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post #301 of 3803
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Originally Posted by hdtvincr View Post

I've had the same occur to me also when I forgot to OK it's run with the firewall PRIOR to putting the connection check in, and yes the CPU usage was high although I don't understand why as it is hanging in an MSXML call for the data.

Hasn't been a problem since I put the check in first. If your operation is getting to the hanging point, then it has to be losing the connection in the middle of the download. Once again, the internet check makes a normal HTTP call for a regular old web page to check the connection before it calls the data that potentially hangs if no connection. So if your hanging, the HTTP call worked fine or you never would have got to that point. Obviously I would like to catch this situation and I will eventually, but the proper format call to retrieve the data requires the uses of MSXML routines in which errors are not easily caught.

I know that there are many that will use wireless, but I sure would like to know why it chokes on the data download.

This happened to me just last night. I am using the most recent version, and I have a non-wireless connection. When I came down this morning, my pc was running at full tilt with the fan wailing away too. cw_epg had the message 'downloading guide data'. I manually killed it and it ran fine again. My isp has been resetting my connection lately, so I am wondering if that didn't happen during the download last night.

I am wondering if setting the 'Stop this task if it runs for: x hours y minutes' on the task pane would help? This is a pretty big deal in my humble opinion.
post #302 of 3803
More recording failures.

Last night West Wing, L&O & Crossing Jordan were scheduled to record. WW recorded, not the others. When I went to the HTPC to check on progress, about halfway through CJ, No errors appeared. MyHD was in the task bar, but not recording. Tried to activate or close it, but no response. Went to Task Manager, MyHD did not appear in Applications list, but myhd.exe was in the Processes list. Tried to End Process, but it wouldn't respond to several attempts. Had to restart the puter to close MyHD.

Tonight, had only Medium set to record. It failed again, same results as above. Do I have a corrupted EPG again? If so, why is this happening? I'll replace the EPG again and see what happens, but this is getting rather frustrating.
post #303 of 3803
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

Since I regard this bug as "cosmetic" (i.e., not affecting proper PVR function) I haven't tried to get MIT's attention on it yet. If you can sufficiently clarify "sometimes" to point the MIT programmer to the right place, I'll see about putting it in the hopper.

So here is what I found with the OSD Reservation List:
If there is only 1 show to be recorded, it works fine. It appears on the list, show is recorded, it's removed from the list. If there are multiple shows to be recorded, then it takes the last entry off the list after a show is recorded. For example, 2 shows to be recorded on the list in order 1 then 2, show 1 is recorded, but show 2 is removed from the list. If there are 3 shows on the list to be recorded in order 1, 2, 3, after show 1 is recorded, show 3 was removed from the list. Also, once a wrong show has been removed from the list, you can no longer use the OSD Delete Reservation option. If you happen to put the shows on the list in reverse order of recording, then the list will appear to be correct (hence the sometimes). Can you pass this feedback along to MIT?
post #304 of 3803
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Originally Posted by Mary H View Post

More recording failures.

Last night West Wing, L&O & Crossing Jordan were scheduled to record. WW recorded, not the others. When I went to the HTPC to check on progress, about halfway through CJ, No errors appeared. MyHD was in the task bar, but not recording. Tried to activate or close it, but no response. Went to Task Manager, MyHD did not appear in Applications list, but myhd.exe was in the Processes list. Tried to End Process, but it wouldn't respond to several attempts. Had to restart the puter to close MyHD.

Tonight, had only Medium set to record. It failed again, same results as above. Do I have a corrupted EPG again? If so, why is this happening? I'll replace the EPG again and see what happens, but this is getting rather frustrating.

I would think that if it were the corrupted epg problem, you would have seen an error message.

Are you running XP and are you using multiple users?
post #305 of 3803
One little thing that I've noticed that SEEMS to be due to CW_EPG: After CW_EPG has done it's thing the first press of the Power button on the remote does nothing. I have to press a second time for MyHD to start up. After that everything is normal until CW_EPG is run again. (I'm using the serial remote on a MDP-100 for what that's worth.) Has anyone else noticed this or is it due to my particular setup?
post #306 of 3803
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by pdeangel View Post

So here is what I found with the OSD Reservation List:
If there is only 1 show to be recorded, it works fine. It appears on the list, show is recorded, it's removed from the list. If there are multiple shows to be recorded, then it takes the last entry off the list after a show is recorded. For example, 2 shows to be recorded on the list in order 1 then 2, show 1 is recorded, but show 2 is removed from the list. If there are 3 shows on the list to be recorded in order 1, 2, 3, after show 1 is recorded, show 3 was removed from the list. Also, once a wrong show has been removed from the list, you can no longer use the OSD Delete Reservation option. If you happen to put the shows on the list in reverse order of recording, then the list will appear to be correct (hence the sometimes). Can you pass this feedback along to MIT?

