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post #121 of 3803
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Originally Posted by 405480 View Post

Most of those are NTSC. There should be about 10 or so ATSC channels on there as well though which all end in DT (ie WSBDT). So I go back in and delete all the channels from the text file and only add one channel back in to see if that will work, an ATSC channel. It still doesn't populate in the MyHD OSD EPG. For whatever reason everytime the OSD EPG comes up it starts the date as Dec 30 at 0000 hours. That's why I think it's not populating. The EPG program is doing it's job it seems, it's just that the MyHD OSD EPG is looking at some file or something and that file is stuck on Dec 30.

If you're not sure what you're doing, I don't recommend doing your edits in the ch_maps.txt file itself. You might be better off to delete that file and start over with your mapping.

Could you save your channel list in MyHD and send it to me please?

Are you sure you are running the latest MYHD drivers & App?

I did see what appears to be some DT channels, but they don't make sense. For example:

This entry appears twice as the same channel, which (hopefully) CW_EPG does not allow you to do....

WSBDT,80,80,1,1,2,1
WTBSDT,80,80,1,1,2,1

Also, a possible bug that was pointed out that you can try. In MyHD, are the channels named or are they blank? If blank, try filling in a couple and see what happens.

AND NOW FOR THE BIGGIE.... I can not tell from your photo, but are you in "Favorite" mode???? If so, that may explain it cause none of those channels in the file you sent are marked as favorites and thus would not show up in tht mode. You would need to be on Input 2 to see them.

If none of this works, send the .mcl fiile!
post #122 of 3803
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Originally Posted by hdtvincr View Post

If you're not sure what you're doing, I don't recommend doing your edits in the ch_maps.txt file itself. You might be better off to delete that file and start over with your mapping.

Could you save your channel list in MyHD and send it to me please?

Are you sure you are running the latest MYHD drivers & App?

I did see what appears to be some DT channels, but they don't make sense. For example:

This entry appears twice as the same channel, which (hopefully) CW_EPG does not allow you to do....

WSBDT,80,80,1,1,2,1
WTBSDT,80,80,1,1,2,1

Also, a possible bug that was pointed out that you can try. In MyHD, are the channels named or are they blank? If blank, try filling in a couple and see what happens.

AND NOW FOR THE BIGGIE.... I can not tell from your photo, but are you in "Favorite" mode???? If so, that may explain it cause none of those channels in the file you sent are marked as favorites and thus would not show up in tht mode. You would need to be on Input 2 to see them.

If none of this works, send the .mcl fiile!

Nah I'm pretty comfortable editing things like this, spent a lot of time in the Linux world so this is nothing new. Just new to the this. Running the newest version with the latest drivers.

On the DT channels. Yes the EPG allowed me to assign them that way. The reason I did that is because in MyHD it lumps pretty much all my ATSC channels on one channel with the rest being on the sub channels. It starts with channel D80 with ABC, then the other stations like CBS and Fox are on 80.1, 80.2 and so on. I thought I could stuff them on 80 since that is how MyHD has it it set up and in the EPG software I didn't see a way to list them as a sub channel. Since the EOG software can't handle NTSC stations yet I guess I could assign them to the regular channels fo my area. Like ABCDT as channel 3, FOXDT as channel 4 and so on correct?

I do not have my channels named in MyHD. I rarely use it since it's hooked up to my tiney 17 CRT but will be getting my 50'' Sony next week so I'll set them up in anticipation for that. I will try that tomorrow though and also send you my .mcl file.

I am not running in favorites mode either as I do not have any channels listed in favorites in MyHD.
post #123 of 3803
Since 1.66 I have seen many problems with the channel lists.

My NTSC channels appear to not be allowed in the channel list. This may be a result of turning full timeshifting on.

Clearing full timeshifting, favorate mode and virtual channel mode and then doing an auto scan produces only the first x-1 digitials and not the additional sub digital channels.

Turning virtual channel mode on still does make the digital sub channels appear.

I must reload an old channel list to get the digital subchannels.

