Well my D1 from UBID arrived. Totaly used, I was shocked. I opened up the case and there were finger prints all over the front side circuit board(the one at the front of the player that would have the readout on the other side). It's like they were exposed by superglue vapor - white powered finger prints 10+ of them. It is stamped manufactured 30 July 2003. I thought maybe they've did the swap - NOPE. Bad capacitor still in and if that is not glue then it has leaked all over the board and adjoining capacitors. I did not fire it up first I am just going for it and am going to replace the cap, but being that old I bet it doesn't have the new firmware. If it fires up and works I am not going to bitch it's cosmetically in good but not excellent condition. Removing the leaked capacitor goo is my big concern now and of course will it fire up. If it doesn't fire up I'll put the old one back in and return it. But NEW on their website is a BOLDFACED LIE. Some may be NEW and some ARE USED you'll be at the whim of luck as to what you get. NEWEGG is the same way though not all units are new. Disappointed but if it fires up I'll learn how to make the upgrade CD and hope CAVU is right when he says once fixed their reliable. I've return enough stuff in my life that I'll be the one to eat this one as long as it functions. I did know what I was getting into and was informed that they probably were overruns, returns and soforth, I rolled the dice and had just hoped to get lucky, anyhow we'll see if I get it working, if I do then OK no big deal I have a D1 to go with my SP4805. btw it had the FUSS loader. Off to get me some solder braid instead of the sucker and eat lunch' I report back later. Comforted by all I have read on this site, fingers crossed hope is still alive.