Thanks! I've passed the information on to MIT for a fix.
post #307 of 3803
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Originally Posted by hdtvincr View Post

I would think that if it were the corrupted epg problem, you would have seen an error message. Are you running XP and are you using multiple users?

Yes, XP with SP2 and all updates. I am the only user. There is the Administrator account, and my account, which is a member of the Admins group. All installations were done with my account, which is the only one ever used since the original installation.

A thought -- What are the best settings in the MyHD configuration for Reservation Capture Options? I have these checked: Transport Stream Capture in Background, Do not exit MyHD (between captures), and Exit MyHD (after final capture). Under Capture Detail Options, I have Capture Sub-channel Only checked.

All 3 of the scheduled recordings for Sunday evening were on the same channel, NBC. As I mentioned, only the first one recorded.
post #308 of 3803
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Mary H View Post

Yes, XP with SP2 and all updates. I am the only user. There is the Administrator account, and my account, which is a member of the Admins group. All installations were done with my account, which is the only one ever used since the original installation.

A thought -- What are the best settings in the MyHD configuration for Reservation Capture Options? I have these checked: Transport Stream Capture in Background, Do not exit MyHD (between captures), and Exit MyHD (after final capture). Under Capture Detail Options, I have Capture Sub-channel Only checked.

All 3 of the scheduled recordings for Sunday evening were on the same channel, NBC. As I mentioned, only the first one recorded.

My recommended settings are the same as yours, except for "Exit MyHD" between captures--you don't want MyHD to continue to run and inhibit Power Options' sleeps just because there are future captures scheduled!
post #309 of 3803
I always have set "Exit MyHD" between captures, except recently I thought I'd try the stay open between captures option. Wrong move, soon after I had a failed second capture. I changed that setting back pronto.
post #310 of 3803
Thread Starter 
^bump for new test version release in Post #1.

Forgot to mention: The way that CW_EPG fetches Zap2It data has changed such that it only pulls down 3 days' worth with each normal day's run. This speeds up the daily download and reduces the Zap2It database traffic, but it also increases the length of the very first run with the new setup. So don't be alarmed when it seems to take a longer-than-normal time for that first download.

Also note that the new features of the replacement MyHD.exe work just as well for those who don't run CW_EPG. So if don't care to try the beta but you'd like to take advantage of improved EPG OSD navigation or the option of having a prompt on screen when selecting the File or DVD modes, just download the CW_EPG beta package and extract the MyHD.exe from MyHD.zip into your MyHD Program Files folder and forget about the other contents.
post #311 of 3803
Thanks for all you work guys. Padding is in place! YES. The lack of padding stoped me from using your great scheduling program. Now I plan on using it for all my MYHD captures.

Thanks again
post #312 of 3803
Big Yes! I really like the file navigation screen now instead of the blank screen. I wonder if the file selection was always there if I pressed the fav button? Great work so far.
post #313 of 3803
Thread Starter 
The only change to File and DVD mode is that the information OSD is displayed instead of a blank screen. The program's functionality is the same.
post #314 of 3803
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

^bump for new test version release in Post #1.

Forgot to mention: The way that CW_EPG fetches Zap2It data has changed such that it only pulls down 3 days' worth with each normal day's run. This speeds up the daily download and reduces the Zap2It database traffic, but it also increases the length of the very first run with the new setup. So don't be alarmed when it seems to take a longer-than-normal time for that first download.

Hi,

The reduction of Zap2It traffic is one that I was going to suggest be done.

This weekend I have lost the StreetLight ISP. Hopefully it will be back Monday.

I am unable to use my DialUp Modem on my HTPC where CW_EPG is doing its tremendous job. I get a 633 error if I remember correctly and even after finding the MS Knowledge base article I still cannot get past the 633 error.

So I have currently NO Internet connection on my HTPC.

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On my laptop I merged the MyHD and CW_EPG registry entries from my HTPC.

After building the Program Files "MyHD" and "CW_EPG" folders and copying the new programs into them I was able to run "CW_EPG" and download listings.

PLEASE DO NOT BREAK THE ABILITY TO RUN "CW_EPG" ON A SYSTEM WITHOUT THE "MyHD" CARD.

