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post #31 of 380
I guess I have to wonder what would be so hard in such a cable, obviously the D-A conversion is a biggie, and for the HDCP part, it's just some kind of handshake with the sending device, what keeps a receiver from sending that handshake anyway, I guess the legality would be questionable but technically it seems easily doable.
post #32 of 380
If someone has invented the black box to convert HDMI to component, I may have to buy one as my now ancient (5 year) Mits set only supports component in. Church Guy is right that HDCP will be the big bugaboo.
post #33 of 380
Me too, my oldest HDTV (Zenith 52" 720x1280 LCD projection) does not support HDMI.
post #34 of 380
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Originally Posted by sunnycrest View Post

If someone has invented the black box to convert HDMI to component, I may have to buy one as my now ancient (5 year) Mits set only supports component in.

A lot of people are in the same situation as you, with an HD television that only accepts component inputs (built prior to the finalization of HDMI) and all new equipment having HDMI outputs. That is one reason I believe such a converter exists. There IS a market for it. A market composed of people who were lied to when they were assured that component inputs would always be available.
post #35 of 380
Yes, I believe something will have to be done to address the problem. It's not acceptable to tell us all to buy new HDTVs!
post #36 of 380
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Church AV Guy View Post

A lot of people are in the same situation as you, with an HD television that only accepts component inputs (built prior to the finalization of HDMI) and all new equipment having HDMI outputs. That is one reason I believe such a converter exists. There IS a market for it. A market composed of people who were lied to when they were assured that component inputs would always be available.

I don't know that people were lied to. Component will still available for HDTV, and it will be available for HD-DVD and BluRay Disk. It's just not available for any sort of upconversion of 480i.

Keep things in perspective. The only thing you are missing here is the DVD player upconverting to 720p/1080i. The source is still 480i and the value of an upconverting DVD player is debatable.
post #37 of 380
I heard it was worse than that. The new HD players allegedly will only output the HD signal over HDMI, although it is appraently up to the particular disc what outputs it will send the HD signal to. The rest will be downconverted (for example, HDMI will have the HD signal, Component Video will have it in 480i or 480p at most). Although there has been some retreat along that front, I heard some studios will offer discs where the HD signal is sent to the analog outputs, to increase the sales of such discs. I think the situation is still in a state of flux.
post #38 of 380
Okay so it's a year and a half old, but here's some information about all HD DVD players being HDMI only: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...s-11-2004.html
post #39 of 380
Okay, maybe the use of the word 'LIED was a little harsh, but I have friends who were assured that component inputs would not become obsolete. Now, the studios are trying to make sure that all high def is HDMI only because the digital signal is much easier to protect, so they are making sure all analog outputs can do no better then 480i, or 480p. You might argue the sales people were mistaken, that they weren't lying to their customers, but were just wrong about the future. The cynic in me prefers to believe that they would have said anything to make that sale.
post #40 of 380
Hi Renlopez,
I am new to this forum and just saw the Panasonic ES45VS myself at Costco today and looked for reviews of it and found this....
I have looked for a while in the market for a combo and almost bought a Sony 515 until I started reading negative reviews on CNet the same for ES40......
I have seen a lot of issues of macines locking up etc

Not sure how much you tried yours yet, but I have a few questions you may be abl4e to answer:

1) I have a Dish network DVR 522 and frequently save shows to the harddrive, can the ES45VS be hooked up the dish dvr and easily record saved tv shows?

2) Picture quality is of high prioruty to me and from reading diff reviews Panasonic seems to be in top in the area.... I will probably use XP and maybe sometimes SP quality to get the BEST...I have heard in general that DVD recorders have problems with jitters / unsharp contours in picture when recording fast moving images...e.g. car racing (one of my favorite recording object), do you have any trials / results of these kind of recordings?

3) Any recording quality reviews in general?

4) I would like to have a possibillity to get true 5.1 DTS Surround sound at least in playback mode of movies.....the box stated DTS 2.0......do you know what the actual capabilties are?

5) Do you know if the unit can record on DUAL layer discs, - or + format dual layer?

6) I assume the VCR dubbing will not record from copy right VHS tapes? To bad since I have quite a few old ones I'd like to get to DVD....I have seen a digital "enhancer" device in the market that will take away the copyright signal - but I am not sure how good quality picture it privides....and you may have to have a separate VCR for that so you can install the "enhancer" between VCR and DVD recorder....if so I guess I could use my old VCR and hook it up to the ES45 unit?
Have you tried of of this?

