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post #1 of 510
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I went to Sams Club, owned by Wal-Mart, and spotted the new Magnavox MSR90D6 DVD recorder for only $96.88. It records to four formats (DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, and DVD+RW). It is manufactured by Funai (says on the box). It records to stereo. For that price, it seems to be more of a better value than the Cyberhome, ILO, and Lite-On. Anybody saw or tried it? Thanks.
post #2 of 510
Well in my area I've seen the Samsung 120 for as low as $99 & I'd buy that over the Funai.

I think this upcoming model year you will see a lot of DVD Recorders out there for under $100 so I would wait until they are all released before I jumped on any of them.

Myself a few months back received a "Refurbished" Samsung R4000 (A Panny E50 Clone) as a gift from my daughter & I have burned well over 300 DVDs without any problems with it & she only paid $99.00 for it & the original price on it was $500 so there are a lot of alternatives out there then just jumping on the lowest price recorder around.
post #3 of 510
If Samsung is the same as Panasonic, I'm not impressed. As their lower end models have very few features, & are clunky to operate. I have a Sylvania (by Funai) DVR90VF combo unit, and a Panasonic ES-20K, and found the menu, features, & operation of the Sylvania more intuitive, logical, detailed, & easier to operate. Along with extra features like zoom, 30-sec commercial skip, sound at 2X search (ledgible too), adjustable chapter time setting, a stereo tuner, and better (more pronounced surround detail), It's not too Shabby! And although the picture quality is a hair clearer on the Panny, the Sylvania has what appears to be a brighter, more natural looking picture. Finally it appears the Sylvania is more stable burning, & playing, I think I could throw anything at it, and it would play decently, not like the sensitive (high strung) Panny.

I actually bought the Sylvania first, (on sale) at Sears, and liked it so much, I couldn't return it, so because it is silver, and doesn't have Flex record, it was relegated to the bedroom, and the black Panny ES-20K sits in my matching entertainment center.

I wouldn't drop this into the same cheapo category as an ILO, or Cyberhome, or any other no name unit. I consider it a decent economy model DVDR
post #4 of 510
The newer Samsung's are made by Samsung & if I remember right the R4000 was last Samsung model made by Panasonic.

As far as the Funai goes I'll take the Panny over it just for the "FR" Recording Mode & Picture Quality but that's just me

Again as I said above, I would'nt be jumping on any low priced models until "ALL" of the new models are out & who knows maybe the new Panny's won't even be as good as a Funai will just have to wait & see to find out.
post #5 of 510
Found the manual on line. Lots of features if it is reliable.

http://www.funai-corp.com/6pdf/om/MSR90D6.pdf
post #6 of 510
Another interesting feature I found on my Sylvania as well as this recent Magnavox, is programable auto finalize.
post #7 of 510
Other than the adjustable chapter time setting, the other features mentioned for the Sylvania seem worthless, as they are playback features. I don't recall EVER having played a DVD in any of the many, many recorders I've owned, other than a brief check of the recording, since none of them are as good for viewing as a quality playback only (non-recording) machine.

I've never touched a manual for a Panny unit either, but have never had to, since the interface is so simple to use. My 7-year old son makes recordings frequently with one of them. FR mode is invaluable. The new Pannys will have upconversion too, FYI.
post #8 of 510
Well Spyder, Some of us don't have the latest DVD player, so playback in the recorder is required. I have a 4yr old Panny player in my entertainment center, and don't have a player in the bedroom, just the sylvania recorder. Upconversion don't matter much to me, as I have a 5yr old 36"CRT Panasonic TV in my living room, I don't plan on updating for awhile, As it is, the clarity is awesome!

IMO, the Panasonic units are Ok, but there are other options, and if the Sylvania was black, and had 2.5 - 3hr. record, I'd have never bought the Panny, what with it's hiccups!