I then copied the database files to my HTPC and CW_EPG was happy and scheduled the upcoming matches.

Because the post EPG to the MyHD database button has been removed I am unable to do that operation and the MyHD OSD EPG contains only the listings from the stations.

The MyHD registry entries do not look right and there is no "cw_epg.mdb" file.

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I concur that the plan to do all the Zap2It stuff hidden from the user is a good one.

I do suggest that the xmlTV raw file and reprocess option be incorporated into CW_EPG.

It should work just like xmlTV does as that is how I currently get listings for FreeGuide.

I want to avoid the double Zap2It download and when the three day downloads of listings is done by CW_EPG I want to put that updated data into FreeGuide.

Without syncing FreeGuide and CW_EPG listings I currently am having some trouble when CW_EPG has more recent data than FG.

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I need to post a message to this thread about the Discussions I am having on the FreeGuide list.

I also need to post the thoughts that I have about the New to Me database now that the next more complete version of CW_EPG has been released.

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When switching back to the listings tab a rescan for matches is done even if I changed nothing.

This is slowing down my trying to decide what to do as I need to look at data on several tabs and switch between them several times.

Perhaps a check box disabling this scan until I wish it done.

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Thanks for more tremendous improvements in a really great program.

Stephen H. Fischer
post #315 of 3803
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SFischer1 View Post

On my laptop I merged the MyHD and CW_EPG registry entries from my HTPC.

Did you do this after upgrading the HTPC to the new beta? If not, that may explain why the "post EPG" didn't seem to occur.
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Originally Posted by SFischer1 View Post

PLEASE DO NOT BREAK THE ABILITY TO RUN "CW_EPG" ON A SYSTEM WITHOUT THE "MyHD" CARD.

Hmm...strikes me that it may be more rational to teach CW_EPG how to work on networked machines where the MyHD card may not be in the same PC as its running on.
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Originally Posted by SFischer1 View Post


I then copied the database files to my HTPC and CW_EPG was happy and scheduled the upcoming matches.

Because the post EPG to the MyHD database button has been removed I am unable to do that operation and the MyHD OSD EPG contains only the listings from the stations.

That doesn't sound right. The "post" operation (to CW_EPG's own DB file) would have been performed on the machine where you ran the Z2I download. If you copied over the correct DB files and used the updated MyHD.exe with its Registry properly updated to point to CW_EPG's DB, the current downloaded EPG would be displayed.
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Originally Posted by SFischer1 View Post

The MyHD registry entries do not look right and there is no "cw_epg.mdb" file.

Because you didn't copy it over from the laptop!
post #316 of 3803
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Originally Posted by SFischer1 View Post

I have lost the StreetLight ISP. Hopefully it will be back Monday.

You could break down and buy a real connection.
post #317 of 3803
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Originally Posted by SFischer1 View Post

The MyHD registry entries do not look right and there is no "cw_epg.mdb" file.

Guess that explains that!

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I do suggest that the xmlTV raw file and reprocess option be incorporated into CW_EPG.

There is no xmltv raw file. xmltv is not used. The xtvd formated data file is now processed into an Access database. Many people prefer this so that they can utilize the data in other ways.

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It should work just like xmlTV does as that is how I currently get listings for FreeGuide.

Oh it should eh??? Darn I forgot to run it by them.

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I want to avoid the double Zap2It download and when the three day downloads of listings is done by CW_EPG I want to put that updated data into FreeGuide.

Without syncing FreeGuide and CW_EPG listings I currently am having some trouble when CW_EPG has more recent data than FG.

Then I would tell the Freeguide folks to change to our method of storing data. Why in the world would you think we should try to conform to some other application?

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I need to post a message to this thread about the Discussions I am having on the FreeGuide list.

I also need to post the thoughts that I have about the New to Me database now that the next more complete version of CW_EPG has been released.

Bugs and suggestions about CW_EPG are VERY welcomed here. But frankly, I'm a bit offended when being told that things should have been done like this program or that program.

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When switching back to the listings tab a rescan for matches is done even if I changed nothing.

Now that's a suggestion I can work with.
post #318 of 3803
I wanted to thank you guys profusely for delivering such an awesome tool! This alone has increased the WAF and confidence that things are being recorded properly.
post #319 of 3803
To The AVS Forum Experts:
I consider this to be off-topic but my understanding of how the AVS forums work is little.
Could a new topic be created, Say "MyHD Off-Topic" be created and this and many of my previous off topic posts be moved there and just a link left to them?
I also am interested in a discussion of the MyHD forum and how it is used. There are many things that almost force posts to be off topic.
There cannot be a stopping of off topic posts completely anywhere on any list but I think these make finding information just too hard.
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Posted by: netman
On: Yesterday 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SFischer1 View Post

I have lost the StreetLight ISP. Hopefully it will be back Monday.