Greatful for ideas / replies even if you don't have answers to all of my questions
Thanks!
post #41 of 380
Long time lurker, first time poster.

Just set up our first plasma, Panasonic TH-42px60U. (awesome even on an old coax with terrible 480i analog cable input)
Trying to set up our new recorder, Panasonic DMR-ES45VS.
Basic set up complete using a/v cables supplied with recorder.
Bought some component cables. Tried to set them up instead of S-Video (component is better than S-Video??) don't want to use HDMI because of limitations on recording subjects and lack of CC (and we don't have digital upgrade to our cable, yet).
The diagram in the manual for the recorder (on page 16) does not jive with the diagram for the plasma (page 33) using component cables. Do the component cables go from the recorder into the Component 1 input of the plasma, or the "Prog Out" connections of the plasma, and do I need audio cables in addition to the A/V cables and component cables, and why doesn't Panasonic online show a nice diagram connecting two of their newest and best products?

Also tried to set up the ES45VS, but crashed it while trying to automatically set the clock -- not doing too well.

I am very hopeful all this will work.
post #42 of 380
The Component Output of the DVD Recorder will need to go to a Component Input of the display. "Prog Out" on the display doesn't sound like a Component Input. Yes you will also need audio cables (white/red) along with the three Component Video cables (green/blue/red).
post #43 of 380
So, nothing in Prog Out on the plasma.

Will this change if we upgrade to digital cable?
post #44 of 380
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by view2Q View Post

1) I have a Dish network DVR 522 and frequently save shows to the harddrive, can the ES45VS be hooked up the dish dvr and easily record saved tv shows?

I have a DirectTivo, and it is very easy to hook up. I run my cables through a switching AV receiver so my setup may be different then yours.
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Originally Posted by view2Q View Post

2) Picture quality is of high prioruty to me and from reading diff reviews Panasonic seems to be in top in the area.... I will probably use XP and maybe sometimes SP quality to get the BEST...I have heard in general that DVD recorders have problems with jitters / unsharp contours in picture when recording fast moving images...e.g. car racing (one of my favorite recording object), do you have any trials / results of these kind of recordings?

I haven't tried any sports or fast moving images so I don't know about the jitters. From what I have recorded, I haven't seen any of it.
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Originally Posted by view2Q View Post

3) Any recording quality reviews in general?

This is a really good product for Dubbing old VHS to DVD. You won't get any better PQ in this arena.
I have been mainly recording my MiniDV tapes via Firewire/DV Input. I use flexible recording mode at 63 minutes. I can't tell the difference between SP and XP mode as far as PQ. However, it may be due to the limitations of my 27" trinitron TV. You might be able to tell the difference in XP/SP on an HDTV.
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4) I would like to have a possibillity to get true 5.1 DTS Surround sound at least in playback mode of movies.....the box stated DTS 2.0......do you know what the actual capabilties are?

Don't know.
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Originally Posted by view2Q View Post

5) Do you know if the unit can record on DUAL layer discs, - or + format dual layer?

Specs say YES on both +R(DL) and -R(DL). I haven't used either.
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Originally Posted by view2Q View Post

6) I assume the VCR dubbing will not record from copy right VHS tapes? To bad since I have quite a few old ones I'd like to get to DVD....I have seen a digital "enhancer" device in the market that will take away the copyright signal - but I am not sure how good quality picture it privides....and you may have to have a separate VCR for that so you can install the "enhancer" between VCR and DVD recorder....if so I guess I could use my old VCR and hook it up to the ES45 unit?
Have you tried of of this?

I Haven't tried this.
post #45 of 380
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Church AV Guy View Post

Okay, maybe the use of the word 'LIED was a little harsh, but I have friends who were assured that component inputs would not become obsolete. Now, the studios are trying to make sure that all high def is HDMI only because the digital signal is much easier to protect, so they are making sure all analog outputs can do no better then 480i, or 480p. You might argue the sales people were mistaken, that they weren't lying to their customers, but were just wrong about the future. The cynic in me prefers to believe that they would have said anything to make that sale.

I stand corrected. The Toshiba HD-A1 will only ouput HD via HDMI, and only 480p via component.