This problem must be seen by lots of people and discussed on another list where we should perhaps move this discussion in the unlikely case it has not been discussed already.
post #124 of 3803
Timeshifting does not work with Analog channels, so when you turn on full time timeshift, the analogs won't appear in the list. This is expected behavior with full time timeshift and analog channels. This is in the documentation, and should probably be added to the META-FAQ if it isn't there already.

Sub channels are only seen in virtual channel mode, so it is acting as designed there too. If you want the sub-channels, turn virtual channels on and do a rescan.

I am not sure what you mean by this must be seen by lots of people... It has been seen by lots of people, when the Read the MANUAL.

You are correct in the fact that this is off topic & should be moved to a seperate thread.
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Originally Posted by SFischer1 View Post

Since 1.66 I have seen many problems with the channel lists.

My NTSC channels appear to not be allowed in the channel list. This may be a result of turning full timeshifting on.

Clearing full timeshifting, favorate mode and virtual channel mode and then doing an auto scan produces only the first x-1 digitials and not the additional sub digital channels.

Turning virtual channel mode on still does make the digital sub channels appear.

I must reload an old channel list to get the digital subchannels.

This problem must be seen by lots of people and discussed on another list where we should perhaps move this discussion in the unlikely case it has not been discussed already.
post #125 of 3803
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by 405480 View Post

....in MyHD it lumps pretty much all my ATSC channels on one channel with the rest being on the sub channels.

I'm not sure, but it sounds as though you may not have Virtual Channed mode enabled. CW_EPG was only tested, AFAIK, using VC mode so if you have it off that may explain at least part of your problem.
post #126 of 3803
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Originally Posted by jmonier View Post

Since PBS was mentioned I thought I'd mention another problem that is likely to occur: Many PBS stations have both a HD and a SD subchannel. Some programs, such as Nova, are broadcast at the same time on the HD and SD subchannels. Obviously we want the HD version but often the SD version comes first in the Zap2It listings and I believe that means we would record the SD version rather than the HD version that we want.

So (and I realize that it's non-trivial), we need some way to always pick the HD channel when the same program is on both sub-channels at the same time.

I brought this up in the MyHDAuto thread, and I seem to recall that hdtvincr indicated that he did give preference to HD channels?

Or am I dreaming? Must be, I can't find it now.

And if not...maybe that's a good idea, if you can detect it (maybe preference to the lowest subchannel number, as it seems the HD channel is usual subchannel 1).
post #127 of 3803
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Originally Posted by lonndoggie View Post

I brought this up in the MyHDAuto thread, and I seem to recall that hdtvincr indicated that he did give preference to HD channels?

Or am I dreaming? Must be, I can't find it now.

And if not...maybe that's a good idea, if you can detect it (maybe preference to the lowest subchannel number, as it seems the HD channel is usual subchannel 1).

Although both PBS channels in LA that have HD do have it on the lowest sub-channel, I think I've heard of cases where that's not the case. I'd hate to rely on it, although that would certainly be better than nothing.

I don't believe that there is any way to determine for sure from the Zap2It listings whether a sub-channel is HD or not. There is a flag for individual programs but many PBS programs are what they call "widescreen" that fill the HD screen but are apparently lower resolution and do not carry the HD flag in the listings. These are still much better than SD (where they're usually letterboxed) but there's probably no way to identify them as such from the listing.

I think that the only sure way is to have a manually set user flag as part of the channel lineup.
post #128 of 3803
Thread Starter 
The New to Me feature will partially address this problem. But a channel priority list is probably a good secondary method for helping to ensure that you snag the WS showing from the HD subchannel instead of a LB one on one of the SD subchannels. That could still be tripped up if the station stages a LB transmission sufficiently in advance of the WS showing.
post #129 of 3803
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

The New to Me feature will partially address this problem. But a channel priority list is probably a good secondary method for helping to ensure that you snag the WS showing from the HD subchannel instead of a LB one on one of the SD subchannels. That could still be tripped up if the station stages a LB transmission sufficiently in advance of the WS showing.