By the way, Funai is a Japanese company.
post #9 of 510
I wasn't implying that everyone needs the latest and greatest thing, just that DVD recorders are generally regarded as somewhat inferior playback devices, regardless of brand. The reason Panny units get so much "bad press" is that there are so many owners (probably 1000 to 1 over a Sylvania unit) hence more complaints, but not when viewed as a ratio.
post #10 of 510
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Originally Posted by MikDee View Post

By the way, Funai is a Japanese company.

Correct. Of all the people I know, everybody thinks that Funai is a Chinese company.
post #11 of 510
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Just purchased the Magnavox MSR90D6 today at Sam's Club. I took it home and found out that the response time to press different functions, like opening/closing the tray, is somewhat slow. DVD picture quality looks better than CyberHome that I tried before. Otherwise, this unit seems to work and function pretty well (no skips or pauses at all). It creates very little heat, even if it does not have a cooling fan. Time will tell how long it will last, but I can feel that it will last longer than the CyberHome DVR1600 that I only kept for 16 days.
post #12 of 510
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Originally Posted by InYourEyes View Post

Correct. Of all the people I know, everybody thinks that Funai is a Chinese company.

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Funa is Japanese, but most of the production is in China. For a long time, Funai was the largest VCR manufacturer in the world. Making product for many "name brands". Overall quality is quite good.

Funai, of couse, make various grades of products. Think Cavalier and Corvette, both from GM.
post #13 of 510
Just wondering did Philips sell the Magnavox brand name to Funai?

Seems funny if they din't that Philips would have the Funai name on anything even if they did make it for them.

I know a Magnavox VCR that I had awhile back was made by Funai for Philips but no where was the Funai name ever mentioned but maybe Philips is only letting them use Funai on Magnavox products & not Philips Products?
post #14 of 510
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Originally Posted by Bill1313 View Post

Just wondering did Philips sell the Magnavox brand name to Funai?

Seems funny if they din't that Philips would have the Funai name on anything even if they did make it for them.

I know a Magnavox VCR that I had awhile back was made by Funai for Philips but no where was the Funai name ever mentioned but maybe Philips is only letting them use Funai on Magnavox products & not Philips Products?

Philips already sold half of the Magnavox's share value to Funai. The Magnavox brand can be used by two companies: Funai and Philips. Both have control over the Magnavox brand and can use this brand for marketing purposes. Funai does not need to ask Philips for permission. Funai sells and markets products under the Magnavox brand for Wal-Mart/Sam's Club retailers only.
post #15 of 510
At that price, I thought I would give it a shot. I already have a Pioneer DVD recorder that records to the minus format only. I will compare the two and see how the quality is and it also gives me a chance to try the plus format too and see how the compatability works in my other players. Will post my opinios after I burn and play a few disks in both formats.
post #16 of 510
golfster, Looking forward to your report & it might make a great low-cost extra DVD Recorder.
post #17 of 510
Got mine hooked up and have some initial impressions,

The clock is driving me nuts..set it, but can't figure out how to view it without going into the setup clock menu.

Good set of features like zoom, commercial advance, angle, viewing video at a slightly faster or slower rate with sound-can view at 1.3X norml rate in case you don't want to spend a whole 3 hours on a long movie. Most features are menu driven instead of remote driven by input button. Should be OK once you get used to it.

This recorder records to DVD+/-R or RW disks. It formats the - disks to the + format, so everything is treated as a + but there are a few features in editing that are DVD+RW exclusive such as not having to finalize to use in another player-you make compatable instead.

Had a couple initial glitches on recording that may have been my fault. First thing I did was a 30 minute one touch recording on a +RW. I let it record for a minute or so then stopped it. Screen displayed "writing to disk" went to 60% and just stuck there for a long long time. All buttons were locked out. I finally unplugged it. Plugged it back in and it displayed "repairing disk" for a couple minutes. Then the menu displayed and the recording played perfectly. I then erased the disk and set up a timer recording. It did not start on time and when I checked the clock, it was set wrong-probably somehow my fault. Set up another timer recorder after I reset the clock and it started and stopped on time. The recording was viewable right after the recording stopped and the quality was excellent. Features like commercial advance, FF, pause etc all functioned perfectly.