OK, maybe those who have non-HDMI/DVI only HDTV's will not be able to view HD-DVD's/Blu-Ray.

But how old do TV's have to be to not have a DVI or HDMI connection? At least, HD Receivers still output HD via component.
post #46 of 380
Thanks for your reply to my questions
post #47 of 380
I also got the DMR-ES45V. It's my first recorder and I found this one to have everything I needed. The HDMI feature caught my attention and thought I might be able to make it work with my old HDTV but I found out it not possible at this time.
For all those in the Thread that were wondering about using connectors to change from HDMI to Component, IT DON"T WORK.
I did buy the connectors to convert from HDMI to DVI to VGA and Component.
My Pioneer Elite HDTV accepts VGA and COMPONENT so I tried to convert the HDMI signal, but knowing little about the conversion process, I went ahead and tried to satisfy my curiosity. My next idea would be to buy a new receiver with HDMI inputs so that I may use the Component outputs of the receiver to connect to my old HDTV.
Anybody out there have any suggestions about this idea? would it work?
Hopefully they'll be something in the future that would do this conversion.
post #48 of 380
I bought a ES45VS last week. The Operating instructions and hook up left a lot to be desired.

My setup is:
1. 56 inch JVC HDTV 720p
2. Comcast HDTV with the Motorola DCT 6412 III DVR

The quick setup guide didn't show any sample of how to hook up the recorder and an HDTV setup with a cable box.

The operations manual only showed the HDMI cable going from the recorder to the HDMI IN on the TV.

The HDMI connection on the Comcast Motorola DCT 6412 III DVR is not used - the JVC TV only has one HDMI input and the ES45VS needs to use that input.

I needed to connect the component video from the DVR to the Component Video input on the JVC, and also run audio from the DVR to the JVC TV. This was the only way that I could get HDTV to work from the DVR. Before I had the HDMI cable going from the DVR to the TV - now using the recorder I have Component Video going from the DVR to the TV, and their seems to be a slight difference in quality - not much but I did notice it. I might experiment with a signal amplifier that I received from comcast which I didn't need at the time, but maybe I need it now, it might improve the picture quality.

I also hooked up RF OUT on the DVR to the RF IN on the ES45VS and the RF OUT on the ES45VS to RF IN to the JVC TV.

Then I hooked the HDMI cable going from the recorder to the JVC TV.

I spent a lot of time trying to configure this - and get everything working.
Everything seems to work now. I'm sure this is a snap and obvious how to
hook things up for some people - but I don't do this for a living, and I just wanted it to work. Their might be a better way - but I didn't see it, and the manual didn't show it.

The main reason I bought this unit is to free up harddisk space on the DVR, since my wife has figured out how to use the DVR and is getting ready to start deleting my programs - to make room for hers. I have recorded about 6 programs (Billiard matches ESPN) to a DVD-R disk from the DVR and finalized the disk, and then verified the DVD would play on my computer.
I question the quality of the DVD-R by memorex. The first disk I tried to record, I think I made a coaster. The second worked, the third, fourth, and fifth Memorex
DVD-R the unit wouldn't recognize the disks to record more programs.
I wiped off one of the disks because I had a hard time believing they were all bad,
and then it started recording. These are brand new - out of box disks, I would'nt think I would need to wipe them off before recording to them.

Recording to a DVD is new for me - so I still have a lot to learn.
The up conversion seems to work ok on the unit. I'm planning on recording one of the HD programs that I have saved on the DVR to DVD - I expect it will not be as nice but it should be ok. I hoping this is going to be a poor man's version of an HD recorder. Since I doubt I will buy Blue ray or what ever format they decide on - for another 5 years - when I might be able to afford it.
diff_pair
post #49 of 380
An HDMI switch would help with your connection, granted they are not cheap, but both your STB/DVR and your new DVD Recorder could both feed into it, and it could output to your display.

This one has 3 inputs and one output:

http://www.kvmgalore.com/shopping/pr...oducts_id=1852
post #50 of 380
Couple more things -

I didn't receive a HDMI cable with the ES45VS, and it is made in Malaysia.

