not, my real HTPC (hooked to my projector) uses FFDShow, which is a set of bits of software that improve the DVD picture in various ways (deinterlacing, scaling, noise reduction, unblocking, etc.) If the EyeFi works well as a monitor in 1:1 pixel mapping mode, then the HTPC should look good.

Krusty
post #23 of 451
HTPC=Home Theater Personal Computer...one box to play it all.

Has anyone who has this hooked up to a PC, downloaded and played the 1080p clips available from Microsoft?

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...tshowcase.aspx

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post #24 of 451
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Originally Posted by nithin View Post

I've spent a lot of time tweaking the settings with with HTPC here is what I have for you guys.

- set does not support native 1080p@60Hz through HDMI with its current firmware. resoultion options are 1080i 60Hz, 1080i 50Hz, 1035i, 720p, 720i, 480p, 480i (missing is 1080p). But I was able to get the set to display @ 1080p @ 50Hz by tweaking the display card settings.

What was the result when setting the graphics card to 1920x1080/60 ...did you get an "Out Of Range" or "No Signal"?

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post #25 of 451
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Originally Posted by Polypro View Post

HTPC=Home Theater Personal Computer...one box to play it all.

Has anyone who has this hooked up to a PC, downloaded and played the 1080p clips available from Microsoft?

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...tshowcase.aspx

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Just to clarify, the highest resolution of these clips is 1440x1080 (unless they've gotten others in the last few weeks), so not quite the best for 1:1 mapping. There is at least one clip on the Apple Quick Time HD site that is 1920x1080 ( the japanese cherry blossom clip I believe), so that one would truly do the display justice. (you need a powerful processor and good graphics card to run these clips)

I'm not sure if upconverting DVD players like the Oppo and NeuNeo or Kingwell, which will ouput 1080p, will show any improvement, but if any of you early adopters have one to preview, it would be interesting to know the results over a regular 480i/p player.

Tbarn,
Glad to hear things are getting better. It is true that DVD's can look worse the larger the screen gets, although some players are better than others. Certainly it should be better than a VCR by a mile though.
ALso, the Xbox will be getting a HD DVD add on player, not a BluRay. That's reserved for the PS3 when it comes out finally in November.
post #26 of 451
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Originally Posted by tbarn9 View Post

After changing cable sources, the hd pic now has 'wow' factor. very bright and sweet. sd channels better, but not crt quality.


What exactly do you mean by changing cable sources? Do you mean you swapped the cables you were using, or you changed settings on your STB, or totally changed your cable provider and STB?

SD always looks better on CRT, especially if it's a smaller 480 line set. HDTV's, especially LCD and Plasma are notorious for not displaying SD signals very well, although certainly some are better than others, and the quality of a display's SD picture is sometimes the benchmark that people use to judge the set.

Thanks
post #27 of 451
I guess what's unclear to me, from the computer standpoint: If the graphics card and driver are set to 1920x1080...and you see *anything* on-screen (desktop)...it's 1920x1080p. The GPU and driver are doing the work. If "Out Of Range" appears, then that indicates a problem. Can someone run MonInfo, from the Power Strip people, and post the EDID?

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post #28 of 451
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Originally Posted by stucandu View Post

Just to clarify, the highest resolution of these clips is 1440x1080 (unless they've gotten others in the last few weeks), so not quite the best for 1:1 mapping. There is at least one clip on the Apple Quick Time HD site that is 1920x1080 ( the japanese cherry blossom clip I believe), so that one would truly do the display justice. (you need a powerful processor and good graphics card to run these clips)

Here's the full rez 1080p clip:


http://www.apple.com/quicktime/guide...ia_taylor.html

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post #29 of 451
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Originally Posted by Polypro View Post

What was the result when setting the graphics card to 1920x1080/60 ...did you get an "Out Of Range" or "No Signal"?

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It was showing 1080i with alternate lines shown on the screen.
It was problem with nvidia driver, now that I have re-installed driver, I am able to do 10809p @ 60Hz.

My major complain currently is bandings when picture has color gradients.
I have run some high quality WMVHD clips I'll post some sample screenshots later showing the bandings shortly
post #30 of 451
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Originally Posted by tbarn9 View Post

N,


A couple questions pls,

-what is HTPC
-how and where did u tweak card settings?
-how did you tune the display with MCE2005 and nVidia screen optimization wizard.

Are these all via pc? I could find no other way to change set settings other than onscreen menus.

also, pls confirm that current dvds will never be razor sharp on this due to its hi res.

thx

With diplay driver settngs set to default,i have use nvidia display tuning wizard and tuned monitor settings (eyefi). According to display wizard, optimal settings needed brightness value of 86 (out of 100), contast was aroung 36. Now brightness value seems too high, but pq looks better with this settings

I have also tried adjusting bright/contrast on the display settings (by setting them higher on the driver settings) and then tweaking the monitor brightness, which now requires lower values in monitor (brightness 56, contrast 24) But I liked PQ settings with display driver default.
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