Tried playback of Star Wars III to see how a commercial disk looked. I have this machine set up with component video, but NOT progressive scan. The picture quality looked very close to my Toshiba player that is on Component video WITH progressive scan. Hooked up with progressive scan, it should produce a better picture. All features worked on this disk but response seemed a little slower than the Toshiba or my Pioneer recorder. Not a problem though.

Have not had time to record to the various formats and to see how compatabe the disks are. Will post and findins/problem that I encounter.

All in all, this seems to be a pretty nice recorder. I am going to keep it. I think it seems a little less rugged than my Pioneer, but it cost a whole lot less. Seems to maybe be a best buy for an under 100 dollar recorder. I like the dual format feature instead of + only like many of the low cost recorders have. Wish it had a front panel display-everything is on screen. My biggest complaint remains the clock. If I figure out how to display it on the screen, I will be very happy.

So far it seems like a good basic recorder/player for somone on a budget or wants a good second unit.
post #18 of 510
golfster, How is the quality of the Built-In Tuner?

If you press the "Display" button maybe that will bring up the time? if not how about when you change channels maybe it automatically comes up with the on-screen CH Number & etc?


Or maybe try the Timer Prog. Button maybe it comes up with that?

There must be some way I would think to display the time without having to go into the menu system.

One thing I have to add & I'm not picking on you is that it does not have "Commercial Advance" on it, it has a 30 second "Commercial Skip" button on it.

"Commercial Advance" is a system that automatically marks the beginning & ending of commercials & on playback it automatically skips over the commercials.

So far the only DVD Recorder that has "Commercial Advance" on it is one RCA model. Just wanted to point that out just incase someone was looking for a recorder with the "Commercial Advance" system & thought the Magavox had it.

Looking forward to anything else you learn about the Magnavox & thanks again for your report.
post #19 of 510
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Originally Posted by golfster View Post


This recorder records to DVD+/-R or RW disks. It formats the - disks to the + format, so everything is treated as a + but there are a few features in editing that are DVD+RW exclusive such as not having to finalize to use in another player-you make compatable instead.

Does it really reformat DVD-R discs to DVD+R? I have never heard of that possibility. Seems it would be easier to just include both + and - formats.
post #20 of 510
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Originally Posted by golfster View Post

This recorder records to DVD+/-R or RW disks. It formats the - disks to the + format, so everything is treated as a + but there are a few features in editing that are DVD+RW exclusive such as not having to finalize to use in another player-you make compatable instead.

That's got to be just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.
post #21 of 510
To answer a couple of the last posts...

So far, on the clock thing, the only way I have seen the time is in setup and when you set up for a timer recording. I have hit every button on the remote and have not seen the time yet. Just a small thing, but irritating.

Have not tried a DVD- in the unit yet, but the manual says it formats them to DVD+VR mode. It also says that you can not record onto a DVD-RW that was formatted in another recorder in the - format. The DVD-RW has to be finalized but DVD+RW does not (has to be made compatable) to work on other players. I have not owed a DVD+ unit or a dual format unit before so I do not know if they do the same thing-seemed odd to me too. My DVD- Pioneer disks have played in everything I have tried them in. I will be trying some of my DVD-RWs in it to see how it records and how the compatability is. I also wonder if I will be able to reformat one of the DVD-RWs in my Pioneer once it is formatted to the + format. Seems the laser shold be able to handle this.

The commercial skip skips forward 30 seconds and you can push it multiple times and it will skip up to 180 seconds. My Pioneer has this and skips ahead in one jump, but this unit does multiple jumps in about 10 second blocks. Not better or worse, just different.

Another neat feature is the recording modes. It has 1, 2, 2.5, 3, 4 and 6 hour modes plus an auto mode that detects space left on the disk and adjusts the speed so the recording fits. This is like the feature on some Panasonic models.

