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post #151 of 3302
is anybody noticing the grainy picture on this thing? i remember someone saying it was a bit grainy?
post #152 of 3302
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Originally Posted by mikej3131 View Post

So what do you use these settings for(HD Material, SD material, dvd movies????)

The settings apply mostly for DVD movies but these settings are close to ISF standard and PQ looks good on any source (HD material, SD material, and even video games). Try it and see what you think. For me it made a world of difference compared to watching this set straight out of the box with no fine tuning. Even some of the worst SD material looked better using these settings.
post #153 of 3302
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it made a world of difference compared to watching this set straight out of the box with no fine tuning.

There are a couple modes out of the box. which one were you refering to when you said "straight out of the box"?????

What is ISF standard?? i never heard of it b4?
post #154 of 3302
They are set to dynamic out of the box.
Choose the one that looks best to "you". It's very simple to use. (ie..the settings). And it's quite obvious what most of them do (as you can see the results of it as you tweak).

I've noticed "grainy" cable signals. But if you feed this set (*even the little cousin S41 model), a clean signal, it looks very good (even SD). Sometimes the cable "SD" signal is noisy. Sometimes not. It varies so much, it's really impossible to optimize for everything. Even within the same movie or source, or channel or etc...one bit might look really clean and great, and the next out of whack somehow_color shift, too dark, too light, etc. What I've resigned to do, is simply to set it so it looks good to me for "most" viewing that I do...and leave it alone. Sometimes things (SD cable) looks not so great. Sometimes it looks really good. Overall, I'm happy with it. Trying to adjust all that out is impossible_there are always going to be channels, etc..that don't look great, are too dark, have a color tint, etc. So, always do your "calibrating" for what you watch most (channels and or sources)...because you can't fix "everything".
post #155 of 3302
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I've noticed "grainy" cable signals. But if you feed this set (*even the little cousin S41 model), a clean signal, it looks very good (even SD).

What do you mean by this clean signal????/ do you mean hdmi connection?
post #156 of 3302
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Originally Posted by hi im drummer03 View Post

Ok here we go..
3252D:Has very nice black levels and overall picture.The blacks detailed were crushed a little.Overall black level is not as good as the XBR but kills the S2000 Sony.I thought the Sharp D40U was close to the Samsung.Sammy has one of the most intense colors ,closest to the XBR where the Sharp is more natural.
4052D:Same thing as the 3252D.
4692D:Awsome black levels.Clarity and image reality were nicely defined.Only problem i had was the screen looked grainy so you really need to sit back further than normal.

Are these observations after making adjustments or are were they on the defaults?
post #157 of 3302
Is the 3251 Gloss Black on the back of the TV and the base or just the bezel?
post #158 of 3302
I saw the 4092D at CC over the weekend and was very impressed. One question that I had for which I could not find an answer. We currently have a Sony 34XBR800 (tube TV). When we watch 4:3 sat material, we generally use the Wide Zoom mode. It fills the 16:9 screen by stretching the 4:3 image. There is virtually no distortion in the center portion of the screen, and it is more pronounced at the edges. This set does this stretching so smoothly, it is not noticeable for most programming. Can anyone tell me what stretch/zoom modes are available with the 4092D? Is there a mode that is similar to Sony's Wide Zoom?

Thanks.
post #159 of 3302
here is what th manuakl says:

16:9 mode - Sets the picture to 16:9 wide mode
( i am assuming this stretches 4:3 material)

zoom1 mode - vertically enlarged
(im assuming cuts of the edges and zooms in)

zoom2 mode - more vertically enlarged

4:3 mode - sets the picture to 4:3 normal mode


it also says :
in TV,Video,S-video, and all component(480i,480p) modes, all screen modes can be selected.
in TV(DTV),dvi,pc,hdmi,component(720p,1080i) modes, only 16:9 and 4:3 modes can be selected.



