The "Official" Denon AVR-4306 Thread - Page 20

What did Denon say?

LFE or LFE + Main? what is the difference?

also if I am using 7.1 and won't be bi-amping, what do i leave the bi-amping setting on? does it matter? it's on S. Back by default...

Hi all!

Hoping to get a little feedback on the AVR-4306 ... I brought home a Yamaha RX-V2700 on Friday and have been disappointed by several things about it and have pretty much decided to return it and get something else, from what I've seen the Denon looks like it might be a better fit for me anyway.

The one issue with the Yamaha that just kind of drove me over the edge was that after all the talk about HDMI upconversion, and it's capability to take any input and convert it to a single HDMI out (a feature a GREATLY desire BTW) ... The unit can't display it's OWN On Screen Display overlays when you're running any video source higher than 480i reolution. From what I've read in the Denon's manual, it seems that the 4306 will in fact do this, but I just want to see if anyone can verify that when playing a TRUE HiDef source (I'm running 1080i) that the receiver's onscreen info displays on top of the image (volume bar, selected input, selected DSP, speaker settings etc...)

I know it seems silly, and seems like a minor issue, but due to the way I have my components set up I can't see the stereo face from the viewing position, and it was driving us up a wall without the onscreen feedback.

I will also need the ability to assign separate video and audio input to a single input device ... Due to an issue with my Satellite Receiver (Dish Vip 622) I have to run video through HDMI and audio through optical. For whatever reason the Vip 622 won't pass 5.1 audio through it's HDMI port.

My entire reason for doing this upgrade is to streamline and simplify ... Putting all of my video sources through a single HDMI cable to the monitor is important. So, any comments on how well the Denon does this would be appreciated. The video inputs I'm currently running are HDMI from Satellite, Component from DVD(progressive), Component from Xbox360 and a single S-video from an older game system (that will likely be gone before long anyway).

And I'm going to assume that any modern AV Receiver in this price range is going to be able to support at minimum a 5.1 ch speaker setup and be able to control, equalize and precisely balance each speaker (including the subwoofer) for optimal sound ... I notice this system comes with a microphone attachment for setting up the speakers (similar to what yamaha has) does this work as advertised?

OK, that's enough ... thanks in advance for any comments and answers .... I'm going to continue to dig back through this thread and the 4306 manual.

BW

Can anyone confirm if the 4306 OSD is limited to 480i?

My Panasonic ax100 will only take 480p or higher on the HDMI input.
(480i only works on component inputs)

I was looking at the 2307ci, but I dont mind upgrading since I'm looking at better speakers now anyway.

Hi,


I have two HDMI 1080i sources and have played with the settings but have yet to see anything overlayed on the video.


My HR10-250 has the same problem passing 5.1 over HDMI so I use an optical cable and assign it to the HDMI input.

I'm no audiophile but I used the automated setup on my system and it seems to work fine. You can also manually adjust pretty much everything.

Harry

I just got bck from my local high end retailer. He told me that the HDMI handshake between my HR 10 250 HiDef TiVo and the 4306 is unreliable at best, and that he doesn't recommend that set up.

First, is this true?

Second, what happens if I connect the sat box to the 4306 thru the componet connection? Will the 4306 convert and pass the 480i/1080i digital output through the HDMI ports?

Can it up rez the 480i input without causing a problem with the 1080i signal?

I want to connect a new up-rezing DVD player by HDMI to the 4306, switching both thru to my 50" plasma. Denon Link would be nice, too.

I am looking for one wire to the plasma.

Is this the right AVR for me? I thought so this morning, but now?

The rep was less than clear.....thanks in advance!

Mike

So, I downloaded the manual from the Denon site, and I have answered at least part of my question. The 4306 will convert the component signals from my HD TiVo to HDMI. So the deal is back on, despite the sales guy's lack of expertise.

But I am still interested in the "handshake" question. I am not interested in passing audio thru HDMI, just video. Is this a problem?

Groovit........ It is not Scary-Harry........ it is Denon, although they will not admit it.

I purchased the Denon 2807 which had at the time the very latest HDMI chips and firmware and according to Denon was identical to the HDMI firmware in the 4306. I could get great video, but NO Audio whatsoever over HDMI from my HD-Tivo through the Denon. I spoke at length to "many" service and tech people at Denon that swore it was not their product... I harassed DTV into providing me 5 brand new HD-Tivo's... and not one of them would pass sound over HDMI.

I took my "new" Denon back to the retailer and traded it in on the Pioneer Elite 84TXsi and my HD-Tivo instantly provided beautiful pictures AND sound via the HDMI cable.... so trust my many weeks of complaining and hair-pulling... it is Denon's problem not Tivo.

That is not to say the Elite 84 is perfect it has it's own HDMI warts...

Is the 2nd component video output assignable, like a zone 2 video type thing? I have a projector and an LCD panel display in my setup and I'd like to be able to select which video input goes to which video output. I'm using a Video Storm CSM42 to matrix the video now, but was wondering if this receiver would do the same thing?

Hello all!

I just installed the 4306 and hooked up all the cables. I'm gonna use a 5.1 setup.
When I try to run the autosetup it goes around every speaker with the test sound. When it's finished I get an error saying there are no surround left and right installed. That's right because I don't have those speaker because I'm using an 5.1 setup.