Will "New to Me" do the job when both occur in the same time slot and and the LB SD one comes first in the Zap2It listings?
post #130 of 3803
Where did that fancy looking guide that 405480 posted an image of come from? When I click guide on MyHD, it sure doesn't look anything like that....

Also, I heard some people mentioning about not recording repeats... is that currently capable or is that part of the New to Me feature to come?

Sorry if I missed the post...

Russ
post #131 of 3803
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jmonier View Post

Will "New to Me" do the job when both occur in the same time slot and and the LB SD one comes first in the Zap2It listings?

No, that's why I'm suggesting that a channel-priority list is needed.
post #132 of 3803
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Originally Posted by russwong View Post

Where did that fancy looking guide that 405480 posted an image of come from? When I click guide on MyHD, it sure doesn't look anything like that....

Also, I heard some people mentioning about not recording repeats... is that currently capable or is that part of the New to Me feature to come?

Sorry if I missed the post...

Russ, that's the OSD EPG (except that it's not supposed to be empty). What do you see when you click the GUIDE remote button while viewing the HD output?

Repeats are not scheduled for capture if you set the program for "new only" in the Watch list. This is already implemented. New to Me will ignore Zap2it's "new" designation and rely on the local database of already-captured programs.
post #133 of 3803
Ahh, was getting the New To Me and New Only in the watch list confused. Got that figured out.

As for the Guide... I'm not using the MyHD remote, but I took at look at the guide by clicking the little guide icon on the right MyHD App and it gave me this instead..

Sorry if I'm just way out there...

Russ
LL
post #134 of 3803
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

I'm not sure, but it sounds as though you may not have Virtual Channed mode enabled. CW_EPG was only tested, AFAIK, using VC mode so if you have it off that may explain at least part of your problem.

You are right, I do not have VC enabled so I will give that a shot.

HDTVINCR, I e-mailed you my MCL file.

I can also probably answer Russ' questiong about the fancy OSD EPG. To me anyways, and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong here, if I run MyHD in full screen mode, AKA the HD button on the remote, I get the fancy look. Now it used to be in the past if I had the OSD EPG up in HD mode and then shrunk the screen the EPG would stay on screen but it doesn't anymore for some reason. No big deal since I don't plan on watching TV on half the screen when I can use the whole screen. I am guessing that Russ is seeing essentialy a Windows type application that's plain Jane looking and doesn't seem to be integrated into the MyHD picture window (kinda hard to describe). I get that too if I run MyHD in anything but HD mode.

And I just saw your post Russ. Yes that is what you will see when you run the guide from the menu versus the remote. When you HD the MyHD window it goes full screen and you lose your little toolbar. That then forces you to use the remote and the fancy EPG would then appear.
post #135 of 3803
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by russwong View Post

Ahh, was getting the New To Me and New Only in the watch list confused. Got that figured out.

As for the Guide... I'm not using the MyHD remote, but I took at look at the guide by clicking the little guide icon on the right MyHD App and it gave me this instead..

Sorry if I'm just way out there...

Russ

You can't see the OSD when you're not looking at the "screen", Russ! Try typing ctrl-G.
post #136 of 3803
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by 405480 View Post

When you HD the MyHD window it goes full screen and you lose your little toolbar. That then forces you to use the remote....

Not if you RTFM (or RTFF). There is a complete list of the keyboard equivalents to all the remote's buttons (and a few more).
post #137 of 3803
Enabled VC and still no luck. But it now appears that my "fancy" OSD has turned from a tolerable green/yellow style to a new purple/yellow/pink so at least I got that going for me
post #138 of 3803
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by 405480 View Post

Enabled VC and still no luck. But it now appears that my "fancy" OSD has turned from a tolerable green/yellow style to a new purple/yellow/pink so at least I got that going for me

Known problem--RTFF. Reboot to "fix".

Based on Tim's comments regarding your channel list, I expect that you need to (1) do a full Auto rescan of the MyHD channels and (2) delete channels.txt {meant to say, "ch_maps.txt"} and remap CW_EPG, using its Options menu, to the new MyHD channel list.

