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post #3511 of 3803
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Homer, what do you have Power Options set up to do? If you set it to send your PC to sleep after X minutes, then it will go back to sleep after the automatic run.

This is the way that you should have it set up anyway, to accommodate multiple apps that wake up the PC for various tasks, but I suspect that you've been using only MyHD and have that app set to hibernate after each recording rather than simply exiting as you should be doing.
post #3512 of 3803
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Originally Posted by a8vdeluxe View Post

I just did an automatic unattended run option and it correctly scheduled the correct one (great) however it left the computer on and did not go back into hibernate?

Is this in WinXP? I had a few sleep issues that were resolved for the most part (works about 90% of the time now) by doing the following (in XP)...

- Setting up Power Options so that the PC goes into standby mode (not hibernate) after 15 minutes. Additionally, I found that it helps to disable all other forms of power save features under Power Options, i.e. Harddrive standby = Never, Monitor off = Never, etc.

- Disable any screensavers or wallpaper changers.

- Disabling anything that puts up a "nag screen", i.e. when Flash Player detects a new update and puts up a window asking "Do you want to install update?" Nag screens have consistently kept my PC awake beyond the 15 minute window set under Power Options.

Hope this helps
post #3513 of 3803
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

Homer, what do you have Power Options set up to do? If you set it to send your PC to sleep after X minutes, then it will go back to sleep after the automatic run.

This is the way that you should have it set up anyway, to accommodate multiple apps that wake up the PC for various tasks, but I suspect that you've been using only MyHD and have that app set to hibernate after each recording rather than simply exiting as you should be doing.

Not using MyHd for recordings, I have been using CW for recordings and thought CW automatically went back to sleep after each recording (though I have not been here so don't know for sure - maybe sleep power management settings kicked in). Didn't MyHD go back to sleep immediately after a recording or between recordings, and you are saying CW does not?
post #3514 of 3803
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Originally Posted by Vlad Theimpaler View Post

Is this in WinXP? I had a few sleep issues that were resolved for the most part (works about 90% of the time now) by doing the following (in XP)...

- Setting up Power Options so that the PC goes into standby mode (not hibernate) after 15 minutes. Additionally, I found that it helps to disable all other forms of power save features under Power Options, i.e. Harddrive standby = Never, Monitor off = Never, etc.

- Disable any screensavers or wallpaper changers.

- Disabling anything that puts up a "nag screen", i.e. when Flash Player detects a new update and puts up a window asking "Do you want to install update?" Nag screens have consistently kept my PC awake beyond the 15 minute window set under Power Options.


Hope this helps

Yes using XP here, thanks for input. Standby did not work for me but maybe will try again, and tinker with rest of hardware power settings. HIbernate has been good for single recordings but hit or miss if more that one. Also, if I manually awake after a recording system always crashes when I open CW EPG?

Update: Just tried a stand by recording and was bad - it woke 90 seconds before but looked like system crashed again on the hour when CW started.
post #3515 of 3803
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The PC will not sleep if MyHD is running (except, oddly, when it's paused during file playback). If you set up Windows Power Options to send the machine to sleep after X minutes of inactivity and set MyHD to "exit the app" after and between recordings then things should work as desired: The PC will wake up for recordings (MyHD, HDHR, and FusionHDTV) as well as scheduled tasks such as CW_EPG's daily scheduling download and go back to sleep afterward. As Vlad mentioned, there are sometimes other issues, especially on PCs that are used for other purposes than HT duties, but those are extraneous to CW_EPG and MyHD.

BTW, hibernate is my preferred sleep state, as it will preserve settings through a power failure, but either that or standby should give the same results. (Although some people find that their PC doesn't function correctly for one or the other)
post #3516 of 3803
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

The PC will not sleep if MyHD is running (except, oddly, when it's paused during file playback). If you set up Windows Power Options to send the machine to sleep after X minutes of inactivity and set MyHD to "exit the app" after and between recordings then things should work as desired: The PC will wake up for recordings (MyHD, HDHR, and FusionHDTV) as well as scheduled tasks such as CW_EPG's daily scheduling download and go back to sleep afterward.

TP, on your advice I just changed MyHD capture settings from do not exit after and between recordings to exit MyHD. I did notice that MyHD has option to hibernate or standby after or between recordings - are you saying that it does not have this option? Also changed power setting to hibernate after 1/2 ihour instead of standy after 1/2 hour - that may have been causing my crashes after manually opening CW after recording - me not like standby.
post #3517 of 3803
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Originally Posted by a8vdeluxe View Post

....I did notice that MyHD has option to hibernate or standby after or between recordings - are you saying that it does not have this option?....

No, I'm saying that you should not use the options to have MyHD force standby or hibernate, because that will potentially interfere with other running tasks. The correct option is to exit the app so that the PC will be idle when there are no other tasks running and therefore will fall asleep at the Power Options time limit. (BTW, 30 minutes seems excessively long for that if your PC is just doing HT duty)
post #3518 of 3803
Why not have forced hibernate option in CW? I deem web surfing and IPTV part of HT so 30 minutes is probably not long enough.