Is every tv like this with hdmi connections(that your not allowed to zoom?)
post #160 of 3302
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Originally Posted by mikej3131 View Post

here is what th manuakl says:

16:9 mode - Sets the picture to 16:9 wide mode
( i am assuming this stretches 4:3 material)

zoom1 mode - vertically enlarged
(im assuming cuts of the edges and zooms in)

zoom2 mode - more vertically enlarged

4:3 mode - sets the picture to 4:3 normal mode


it also says :
in TV,Video,S-video, and all component(480i,480p) modes, all screen modes can be selected.
in TV(DTV),dvi,pc,hdmi,component(720p,1080i) modes, only 16:9 and 4:3 modes can be selected.



Is every tv like this with hdmi connections(that your not allowed to zoom?)

Thanks Mike. Anyone know if either of the Zoom modes Mike describes has the lack of distortion I described in the middle of the picture like my Sony does?

The DVI on my Sony does not allow any zooming. It displays the picture in whatever mode it is sent to the display (1.33:1, 1.78:1, 2.35:1, etc.). You cannot adjust it with the zoom modes.
post #161 of 3302
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Originally Posted by QZ1 View Post

Is the 3251 Gloss Black on the back of the TV and the base or just the bezel?


The whole set is gloss black, even the stand.
post #162 of 3302
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Originally Posted by mikej3131 View Post

There are a couple modes out of the box. which one were you refering to when you said "straight out of the box"?????

What is ISF standard?? i never heard of it b4?

ISF - Image Science Foundation, did research to find a repeatable way to make TV pictures accurate. It's all based on standard's developed in the 1950's, and then defined in the 70's.

While the standard may seem dated, it still applies to modern HDTV's and deals with correctly setting all the parameters of your set, i.e. black levels, color, tint, etc.
post #163 of 3302
Is settings this tv to movie mode or standard mode turning off the dynamic contrast this tv uses?????//
post #164 of 3302
Anybody seen SD on the 92D models? I'm curious if it's acceptable (that's about as good as it gets with SD it seems).
post #165 of 3302
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Originally Posted by QZ1 View Post

Are these observations after making adjustments or are were they on the defaults?

This was compared to them all on defaults like they would be straight out the box..Im going to mess with the settings a little tomorrow and see whats up.
post #166 of 3302
Anyone know the difference between the 51D and 52 D LCD's.
post #167 of 3302
It's just the color of the bezel: the 51's is black, while the 52's is white and red.
post #168 of 3302
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Anyone know the difference between the 51D and 52 D LCD's.

Color
51D is black
52D is white

edit: you beat me before the screen refreshed.
post #169 of 3302
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Originally Posted by HistoneMaster View Post

Thanks robottic,
I know I've been asking this question a lot, but does this set have a QAM tuner? Does it list it in the specs found in the instructions? How about a slot on the back for a cable card?

Other then that, congratulations! I'm hoping to pick up the 4692 very soon, assuming I can get unencryped hd cable channels.

Doug

I don't know if it has a QAM tuner and it is not listed in the manual. I can tell you if I hook up cable straight into the TV (without the cable box) I only pick up standard cable channels (assuming I set it up right). There is no cablecard slot on this model. Best of luck.
post #170 of 3302
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Originally Posted by mikej3131 View Post

Hey Robotik, after adjusting, was the picture better than the three preset(dynamic, standard, movie) modes????/ and if so, what adjustments did you make???

What is your experience with SD cable and lcd's???? can you compare this Samsung to the XBR when watching SD????
Well as in how well, and what connection(hdmi, component etc.) are you using for Standard definition????

What did you set the backlight to for the best results????

I use the custom setting on the Ln-S4092D. I didn't like the presets that much, especially movie mode (too dark). Here is what settings I came up with just based on my eyes alone (no calibration disk just yet)

Contrast = 100
Brightness = 75 (you can go slightly lower than this but you may lose some dark detail)
Sharpness = 60
Color = 45
Tint = G55 R45 (not available with component sources)
Color Tone = Cool1
Digital Noise Reduction = On
Energy Saving = Medium or High (depending on the amount of light in the room). High will give you the blackest blacks. I use that at night when the lights are off.

As far as SD goes, all I can say is to me it looks acceptable to good on most channels, but I have no other experience with another TV to compare that with. I have not seen SD on the XBR.

