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Originally Posted by spyder696969

Other than the adjustable chapter time setting, the other features mentioned for the Sylvania seem worthless, as they are playback features. I don't recall EVER having played a DVD in any of the many, many recorders I've owned, other than a brief check of the recording, since none of them are as good for viewing as a quality playback only (non-recording) machine.

I've never touched a manual for a Panny unit either, but have never had to, since the interface is so simple to use. My 7-year old son makes recordings frequently with one of them. FR mode is invaluable. The new Pannys will have upconversion too, FYI.

Got a newbie question- What is FR mode and why is it invaluable?

thnx

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FR mode is only 'invaluable" if you're stuck having to actually record things in real-time. If you're dumping shows off a DVR onto DVDs, you'll probably never use it.
I've made plenty of recordings so far, using Memorex dvd-r and HP dvd+r. Works great. Instruction manual is easy to follow, and recording and editing has been a snap. I'll say what others keep saying-this forum really helped this dvd recorder newbie! Picture and sound quality seem to be almost as good as the source.
I do have a question. Not really a big deal, but I tried to record a documentary dvd that was downloaded by a friend. I'm pretty sure it's a non-copyright protected production, as the makers encourage sharing with friends. Problem is, the Magnavox says it's protected and cannot be reproduced. I tried recording to a Zenith vcr, no problem. Then, this is strange, tried to just burn it from the vcr to the dvr, and it was blocked again! Does this make any sense?
The good news is that the Magnavox doesn't seem overly sensitive, as I copied "It's a Wonderful Life" from studio released vhs to dvd. The same with an old Def Leppard concert video.
Overall, I'd buy it again! Thanks again for all the help.
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Originally Posted by ncaahoops

Theoretically a number of the new dvd players of the last 2-3 years should be playing unfinalized -RW(VR) and +RW. In some threads, some people have mentioned that finalizing -RW(VR) improved compatibility somewhat, even though it is not mandatory. It would be a nice test to do if someone has a boatload of recent dvd players. I only have one :-)

Neither my Sony or cheapie Nexxtech will play unfinalized discs.
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Originally Posted by Defshep

Neither my Sony or cheapie Nexxtech will play unfinalized discs.

My Toshiba and Sony players will play unfinalized DVD+RW disks (VR mode)recorded on the Magvavox and they will play Finalized DVD-RW disks (VR mode) made on that recorder. But, neither player will play a DVD-RW (VR mode) recorded on my Pioneer recorder. They will only play DVDs recorded in video mode on that machine. This is consistant with what both instruction manuals say.

Has anyone had success recording DVD-RWs in VR-mode on a single format recorder and playing on any DVD players?
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Originally Posted by kcrudup

FR mode is only 'invaluable" if you're stuck having to actually record things in real-time. If you're dumping shows off a DVR onto DVDs, you'll probably never use it.

This depends on the recording practices of each user. Some users may never use/need the FR mode, others may use it all the time. There are some variations in how it is implemented (and named) among different models, some offer it for Timer only, others offer it for all recordings.

But the FR mode can also be very handy even if you are dumping shows from a DVR to a DVD, for example if you want to fill up the DVD with one show:

For example, if you have a program that is 2hours and 40 minutes long, using an FR mode you can fill up the DVD without wasting any space. (Some people recommend to leave a small buffer, and not to fill it up 100%).

Without FR mode you have to chose the closest approximation (eg 3-hour or 4-hour depending on what your recorder has, but it won't fill up the DVD).
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Originally Posted by philherz

Got a newbie question- What is FR mode and why is it invaluable?

thnx

The FR (Flexible Recording) mode allows you to fill-up a DVD with one recording. So if you have a movie that it is 1 hour and 22 minutes long, you are telling the DVD recorder to fill up the DVD and use the best possible quality that allows 1 hour and 22 minutes to fill up the disc. (You can also use this method to put multiple recordings per DVD but you have to manual stop each one and calculate the appropriate times each time).

In the majority of situations the duration of the FR recording and the quality are linked, one exception being Pioneer's MN's mode which allows you to specify those two independently.

When using the FR mode some people recommend that you leave a small buffer, and not fill up the DVD 100%.
A quick question?

I'm picking this unit up tonight at Sam's.

I'll be using it to record programming to be watched on a Toshiba SD-P1600 portable DVD player in the car during the summer months on vacation.

The SD-P1600, can only play DVD-R discs. Will it be able to play the DVD-R disks recorded on the Magnavox, considering that the disk is first formatted in +VR, or does it not matter as long as the disk is a DVD-R finalized.

I'm just a little confused
If the result is a finalized DVD-R, the disc won't be "first formatted in +VR". You don't format DVD-R (or DVD+R). You record to it and finalize it when done recording to it. VR mode is for DVD+/-RW.