Homerhd

PS Don't know if you're still taking suggestions but option for start/stop times other than on the hour or half hour would be nice. I've only been using CW EPG with MyHD and HDhomerun for about a month and can now see how great a scheduler it is. I've used many tuners/software including media center and have never seen one that did not allow adjustments on start/stop times -what's up with that?

Is CW EPG propitiatory or open source? Since integrated with MyHD/Fusion assume not open, but HDhomerun is open source and works great with CW EPG - a little more open source on this side would be nice.
post #3519 of 3803
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Originally Posted by a8vdeluxe View Post

Why not have forced hibernate option in CW?

If you stop and think about this for a few minutes, I bet that you'll realize why that's not a good idea (and why you can't use that option in MyHD unless running MyHD is the only thing that your PC ever does). Hint: It's very uncool when MyHD shuts down your PC while you're trying to use it. Set it up to hibernate after recordings and you'll see what I mean if you can't imagine it otherwise.
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I deem web surfing and IPTV part of HT so 30 minutes is probably not long enough.

Again, stop and think for a minute...what does the length of inactivity timeout have to do with your web surfing?? I find a 10-minute timeout adequate most of the time.
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...option for start/stop times other than on the hour or half hour would be nice....

Huh??? CW_EPG allows one-minute increments for padding on both start and stop times (which are in turn based on the program schedule). What are you talking about?
post #3520 of 3803
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Originally Posted by a8vdeluxe View Post

Why not have forced hibernate option in CW? I deem web surfing and IPTV part of HT so 30 minutes is probably not long enough.

Homerhd

PS Don't know if you're still taking suggestions but option for start/stop times other than on the hour or half hour would be nice. I've only been using CW EPG with MyHD and HDhomerun for about a month and can now see how great a scheduler it is. I've used many tuners/software including media center and have never seen one that did not allow adjustments on start/stop times -what's up with that?

Is CW EPG propitiatory or open source? Since integrated with MyHD/Fusion assume not open, but HDhomerun is open source and works great with CW EPG - a little more open source on this side would be nice.

Good luck with that. Most Windows programs are one size fits all.
post #3521 of 3803
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

If you stop and think about this for a few minutes, I bet that you'll realize why that's not a good idea (and why you can't use that option in MyHD unless running MyHD is the only thing that your PC ever does). Hint: It's very uncool when MyHD shuts down your PC while you're trying to use it. Set it up to hibernate after recordings and you'll see what I mean if you can't imagine it otherwise.Again, stop and think for a minute...what does the length of inactivity timeout have to do with your web surfing?? I find a 10-minute timeout adequate most of the time.Huh??? CW_EPG allows one-minute increments for padding on both start and stop times (which are in turn based on the program schedule). What are you talking about?

Hibernate option could easily be proceeded by an audio pop up asking if you would like to hibernate, if no answer then go to sleep. In my case 90% of recordings are while I'm gone so barely an issue here. Waking from hibernate is more of problem for me cause it is time consuming to wake but again pop ups or checking for running apps before hibernating would be good.
Maybe there is something on pad times that I'm missing. As I understand, start time can be increased up to 15 minutes and end time increased up to 15 minutes. Tonight show goes from 10:30 to 11;30. Please tell me how this limited option allows for "season passing" the fifteen minute slot from 11:00 to 11:15?
Also wondering if those pad times apply to all programs or if each program can be assigned individual "pads"?
post #3522 of 3803
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Who wants a distracting pop-up (which may or may not be seen, depending upon whether or not the PC desktop happens to be visible) during playback of a show? Not I! Indeed, such pop ups are the very least endearing "feature" of FusionHDTV to me.

Regarding padding: Please, please(!) read the damned ReadMe so that I won't feel that I wasted my time writing it.

CW_EPG is designed to be driven by the Schedules Direct program information. If you want to schedule a recurring recording at a particular time on a given channel, you can do so using the MyHD app and CW_EPG will avoid collisions with that schedule.
post #3523 of 3803
One size fits all. Don't say I didn't tell you.
post #3524 of 3803
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

Who wants a distracting pop-up (which may or may not be seen, depending upon whether or not the PC desktop happens to be visible) during playback of a show? Not I! Indeed, such pop ups are the very least endearing "feature" of FusionHDTV to me.

Regarding padding: Please, please(!) read the damned ReadMe so that I won't feel that I wasted my time writing it.

CW_EPG is designed to be driven by the Schedules Direct program information. If you want to schedule a recurring recording at a particular time on a given channel, you can do so using the MyHD app and CW_EPG will avoid collisions with that schedule.

Terry, please tell me how you really feel about having a hibernate option?

I read and see how padding can be program specific. Sorry

Since my MyHD can not tune NBC I have no idea how I can record that NBC in MyHD tuner. HDhomerun tuner picks up NBC so I think the best I can do for that 15 minute slot is to record 45 minutes (10:45 to 11:30 wasting 1/2 hour multiplied by a season).