How can I "tell" the 4306 I won't use those speaker so I can continue the autosetup?

Thanks in advance!

I haven't noticed any handshake problems. I turn everything on and it works. HR10-250 -> AVR-4306 -> PDP via HDMI. As noted above audio is over optical cable.

All this time I have been thinking it was a problem with the HR10-250. Before I bought the 4306 I had the HD-Tivo hooked directly to the PDP and it would loose sound on any 5.1 channels if the tivo was set to output it. I don't know what my display with only two speakers would would do with a 5.1 audio input anyway.

Huh? A 5.1 setup includes a SL and SR speaker. The 5.1 speakers are L, R, C, SR, SL, and subwoofer.

Do you have your surround speakers hooked up to the surround back channel outputs instead of the surround L&R outputs? If so you need to move them over to the surround left and right outputs. The back channel outputs are only used for a 7.1 setup, and not a 5.1 setup. And if they are hooked up to the surround backs instead of the surround L&R, that would also be why it is telling you there are no surround L&R speakers when it runs the test.

If you had your Tivo hooked directly to your TV, then you should have turned off DD in the setup/sound menu.... as TV's of course cannot do DD.

However, if Denon had properly coded their HDMI implementation you would receive audio over the HDMI cable. The fact that you are not, as I mentioned is not anything wrong with your Tivo, the problem belongs in Denon's court.

After trying 5 HD-Tivo unsucessfully with the Denon and having 3 of them (sent the others back) work perfectly with the Pioneer, I have concluded to MY satisfaction where the problem lies!

Ive had no problem with handshake with the h10-250 but never could get audio over HDMI. By the way I have the Tivo hooked to the 4306 with 3ft monoprice HDMI cable and from the 4306 have a 35ft HDMI going to ae900. Can anyone tell me what setting I have to set to get my back speakers to work with 5.1? I know there is a way to do it Im just having a brain fart.

I have a 3806. However, I have quite a few music on my computer I'd like to play. Currently, I'm using a mini stereo to RCA cable to connect my PC sound card to the receiver. The sound quality isn't that great. There's also a background hum. I'm thinking about returning it for the 4306. Is there a significant sound quality advantage using ethernet?

I think it sounds good, It really depends on how the mp3 or whatever you are listening to sounds good, garbage in garbage out.

Ok, a while back I asked abuot possible HDMI-out issues with my 4306 and my Toshiba 51H83.

I have progress -

I am able to hook up my DirecTV HR20 HDMI out - Denon 4306 HDMI in - 4306 HDMI out - Toshiba DVI-HDCP in and get a picture to come up.

The problem is when I goto a component source, I get a black screen. Is there anything special that I am missing? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys!

I'm thinking about returning my 2807 for a 4306. Is it worth the extra cost?

I've listed my setup and thoughts in this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...49#post8815149

I figured I'd post in this one since a majority of posters in this thread own the 4306 and might have gone through a similar situation as me. Thanks!

I've really wanted to pickup one of these, but want it in silver since the rest of my components are silver (Denon AVR-4306S). Denon's website (which is never up-to-date) indicates that it is still available in silver. I contacted Crutchfield by e-mail and they state that it's discontinued in silver but still available in black. An internet search also comes up essentially empty when searching for an available new unit in silver.

Does anyone know if it will be available again in silver or has Denon really d/c'd the AVR-4306S? I'm wondering if they are coming out with a new modified 4306 or something like that and that's why the supply is low; apparently (at least according to Crutchfield) even the black ones are becoming hard to come by (surprising since this is one of their newest units).

-dachoge (john)

Thanks for your input. But, I was hoping someone who has used mini to RCA vs ethernet could provide feedback on which they think sounds better. This is because the garbage in-out theory applies to both.

Hopefully they're coming out with a 4307S or 4308S with HDMI 1.3...

Talking to the product manager for the Australian distributor, he indicated that he knows of no plans to update the product until next year.

I would like a firmware update to enable FLAC playback and give it a GUI similar to Yamaha's RXV 2600/ 2700 and I would be happy.

Have you set the menu option to convert to HDMI for all inputs?
HDMI Out Setup - Analog to HDMI convert - ON under the video setup menu.

I enabled that, Tried it with 1080i and Through conversion, YPrPb.

Anything else I am missing?

John:

If you aren't afraid of B-Stock -- factory authorized with a one year Denon warranty -- you can get your 4306S at a good price. I have had good experience dealing with these guys.

http://dakmart.com/itemdetails/31082/173/

I know it is apples to oranges, but I was warned of the same thing when I got my HR20 (as you may know, that has been buggier than the H10). Believe it or not, the opposite seems to be true. I've experienced none of the problems that seem to be plagueing the hr20 with direct hdmi connections to the tv (I have HDMI in both links).

I am going to try it when I pull the trigger on the 4306; I can always go back to component!

I did connect the speaker on the surround back channel. So now I connected the speakers on surround A, the autosetup goes well but in de autosetup the image show those speakers are located on the side instead of the back?

If I connect the speaker on surround B I get an error during the autosetup there are no surround A speakers?

This is confusing to me. Do I have to connect the speaker to surround A and change some settings?


Please help!