I think there may be some support for VR mode on DVD+/-R, but it's pretty pointless since those are write-once media, and editing you do cannot reclaim the space of the deleted material.
Thanks Bob, so what I think you are saying is that it will work in the portable with no problem?

I'm new to DVD recorders, and this last week I have wasted more time on the phone then I want to think about with Samsung.

So far, all I can say is that this particular technoligy is a nightmare!
I wonder if this DVD recorder (or any one) will set the booktype on +R media to "DVD-ROM" on finalization (allows the best compatibility among standalone recorders).
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Originally Posted by SingleAction

Thanks Bob, so what I think you are saying is that it will work in the portable with no problem?

Yep, just record basic DVD-R with no fancy VR modes, finalize and you should be good to go. I do all my "permanent" recording that way and I've yet to make a disc that wouldn't play in every DVD Player I've tried it in (not counting when the recording process itself failed for whatever reason, usually bad media).
People still call Tech Support, with the 'net out there?!
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Originally Posted by bobkart

Yep, just record basic DVD-R with no fancy VR modes, finalize and you should be good to go. I do all my "permanent" recording that way and I've yet to make a disc that wouldn't play in every DVD Player I've tried it in (not counting when the recording process itself failed for whatever reason, usually bad media).

Just starting thinking about buying a DVD recorder for the stuff that I record on my SA8300 DVR and don't watch quick enough.

I'm really getting a bit confused with DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD-ROM, VR mode, etc.....

Is there a link to a basic discussion of DVD recorder terminology?

(It's too bad something like that isn't stickied to the top of the forum so us newbies don't keep asking the same questions over & over.........)
There might be something like that over at digitalfaq.com. One good way to learn this stuff is to hang around this Forum for a few months. Or perhaps read some of the past Topics here.

EDIT: This might help: http://www.dvddemystified.com/ . Google can be helpful in such quests for information.
The MSR90D6 is apparently the model # for this unit sold at Sam's Club, correct? Is this the Magnavox MRV640 or MRV660 on the Magnavox website? I'm trying to figure out which one it is. Thanks.
Jim;

This model is not on the Magnavox site. The 2 models they show only record +r; +rw, and have a display.

I think this was made by Funai for Sam's, and it's not available on their web site, so if your not near a store, your sol.
I went by Walmart and they are selling the 10D6 unit for $98. On the front of the unit it say "Progressive Scan". They had a manual laying out so I read some of it. It's very detailed. Progressive is 480. It does appear to have sorta kinda "FR" mode, you set the time and it decides what mode. For all you Liteon 5005'ers like me it does not have "DV in" anywhere, no recording Audio CD's, VCD's or SVCD's. Other than that it seems OK, does have "S-Video in" front and back. Looks like Progressive Scan is a go! It is built by Funai. Hope this helps! Quote: Theoretically a number of the new dvd players of the last 2-3 years should be playing unfinalized -RW(VR) and +RW. In some threads, some people have mentioned that finalizing -RW(VR) improved compatibility somewhat, even though it is not mandatory. It would be a nice test to do if someone has a boatload of recent dvd players. I only have one :-) I picked up the mag at Sams yesterday. After hookup, I recorded a short clip from an HDDirectTivo at 480i via S-video to DVD-RW. I was able to play the disc back on a Samsung 941 and a Sony 530 DVDP without finalizing the disc. The Sony is from 2000 and is very picky about playing back burned media. I have read that it will play RW media, but not R media? go figure. I was pleased that both played back the -RW without finalizing the disc. Quote: Originally Posted by Rmassey I picked up the mag at Sams yesterday. After hookup, I recorded a short clip from an HDDirectTivo at 480i via S-video to DVD-RW. I was able to play the disc back on a Samsung 941 and a Sony 530 DVDP without finalizing the disc. The Sony is from 2000 and is very picky about playing back burned media. I have read that it will play RW media, but not R media? go figure. I was pleased that both played back the -RW without finalizing the disc. That sounds nice! Not having to finalize is a nice convinience! Quote: Originally Posted by had1 I went by Walmart and they are selling the 10D6 unit for$98. On the front of the unit it say "Progressive Scan". They had a manual laying out so I read some of it. It's very detailed. Progressive is 480. It does appear to have sorta kinda "FR" mode, you set the time and it decides what mode. For all you Liteon 5005'ers like me it does not have "DV in" anywhere, no recording Audio CD's, VCD's or SVCD's. Other than that it seems OK, does have "S-Video in" front and back. Looks like Progressive Scan is a go! It is built by Funai. Hope this helps!