BTW, I have one analog channel whose sister DTV station provides PSIP info for it and that ones Zap2It info does show up in the EPG OSD table when it's properly mapped in CW_EPG.
post #139 of 3803
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

Known problem--RTFF. Reboot to "fix".

Based on Tim's comments regarding your channel list, I expect that you need to (1) do a full Auto rescan of the MyHD channels and (2) delete channels.txt and remap CW_EPG, using its Options menu, to the new MyHD channel list.

BTW, I have one analog channel whose sister DTV station provides PSIP info for it and that ones Zap2It info does show up in the EPG OSD table when its properly mapped in CW_EPG.

Did the above steps, enabled VC and still no luck. Let me ask you this; when I'm in MyHD and hit the guide button what file is MyHD looking at in order to populate the EPG? Whatever file it is seems to be telling MyHD to start the EPG on Dec30. Can you navigate inside the EPG? I mean if it populated for me with two days of program info could I scroll through to say 4pm tomorrow and see what's coming on ESPN inside the EPG? If so how? Maybe I can scroll my way to the proper day. The guide on the digital connection site is not poulating all the info for me to read through.
post #140 of 3803
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Originally Posted by 405480 View Post

Did the above steps, enabled VC and still no luck. Let me ask you this; when I'm in MyHD and hit the guide button what file is MyHD looking at in order to populate the EPG? Whatever file it is seems to be telling MyHD to start the EPG on Dec30. Can you navigate inside the EPG? I mean if it populated for me with two days of program info could I scroll through to say 4pm tomorrow and see what's coming on ESPN inside the EPG? If so how? Maybe I can scroll my way to the proper day. The guide on the digital connection site is not poulating all the info for me to read through.

You need to enable VC before the scan.

There are 10 days' data in the epg file after you execute CW_EPG, including mapping your MyHD channels, downloading the data, and posting it.
post #141 of 3803
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Originally Posted by 405480
Enabled VC and still no luck.
Trent,

Of the 137 channels in MyHD, about 66 were NOT analog......

Of the 66 NOT analog, 1 was correctly mapped in the ch_maps.txt file and it another channel assigned to it also.

It appears your local HD channels are located between channels 80-1 thru 80-8 on your cable system. Those are the ones that need to be mapped. Forget all that analog crap for now, and forget all the crap like TV Guide channel forever! Your wasting processing time for the app and bandwidth from Zap2it.

I'm not sure what you've been doing, but you'll be better off to start over. Your ch_maps.txt file should look something like what I've attached (I had to guess on a couple entries).

 

ch_maps.txt 0.234375k . file
post #142 of 3803
I'm just about ready to give up on this, still doesn't work. I really don't know how to explain this to you guys. When I'm in MyHD, looking at the channel guide, after I enabled VC and did a rescan, the DT channels that you had listed in that txt file do not match. My channels, after the scan, go D80-1 then on to D81-1, 82-1 and so on, it doesn't list sub channels on D80 for me. In the MyHD channel list sub channels do not show up for me until channel 97. Then I see D97-1, D97-2, D97-3 and so on. Before I had VC enabled all those channels on D80 were correct. I had D80-1, D80-2 etc.
post #143 of 3803
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Originally Posted by 405480 View Post

Whatever file it is seems to be telling MyHD to start the EPG on Dec30.

SET YOUR PC'S CLOCK TO THE CORRECT DATE, TIME, AND TIMEZONE.
post #144 of 3803
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Originally Posted by 405480 View Post

I'm just about ready to give up on this, still doesn't work. I really don't know how to explain this to you guys. When I'm in MyHD, looking at the channel guide, after I enabled VC and did a rescan, the DT channels that you had listed in that txt file do not match. My channels, after the scan, go D80-1 then on to D81-1, 82-1 and so on, it doesn't list sub channels on D80 for me. In the MyHD channel list sub channels do not show up for me until channel 97. Then I see D97-1, D97-2, D97-3 and so on. Before I had VC enabled all those channels on D80 were correct. I had D80-1, D80-2 etc.