I hooked this recorder via S-video to a Dish 811 high def receiver and hooked an external antenna to the antenna input. I saw no reduction in signal strength of my OTA high def channels by routing the antenna through the DVD recorder. As far as the tuner, it seems fine, but I am just picking up analog OTA signals on it. It seemed fairly sensitive and auto tuned all the stations in our area plus a few that are too weak to watch. The local ones are clear. Mostly I will record the S-video input from the Dish receiver.

One big disappointment I had with my Pioneer is that you must record in VR mode to be able to edit out commercials or scenes or add chapters. After spending the time to do this and finalizing the disk, I found out that VR mode is not compatable in almost all players and Video mode does not allow editing. I am hoping that when I edit the DVD+RW that I am recording right now it will work on my other players. If so, this format will be a big advantage. The manual reads like it should.

I do not have this connected to my surround sound system, but it only has a digital coax audio output. Would have been nice to have an optical output too, but that would have increased the price. Also not a problem, but make sure you have an available input if you want 5.1 sound. Does not matter to me as you can not record 5.1 sound anyhow and I will use my player to view my movies. No reason that this could not be your only unit if you have the input open.

For me it is a work in progress, but how far wrong can you go with a recorder that seems to be pretty good at the price of a DVD player. I was just looking for a low cost option to record from the Dish 811 and this seems to fit the bill.

BTW, my Pioneer is on another system hooked to a Dish PVR receiver. I use it to tranfer VHS tapes and movies I have saved to the DVR that I want to keep to DVDs. This new unit was bought to add some versatility to the high def receiver.
post #22 of 510
I also just bought this unit from sams and have burned 3 disks using TDK +r media. I was originally looking at some higher end recorders but was intrigued by the "multi" format capabilty. I will try the -r media and let you guys know if see any major difference in functionality. But here are my inital impressions after 4 days. The unit is very "basic" and nature and pretty much has all the standard functions. I have a phillips/magnavox recorder and a samsung recorder and this unit quite frankly out performs them both. While its not as sexy as some of the higher end units I would bet dollar for dollar it performs as well. For those of you thumbing your nose at this unit comparing it to cyberhome, ilo, trutech, etc I will tell you that you are dead wrong. I did alot of surfing comparing different recorders prior to "impulse" buying this unit. It appears that no matter who you talk to they are going to find something negative to say regardless. But I will tell you for $98 on this unit you cant go wrong. Not exactly disposable but pretty close. I didnt buy this to be a centerpiece in my system rather a bedroom unit to back up my tivo. So if you want a unit for your main system then this may not be for you (but quite frankly I would use it there) but as a backup or 2/3rd system I would recommend it.
post #23 of 510
OK, I have had a few days to try this unit out more fully.

First thing I noticed is after you put in a RW disk is that it formats automatically and VERY quickly. Formatting probably takes less than a minute. Quicker than my Pioneer.

Using DVD+RW (Verbatum brand), all the edits I did worked perfectly. The menus are pretty intuitive, but have the manual close by on the first try or two. Did some adding titles(dividing as it calls it), adding chapter marks, deleting titles, renaming etc. Editing start/stop marks seemed to be accurate within about a second of what I aimed at. It played as it should on the Magnavox. Went to the disk menu to "make edits compatable" and it was not available. Seems that menu only comes up when it is needed. I popped the disk into my Toshiba player and it was compatable without finalizing or making compatable. All edits were recognized just as they were on the recorder. Really nice not to have to finalize that disk.

Next I put in a DVD-RW disk. To make it a real test, I used a made in Taiwan Office Depot Brand disk. As I said before, it is formattted as a DVD+VR. Did the same as above on editing. It also played back perfectly in the recorder. The only difference is that you have to finalize the DVD- disks for them to play in other players. Finalization seemed quicker than my Pioneer recorder, but finalizatin times vary quite a bit anyhow. Put the disk in my Toshiba and it also was 100% compatable and edits recognized as I did them. Only difference in the + and - is the finalizing step.