Homer
post #3525 of 3803
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Why cannot MyHD tune NBC? (This should probably move to the MyHD thread).
post #3526 of 3803
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

Why cannot MyHD tune NBC? (This should probably move to the MyHD thread).

Reception is marginal so I use HDhomerun for CW to record.
post #3527 of 3803
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Oh, I see. Thanks for the clarification. The development team will have to huddle over this one....
post #3528 of 3803
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

Oh, I see. Thanks for the clarification. The development team will have to huddle over this one....

That's funny! If it matters MyHD can reliably pick up only about a third of my channels - that was a major reason for getting HdHomerun and now CW EPG. HdHomerun picks them all up clearly. Also, there are some half hour shows that I only want to record 5 minutes of for the whole season, and football games often go over 15 minutes.


homer
post #3529 of 3803
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Fractional show recordings are not now handled (no negative padding [Edit: See Tim's post two below this one for a workaround]). But fb games are not a problem. Just add 30-40 minutes of post padding.

PS: Dave Plettner reminds me that he posted an RT* ini script in this thread last year that will accomplish the sort of scheduling that you're seeking. RT may be better suited to your purpose than CW_EPG in this case.

*RT = AllenDB's easy-to-use but non GUI tool "Record This", which plays nice with CW_EPG, since Allen is on our team.
post #3530 of 3803
Negative padding would be solid. Will check out Record This - thanks again!


Homerhd
post #3531 of 3803
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Originally Posted by a8vdeluxe View Post

Negative padding would be solid. Will check out Record This - thanks again!

I don't like telling folks to mess with the configuration files, and I do so now stating that if you muck it up and have to wipe out and start over, don't come whining to me.

With that said...... The current CW-EPG does not allow one to set negative padding. However, you CAN set a negative start (delay) or negative end (end early) by manipulating the watchlist.csv file located in your CW-EPG program directory. The 4th element is the start time padding and the 5th is the end time padding. If they are blank, then the CW-EPG default padding time is used.

Example:
R,Big Brother,C,"","",EP,"","","","",""
R,The Amazing Race,C,1,15,EP,"","","","",""

If you were to set for instance the starting pad to -15 (no quotes) the matched program would start 15 minutes after it is scheduled to air and the same goes for the end time, i.e, -30 would end the program 30 minutes early.

So for instance, you should be able to capture the 5th thru 20th minute of Leno (assuming it is 1 hr in length) by:

R,The Tonight Show with Jay Leno,C,-5,-40,EP,"","","","",""

Careful... If you put values in there that cause bad times, i.e., delay time that causes a start time after the program is over, you will receive a "Too Near Completion" error message and there will be no capture scheduled.

Again, USE THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK OF SCREWING UP SCHEDULING AND LOSING CAPTURES!!!!
post #3532 of 3803
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Originally Posted by hdtvincr View Post

I The current CW-EPG does not allow one to set negative padding. However, you CAN set a negative start (delay) or negative end (end early) by manipulating the watchlist.csv file located in your CW-EPG program directory.


That file is not in my Cliff Watson EPG Project program directory?

Update: Never mind - just noticed it is a hidden file. Thank you!!!
Time to start mucking.
post #3533 of 3803
That worked! Now I'm wondering what the options are after 4th and 5th entrees? Any other tips/tricks you have for options and or usage would be greatly appreciated.

homerhd
post #3534 of 3803
Those are filter time blocks, station filters, etc....
post #3535 of 3803
Ok I think I see that. Any other tricks in other good mucking areas?
post #3536 of 3803
Thread Starter 
All the parameters are accessible via the GUI menus. Search through this forum thread for some tips on using the program-to-match string to record, e.g., only certain football teams' games or all "pilot" episodes.

Here's a new one, record all "movies" by entering:

*" and [movie_year] <> "

(Do enter all quotes and spaces exactly as shown)

You probably want to restrict this to capture only from certain channels.
post #3537 of 3803
Ah....Cool TP.
post #3538 of 3803
Thread Starter 
Actually, Tim gave it to me.

The "muckers" in the crowd (Hi, Nani!) will be able to conger up just about any filters that they want by following the patterns evident in the previous examples and noting the database fields available by opening cw_sched.mdb with MDBViewer.
post #3539 of 3803
Well....Pass it around.

All you folk do an absolutely great job with CW_epg.
post #3540 of 3803
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

No, I'm saying that you should not use the options to have MyHD force standby or hibernate, because that will potentially interfere with other running tasks. The correct option is to exit the app so that the PC will be idle when there are no other tasks running and therefore will fall asleep at the Power Options time limit. (BTW, 30 minutes seems excessively long for that if your PC is just doing HT duty)

W.R.T MyHD MDP-130 used in conjunction with CW_EPG, does it matter whether the "Enable wakeup from suspend" option is set or not under MyHD's configuration settings? I am currently running my WinXP machine to go into hibernate after 15 minutes(not standby as it was before, you convinced me to switch to hibernate mode). I am just wondering if the "Enable wakeup from suspend" mode in MyHD matters as far as CW_EPG is concerned when performing automatically scheduled tasks. Thanks.
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