Thinking out loud here, but I believe that with VC enabled it is quite possible that you will not see the 80-1, 80-2, etc IF your cableco is supplying PSIP for those channels and re-mapping them to their proper "virtual" channels.

All that aside... You need to start from scratch. In MyHD, delete ALL your channel list. Then re-scan with VC enabled. When finished, thumb thru all your channels and make note of those that are'nt analog, especially your locals. (in fact, if it were me, I would scan "Digital" only in MyHD so they don't show up)

Go to Zap2it and redo your channel lineups keeping ONLY what you will use.

Delete the ch_maps.txt file in the CW_EPG. Run CW-EPG and map the channels you noted from above to the respective channel listed in the "EPG DT Channels".


I'm really good at leaving something out, so jump in if you see something Terry.

The PC's time is not the issue or his cw_epg.mdb would be wrong (which I checked).
post #145 of 3803
ok im fixing to jump in on this new epg...here goes
post #146 of 3803
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by hdtvincr View Post

The PC's time is not the issue or his cw_epg.mdb would be wrong (which I checked).

Hmm...When I thought about the wrong date/time in the OSD EPG, I experimented with changing my PC's clock and, sure enough, the EPG comes up showing the date that Windows is set for...but, thinking further, the table says "no information" rather than being blank, so I guess you're right that such is not Trent's problem.
post #147 of 3803
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Originally Posted by hdtvincr View Post

Thinking out loud here, but I believe that with VC enabled it is quite possible that you will not see the 80-1, 80-2, etc IF your cableco is supplying PSIP for those channels and re-mapping them to their proper "virtual" channels.

All that aside... You need to start from scratch. In MyHD, delete ALL your channel list. Then re-scan with VC enabled. When finished, thumb thru all your channels and make note of those that are'nt analog, especially your locals. (in fact, if it were me, I would scan "Digital" only in MyHD so they don't show up)

Go to Zap2it and redo your channel lineups keeping ONLY what you will use.

Delete the ch_maps.txt file in the CW_EPG. Run CW-EPG and map the channels you noted from above to the respective channel listed in the "EPG DT Channels".


I'm really good at leaving something out, so jump in if you see something Terry.

The PC's time is not the issue or his cw_epg.mdb would be wrong (which I checked).

I'll give it another run tomorrow. I'm just going to attempt to get one channel to show up in there. If I can atleast get that then I'll go from there.
post #148 of 3803
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Originally Posted by 405480 View Post

I'll give it another run tomorrow. I'm just going to attempt to get one channel to show up in there. If I can atleast get that then I'll go from there.

I don't know about the wrong date that you're seeing, but I did confirm that unmapped/mismapped channels will display as completely blank in the OSD table. So it seems very likely that you've messed up the mapping in CW_EPG that matches the Zap2It feeds to the MyHD channel structure and starting from scratch, as Tim recommended, is definitely indicated.
post #149 of 3803
Finally, success!

Cleared everything, edited zap2it to show only one channel, ABC-DT, set MyHD channels to have that one channel in the mappings and pretty much the same for CW_EPG. Now it works so I'll slowly add in other channels.

Thanks for sticking with me on this one, I appreciate it.
post #150 of 3803
Feature:
Would it be possible to separate the auto run AND schedule matches in the -auto command line option?

Reason:
I use both Record_This and CW_EPG. Record_This handles scheduling for both my MyHD and Fusion card. I use the CW_EPG for the enhanced guide data. It is also very handy for quickly scheduling a one-off or to quickly check or delete MyHD schedules. What I don't currently use it for is scheduling.

I have it set up to run in a bat using the following switches: -auto -myhdepg -download -wipelog

The problem is that in order to run in auto mode it also wants to schedule, which means I need to REMOVE all of the Watches so that no scheduling is done. While that works, it would be nice to be able to keep my Watches listed.

Cris
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