Someone said that this formatting both + and - minus to the VR+mode was dumb, but is seems it is dumb like a fox. When I edit VR mode disks on my Pioneer (DVD-RW) they will not play on my Toshiba or Sony players. With this recorder, they play and the thumbnails display. This versatility alone makes this recorder worth a serious look.

I have not owned or used any other dual format recorders and maybe they handle the disks the same way. If anyone knows, please post. If they don't, they should. Usually we see features from high priced units filter down to the lower priced ones. In this case, the opposite might be true. I think they should all work this way. No reason all recorders should not be dual format.

The unit has a few things I do not like. The clock still bothers me, the tray seems a little flimsy, you have to access some features such as zoom and chapter search and others through the display menu. I would prefer a button on the remote. I prefer the muliple thumbnail scenes on the editing screen that my Pioneer uses to set an editing section on one screen rather that the single scene system on this unit where you set a mark and then move on to the next mark, then find that section to delete or rename etc. All in all, still pretty quick and easy to edit.

After reading all the posts about low cost recorders, this looks like the one to try. To me, the ability to edit in VR mode on +/- and to be compatable in other players is the deal maker for me. I give it 8 out of 10.
post #24 of 510
I took a ride (trip, journey) over to my local Sam's club (about 35miles) in Middletown N.Y. and while there checked out this Magnavox DVDR, it is definitely nice looking (mostly black laquer, & silver), along with being compact, & light. If I had found it first, I would have been DONE looking for a DVDR,,, instead of buying the Sylvania DVR90VF VCR/DVD, or then the Panasonic ES-20K (black). But No, Sam's didn't have it on their website!,,, how dyslectic is that? they are so behind the times! I don't know how long they've stocked this particular unit, but I've checked their website numerous times over the last 4months, and saw Nada, nothing appealing in DVDR's! So, because of their stupidity, they lost my sale.

Anyway, while I was there, Sad over this, I picked up a 100 pack of Verbatim DVD-R blanks for $29.88, and 100 CD/DVD boxes for $12.37 figuring this was a decent (though not the best) sale. When I got home, I took a good look at the Verbatim disc's and to my dismay, they are made in Taiwan,,, don't know wether this is bad, or worse, so whatever.
post #25 of 510
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Originally Posted by MikDee View Post

Anyway, while I was there, Sad over this, I picked up a 100 pack of Verbatim DVD-R blanks for $29.88, and 100 CD/DVD boxes for $12.37 figuring this was a decent (though not the best) sale. When I got home, I took a good look at the Verbatim disc's and to my dismay, they are made in Taiwan,,, don't know wether this is bad, or worse, so whatever.

I have used quite a few Verbatum DVD-RWs and some DVD+RWs and have not had a bad one yet. All Taiwan may not be bad.
post #26 of 510
Just A Few Questions:

1. When using the "Auto Fit" Recording Mode does it work for "Manual" & "Timer" Recording? & if it does work in the "Manual" Recording mode can you "Pause" it to cut commercials out & etc?

2. How is the Picture Quality in the 2 1/2 & 3 Hour recording modes?

3. Does it record in Dolby Digital Audio Format? (If not maybe that's why it changes -R discs from the "Video" Format to the "VR" Format?)

4. What Color is the unit?

So far this looks like a very interesting recorder for the price

Thanks
post #27 of 510
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Originally Posted by Bill1313 View Post

Just A Few Questions:

1. When using the "Auto Fit" Recording Mode does it work for "Manual" & "Timer" Recording? & if it does work in the "Manual" Recording mode can you "Pause" it to cut commercials out & etc?

2. How is the Picture Quality in the 2 1/2 & 3 Hour recording modes?

3. Does it record in Dolby Digital Audio Format? (If not maybe that's why it changes -R discs from the "Video" Format to the "VR" Format?)