For SD via regular analog cable the 4092D does a good job of reducing grain and noise. (And believe me, my analog signal is crap on my other TVs.) For digital cable I have the cable box set to 480P component output and the picture looks OK to good depending on the channel but slightly soft. The softness is probably due to the cable box I would guess because I do not see as soft a picture via analog cable without the box.
post #171 of 3302
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Originally Posted by RLReady View Post

Thanks Mike. Anyone know if either of the Zoom modes Mike describes has the lack of distortion I described in the middle of the picture like my Sony does?

The DVI on my Sony does not allow any zooming. It displays the picture in whatever mode it is sent to the display (1.33:1, 1.78:1, 2.35:1, etc.). You cannot adjust it with the zoom modes.

When using Zoom1 on 4:3 sources, you will not get stretching / distortion, but the picture does get cut off at the top and bottom. Zoom2 will do that more so.

Using 16:9 mode with 4:3 source will fill the screen but with stretching / distortion
post #172 of 3302
Really i thought..You guys shure..Cause i thought the 51D came in glossy white or black,and 52D was flat black with lower contrast and speaker on the side.
post #173 of 3302
In one of the Samsung DLP threads (either the 'R' or the '1080' thread) there was discussion regarding turning off that unwanted DNEi feature. The first finding only worked as long as the set wasn't turned off. Upon powering it back up DNEi was back on.
Later posts showed a way to disable it completely regardless of if the set was unplugged or not. Sorry I don't have a link for it.
post #174 of 3302
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Originally Posted by robottik View Post

I don't know if it has a QAM tuner and it is not listed in the manual. I can tell you if I hook up cable straight into the TV (without the cable box) I only pick up standard cable channels (assuming I set it up right). There is no cablecard slot on this model. Best of luck.

Thats a shame, is sad that they cut the feature from this model. I guess its back to the drawing board, maybe I'll try to pick up last years model at a discount.

Doug
post #175 of 3302
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For SD via regular analog cable the 4092D does a good job of reducing grain and noise.

Which cable(connection) did you use for this and what cable box?


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For digital cable I have the cable box set to 480P component output and the picture looks OK to good depending on the channel but slightly soft. The softness is probably due to the cable box I would guess because I do not see as soft a picture via analog cable without the box.

Did you try using hdmi for the digital channels???? it probly wont be as soft with hdmi.
post #176 of 3302
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Originally Posted by hi im drummer03 View Post

Really i thought..You guys shure..Cause i thought the 51D came in glossy white or black,and 52D was flat black with lower contrast and speaker on the side.

That's the 41D
post #177 of 3302
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Originally Posted by robottik View Post

I don't know if it has a QAM tuner and it is not listed in the manual. I can tell you if I hook up cable straight into the TV (without the cable box) I only pick up standard cable channels (assuming I set it up right). There is no cablecard slot on this model. Best of luck.

when you autotune the cable channel , doesn't it give you three choises , sonething like standard, and other two I forgot the name. I saw thsi in my 3251d. I presumed that the the others were meant for digital cable
post #178 of 3302
If you are talking about the cable/antenna connections then the three choices for autotune are air, cable and both. There is no QAM at least on the 32 inch models. I've been setting up my 3251D the last couple of days. I guess my biggest surprise so far was that after I attached a little 2-3 ft telescoping antenna to the air in and did autotune it found 17 channels! Ten were digital and 4 were HD. The analog stations viewed this way were crap, but all the digital ones were good. Maybe there is some sort of transmitter nearby.
post #179 of 3302
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http://donwiss.com/pictures/BrooklynStores/

Has anyone ordered anything from the Broolkyn Stores? They have some good deals on the 4692D. I am thinking about ordering one but I am not so sure if those stores are a good place to order it from. Any opinions?
post #180 of 3302
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Originally Posted by Damol1 View Post

http://donwiss.com/pictures/BrooklynStores/

Has anyone ordered anything from the Broolkyn Stores? They have some good deals on the 4692D. I am thinking about ordering one but I am not so sure if those stores are a good place to order it from. Any opinions?

I can tell you that some there are not good. It's pretty easy to research merchants - lots of sources online and especially look at the BBB website. Don't look at number of stars, etc. but rather read the negative comments and try to see a common theme.

Also, Vanns is good and tend to have decent prices (though not the lowest usually).
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