Hey, Had1, I've got two 5005's myself and love 'em. May have bought this instead of the second 5005 if I\\it had been available then, but maybe not. I love recording CDR/RW' discs on my 5005. Was a feature I never thought I'd use until I had it. Great fro recording Concerts off TV for listening in the car. Other than the botched Tunber (no problem for me since I have a ReplayTV hooked up to it), it's a great m,achicne and still the most flexible I know of. And the VCD/SVCD's are pretty darn good considering their limitations. Anyway, for the price, great machines. But this Funai Magnavox sounds like a great deal as well. But I guess two is enough for now.

Cheers!

Bron
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Originally Posted by ncaahoops

That sounds nice! Not having to finalize is a nice convinience!

I carefully finalized all my -RW's for sometime until I accidentally forgot one time and then discovereed that the DVD-RW (VR)'s from my 5005's played on just about everything fine. And get this, sicne then I've had *less* compatibility problems with unfinalized disks than finalized - weird, eh.

Anyway, most newer players seme to handle them fine as do all my PC DVD drives.

DVD+RW is not as compatible on my units, works on soem, not others. Go figure.
Has anyone found out the difference between the Sam's model & the Wal-Mart model besides just different model numbers?

There was some question wether the Wal-Mart model could do progressive scan or not but a friend of mine just told me that the Wal-Mart model says "Progressive Scan" on the front panel so I guess that's not one of the differences so does anyone know if there are any differences? Thanks
I've quickly compared both owner's manuals, and can find no difference. Both are available on Funai's website.
Thanks bbt, And I'll give that Wal-Mart Manual a look see right now

If this recorder pans out to have some durability it looks like it will make a nice Christmas present or gift for family, girlfriends & etc.
I just recorded a concert to DVD-R (HQ/1 hr mode) from my DirecTivo. I then went to edit the disc... editied the Title and cleared all chapter marks so I could reindex it at the beginning of each song. It took a while and I was able to get it just right. I tested it out and then finalized the disc. The disc plays fine on the Mag, but when I put it into a Samsung player, it does not have any of the reindexed chapter marks. Did I do something wrong on the Mag, or is this the expected behavior, that chapter marks are only valid on the mag and not other players? If this is the case, that will be the last time I take make the effort to reindex the chapter marks. What a waste.....
I think it should work.

How were able to determine that the chapter marks were not recognized by the Samsung player?
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Originally Posted by Rmassey

I just recorded a concert to DVD-R (HQ/1 hr mode) from my DirecTivo. I then went to edit the disc... editied the Title and cleared all chapter marks so I could reindex it at the beginning of each song. It took a while and I was able to get it just right. I tested it out and then finalized the disc. The disc plays fine on the Mag, but when I put it into a Samsung player, it does not have any of the reindexed chapter marks. Did I do something wrong on the Mag, or is this the expected behavior, that chapter marks are only valid on the mag and not other players? If this is the case, that will be the last time I take make the effort to reindex the chapter marks. What a waste.....

I found on mine that the editing on DVD-Rs do not show up on my Toshiba player when I hide chapters-it just plays the entire disk as recorded, but the edits I did on DVD+RW and DVD-RWs worked fine on the Toshiba player. On the RWs, you can create titles, put your choice of thumbnail, delete titles if there is a section you do not want and name them whatever you want. This is much nicer than marking chapters. All the edits, thumbnails, titles, names etc showed up on my Toshiba player exactly as it did on the Magnavox when using RWs.

Have not used a DVD+R on this machine, so do not know if those edits will be compatable.

BTW, just picked up some Office Depot DVD+RWs on sale for 12.99/25 and they work just fine in this player as do the DVD-RWs from them. At 50 cents a disk, I can afford to use RWs exclusively and have all the editing compatable on other players.
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Originally Posted by Rmassey

I just recorded a concert to DVD-R (HQ/1 hr mode) from my DirecTivo. I then went to edit the disc... editied the Title and cleared all chapter marks so I could reindex it at the beginning of each song. It took a while and I was able to get it just right. I tested it out and then finalized the disc. The disc plays fine on the Mag, but when I put it into a Samsung player, it does not have any of the reindexed chapter marks. Did I do something wrong on the Mag, or is this the expected behavior, that chapter marks are only valid on the mag and not other players? If this is the case, that will be the last time I take make the effort to reindex the chapter marks. What a waste.....

Perhaps this is because the -R(+VR) bonus features are not recognized by a dvd player expecting a -R(Video mode) video?
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Originally Posted by bobkart

I think it should work.

How were able to determine that the chapter marks were not recognized by the Samsung player?

I played it back in the SS and hit next chapter and it landed in the middle of a song, not at the beginning where I set the chapter mark.

I'll play more with the DVD-RW and +RW. I picked up a 30 stack of each while I was at Sams.

This particular concert that I was recording, is one that I will keep and it has no comercials, so no edits were required, this is why I decied to just use a cheaper -R disc.
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