It was not. Gurr!
> You could break down and buy a real connection.

Boy have I done a lot of thinking about that for many months.
I now have spent ~ $200 for hardware to connect to the "MetroFI" system. I really expected to be a "PAID" customer by now.
The delay is due mainly to MetroFI being "Googled". They are located in Mt. View CA.
Google won the contract for their home town with a "Free" plan. MetroFI had started building toward Mt. View from adjoining cities with a "Paid" plan. They expected to win the Mt. View Contract and I suspect that Mt. View was the center of their planned network.
MetroFI had to respond by changing their plan to a "Free" one.
The network that they were building was designed for the bandwidth for a paid system.
They are now rebuilding their entire network with two types of Access Points, a task that is larger than the initial build of the network due to the much larger bandwidth needed for a free system.
An AP near me that I cannot use has two SSID's emanating from it, "MetroFI-Free_Test" and
"MetroFI-Secure_Test".
So they are working near me I hope. Until I discovered the "MetroFI-Secure_Test" signal I was about to give up. I do not think a "free" system and a "paid" one can be successful on a single AP.
I think that because "EarthLink" has a 50% interest in them, MetroFI may succeed but no widespread WiFi network has been successful so far from what I have read.
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If I go with a phone line connection, after the "Special" rate expires the Internet rate will rise to the $40 rate that is hidden in all the fine print from any ISP of any type.
My Phone bill which is currently ~ $10 will rise to at least triple due to cancellation of my current plan eligibility.
And I would have to deal with the newly reconstituted Phone Company, AT&T. What was it that Lilly Tomlin called it?
That breakup sure didn't last very long.
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As For Cable, the same $40 charges apply and the 5 - 10 pieces of mail I get from Comcast will increase and I will be penalized strongly because I have no interest in Cable TV.
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So, if MetroFI gets its network rebuilt and is usable by me, I hope to keep my ISP charges near ~ $13 and not have a great deal of grief from AT&T or Comcast.
If they do not, I will go elsewhere.
And there is the second WiFi network that is comming to Silicon Valley according to the TV local news. Free is on the way, I just am going through the expected problems of an early adapter.
If I could get my HTPC to use my DialUp modem it would not be so bad.
Stephen H. Fischer
post #320 of 3803
Thread Starter 
Stephen, you can start as many AVS threads as you like and edit/move any or all of your own posts into those as you like, leaving a link to the new location or not, as you like.
post #321 of 3803
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

Stephen, you can start as many AVS threads as you like and edit/move any or all of your own posts into those as you like, leaving a link to the new location or not, as you like.

OK, I CAN.

The real question is if I should.

The MyHD posts have been confined to very few large and long lasting threads.

Thus making finding information very hard to find. (and to catch up)

It appears to not be the practice on the AVS forums to organize it along the lines of interest but large generic divisions.

It may be met by huge resistance but has anyone considered making a "MyHD" sub forum of the "Home Theater Computers.

I may be wrong, but currently a search is necessary to find the "MyHD" threads.

A sub division and encouragement to create meaningful thread titles would be a huge improvement IMHO.

Stephen H. Fischer
post #322 of 3803
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

Did you do this after upgrading the HTPC to the new beta? If not, that may explain why the "post EPG" didn't seem to occur.Hmm...strikes me that it may be more rational to teach CW_EPG how to work on networked machines where the MyHD card may not be in the same PC as its running on.That doesn't sound right. The "post" operation (to CW_EPG's own DB file) would have been performed on the machine where you ran the Z2I download. If you copied over the correct DB files and used the updated MyHD.exe with its Registry properly updated to point to CW_EPG's DB, the current downloaded EPG would be displayed.Because you didn't copy it over from the laptop!

Hi,

OK, My Stupid.

All what I wanted to do on the laptop was to run CW_EPG to download the listings.

I had noted that the "Post EPG" button was removed but my brain was not working good enough to realize what that meant. The channel mapping file was the crucial missing file I suspect . I redid the laptop run with all the files in the CW_EPG folder and all worked right.

MyHD dropping back to the individual transmitted Station listing is a good behavior when the CW_EPG generated file is not there. Sometime in the (far) future the Stations will have the very lastest listings. When that happens CW_EPG might need an method to tell MyHD to collect all Station transmitted listings so it can update with the very latest, even better than the next 2 days on Zap3It.