4. What Color is the unit?

So far this looks like a very interesting recorder for the price

Thanks

1. Auto fit seems to only work for timer recordings. Have not used it yet, but have a recording set up to try it tonight. Manual (one touch) recording has you set the speed before you start to record, so only the preset modes are available. I suppose you could "fool it" by setting up a timer recording starting at the current or earlier time and selecting auto mode. It would start as soon as you turned it off. Do not see the need to pause a recording when the editing is so easy to cut out a section.

2. Have recorded in 2, 2.5, 3 and 4 hour modes. 2 hr is excellent 2.5 and 3 seem nearly as good, but with different redorded media, it is impossible to tell exactly. In the 4 hour mode, the picture was a little softer but saw no pixilation. It was at least as good as the 2 hour mode on a VCR. I would not use the 4 hour for anything but time shifting of a TV show. The 2 to 3 hour modes were good enough for something I wanted to keep.

3. Yes it records Dolby surround, but like all DVD recorders, NOT DD 5.1 The change to the +VR format allows you to do editing that is not available on a DVD -VIDEO formatted disk, and unlike a -VR disk, the edited disk is compatable on DVD players. I am now a big fan of this feature. I quit editing on my Pioneer because the VR formatted disks would not play on other DVD players. I only use Video mode on the Pioneer now. The advantage of the DVD+ disks over DVD- is that they do not need to be finalized to work in DVD players.

4. The unit is black and silver. The unit is silver with a black band all the way across the front. The buttons, front inputs and disk tray are in the black part with a narrow silver band above it and a little wider siler band below it. Actually a pretty nice looking unit.

Since the last post, I have made several recording on both DVD+RW and DVD-RW. I have erased the material for both types and re-used several times and it has worked perfectly. I also like the progress bar that displays the percentage completed when it is formatting, writing to disk and when finalizing in - mode. My Pioneer just leaves you wondering when it will be done. The more I use it, the better I like it.
post #28 of 510
golfster, Thanks for "ALL" the info & it sounds like it will make a Great Bedroom / Spareroom Recorder.

So now I'll have to look around & see if I can find a Sam's Club member & see if they can take me there or pick one up for me because the nearest Sam's Club is about & hour away for me

By any chance does Wal-Mart have this model or plan on getting it in & I wonder how much they might be selling it for?
post #29 of 510
As I said in the last post, set up the auto mode for recording. I set up 4 hours of recording. When I checked the disk, there were 9 minutes left on the disk after it recorded. Looks like it does select the right speed automatically to make your recordings fit the disk. That is nice if you are recording a 2 1/2 hour movie and you do not have to worry if you set it to the right time mode-it does it for you.

Recommened this to a friend. He bought one and hooked it to his HD plasma with progressive scan. The picture on commercial DVD looked very good. Looks like this could serve as a main unit for people who do not want to use a seperate player as I do. He is happy with his too.
post #30 of 510
After looking for a budget dvd recorder with decent features, I decided to lay-away a Pioneer dvr220s I found at Wal-Mart for $179. These are pretty hard to find anymore it seems. Then I saw the Magnavox at Sams for around half as much. I'm kinda leaning toward that one, as I worry about spending so much on a recorder that'll be obselete in a year, with the new formats and all. Does Sams offer a service plan? I know they're generally a waste of time, but for a $100 piece of electronics, it may be worth it. I looked at the Emerson (also Funai) for $110, it just didn't look that sturdy to me. With all the bad reviews on Ilo, Cyberhome, etc, I knew to stay away. Almost bought the Sylvania dvd/vcr on sale for $149. As you can see, I'm pretty price/budget minded. I'll be doing a good bit of recording, and I want my dvds to be compatable with other players. The specs on the Magnavox seem to have everything I'm looking for. I'm new to dvd recorders (and this forum), so I would appreciate any input as to whether I should keep the Pioneer, or go with the Magnavox.
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