Where is the documentation for the new MyHD? I tried several buttons on the remote and I could not find the right ones.

Also where is the CW_EPG documentation about "Colors"? I looked hard for that a few days ago and somehow I missed it.

> teach CW_EPG how to work on networked machines where the MyHD card may not be in the same PC as its running on.

Can you say more, I do not understand this.

I am running CW_EPG using XP's "Remote Desktop" feature at least 85% of the time controlling my HTPC using my Laptop. It works great.

The percentage would be higher except for the MyHD problems with "Fast User switching". I must turn on my HTPC's Monitor and log on there before Hibernation otherwise there is a good chance that the next wake up for capture will hang or after the capture is completed the HTPC will hang.. I always do this so that the capture and hibernation operations will be successful so the details are fuzzy.

The other problem with "remote desktop" and MyHD is if you turn on OVERLAY you immediately get a "Please Tell Microsoft About This Problem" display for "MyHD".

I have started sending these reports to Microsoft OCA but I have gotten nothing back on any for the "MyHD" so far.

I hope that the reports are reaching MIT but I fear that because the MyHD drivers have not passed testing and the drivers are not signed that Microsoft is just putting the reports into the bit bucket.

Stephen H. Fischer
post #323 of 3803
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Originally Posted by SFischer1 View Post

Also where is the CW_EPG documentation about "Colors"? I looked hard for that a few days ago and somehow I missed it.

You must not have looked at the correct readme file. I just looked it over and the info you ask about is there with the exception of the History page which has blue shading to indicate that a scheduled show was in HD. I'm not going to redescribe the others as they are there IF you look.

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> teach CW_EPG how to work on networked machines where the MyHD card may not be in the same PC as its running on.

Can you say more, I do not understand this.

I think the idea here is that only one machine need to do the data downloading & processing. Then any others can be told to look there for the data.
post #324 of 3803
I may have found a bug - using the latest version I have changed the way I save a recording. I used to save into D:/HDTV and MYHD would create a folder with the name of the show and put the file with the show name as the title.

I changed this setting in MYHD and in CW_EPG because I just want the file to go into D:/HDTV and not create a sub folder, this makes using the playlist manager easier as I delete all entries upon startup and scan D:/HDTV (I move files from another computer into this directory).

I have the setting in CW_EPG set to "none" in the folder choice and "ch# date and title" in the file name choice. The sub folders are still being created and files are being named as always, basicly no change took effect. Not sure if this is CW_EPG or the new MYHD exe. that is causing the problem.

I updated by just replacing CW_EPG exe. in the folder, and replacing MYHD exe. as well.

Any ideas?
post #325 of 3803
Todd -- I'll look into that. Are you sure you hit the "Save" button and not "Cancel" on the Options page?
post #326 of 3803
Yes, I just double checked and the settings still reflect the changes. I have deleted all subfolders in the HDTV directory. I'll see what happens tonight.
post #327 of 3803
Sounds good. You should be able to tell if it is a CW_EPG problem or MyHD. After scheduling with CW_EPG, you can go to the captures window in MyHD, look at what was scheduled, and hopefully it will have the appropriate settings selected for folder & filename.
post #328 of 3803
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Originally Posted by hdtvincr View Post


I think the idea here is that only one machine need to do the data downloading & processing. Then any others can be told to look there for the data.

Hi,

That sound like a good "polish" detail. I wonder how might that be done with two or more computers going into and out of hibernation on different schedules. I wonder about the problems with hibernation on a single computer with one MyHD and one fusion (I am about to buy.)

I sure would like to find the time to determine what "IRda" and "MyHD" are doing on the network. I think that it is about sending Video over a network but it is an incomplete feature.

I am not ignoring your other comments, I am waiting to see if anyone else makes any and to find the time to type mine in.

So, I am Stupid, blind and cannot speak clearly that my computer can understand me.
post #329 of 3803
Thread Starter 
Stephen, the key to using multiple PVR cards in your HTPC is to set Power Options to send it to sleep after x minutes of inactivity and set all of the PVR apps to "exit" upon completion of recordings. That works perfectly for Fusion and MyHD to coexist on one machine without having to run it 24/7.
post #330 of 3803
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Originally Posted by SFischer1 View Post

That sound like a good "polish" detail. I wonder how might that be done with two or more computers going into and out of hibernation on different schedules. I wonder about the problems with hibernation on a single computer with one MyHD and one fusion (I am about to buy.)

That's why it hasn't already been implemented and may not be....
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