I bought the unit for $299 at Ultimate Electronics (formerly Sound Track)
I also bought a 5 year home DVD repair plan for $100 bucks, and you better
believe the repair plan is going to get used because I haven't had a DVD player
last over a year, and VCR's over two years (then again they were the cheapest units I could find) So a combination unit I'm thinking I will be lucky if it goes a year without breaking. But I bought an insurance program to protect my investment.

diff_pair
post #51 of 380
Hi bobkart,

The HDMI switcher does look like a great solution for more HDMI inputs, but at this point I will wait until the price comes down, at $270 it isn't practical. Also if the signal is the problem (this is a real minor difference in the HDTV quality) and needs boosting and I already have the amplifier - this would be the best solution.
These switches are going to come down in price in the next couple years.
Is anyone using this HDMI Switcher on this forum?

diff_pair
post #52 of 380
After lurking for the past few months, I began building my HT set up with the ES45VS this week. I still have my 20in CRT from 1990! but my DVD player died and I am waiting to see what happens with the Sony X series LCDs this summer before buying a new display

Set up was in line with any machine of this sort. The manual is pretty complex with all of the variations of disk operations depending on media.
post #53 of 380
Anybody here know a work around on how to hook up the DMR-ES45V HDMI output to a HDTV that only has Component and VGA connections?

Would hooking up the HDMI output of the ES45V to a receiver with HDMI input and then using the component output of the receiver to my TV work?
post #54 of 380
Do you know of such a receiver? I'll take one too!

My first HDTV (52" Zenith LCD Projection, 720x1280) has no HDMI input. So I'm trying to figure out how I'll be able to watch HD-DVD and/or Blu-Ray discs on it. At first I thought the HDMI-to-Component converters were not going to be available (it defeats the HDCP part of HDMI), then someone around here gave a link to a page with exactly those converters, and for not very much money at all either, $30 or so, but most recently someone else around here has said those converters do not work (emphatically). So i have no idea although I suspect it will be a problem, the question is if someone will come up with a solution.
post #55 of 380
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by diff_pair View Post

My setup is:
1. 56 inch JVC HDTV 720p
2. Comcast HDTV with the Motorola DCT 6412 III DVR

The quick setup guide didn't show any sample of how to hook up the recorder and an HDTV setup with a cable box.

Looks like the way you have this setup will work. Instead of using the RF in from DVR to the ES45V, I would replace this with S-video. You can remove the RF-out from ES45 to JVC as you probably won't use it.

In summary my recommendation is:

ES45--> HDMI--> JVC
DVR --> Componenet --> JVC
DVR --> S-Video --> ES45

I would add an AV Reciver. Besides the improved sound quality, It will make it easier to record from other sources besides your DVR. If all you are interested in is to record from DVR to DVD, then you probably don't need the receiver.
post #56 of 380
I visited Costco and just purchased the Panasonic DMRES46 for $289.99. How does the '46' compare to the '45'? The box describes it as having the HD output, a DVD-RAM disk, card reader and reads/writes double layer DVDs.

Thanks!
Jim
post #57 of 380
Hi- I have a DMR-ES40V which I'm ready to throw out the window. While it works great with DVD-ROM discs, it's a total crapshoot with DVD-R media (and I've tried several brands). The main issue I have after a log recording session (either VHS dubbing, or DV recording) is that the unit "locks up" when writing the information to the disc and/or finalizing. From what I've read elsewhere, tons of other people have this issue, and there's no resolution (and Panasonic seems clueless).

This is a TOTALLY annoying problem, since you end up losing 1-2 hours of time *and* a DVD-R disc.

SO.... that said-- what are all your experiences with the ES45? Is it better in this regard? Has anyone tried creating a bunch of DVD-R's yet? Any coasters, lock-ups?
post #58 of 380
Specifically what brands of media have you been using?
post #59 of 380
Quote:
Originally Posted by view2Q View Post

Hi Renlopez,
I am new to this forum and just saw the Panasonic ES45VS myself at Costco today and looked for reviews of it and found this....
I have looked for a while in the market for a combo and almost bought a Sony 515 until I started reading negative reviews on CNet the same for ES40......
I have seen a lot of issues of macines locking up etc

Not sure how much you tried yours yet, but I have a few questions you may be abl4e to answer:

1) I have a Dish network DVR 522 and frequently save shows to the harddrive, can the ES45VS be hooked up the dish dvr and easily record saved tv shows?

2) Picture quality is of high prioruty to me and from reading diff reviews Panasonic seems to be in top in the area.... I will probably use XP and maybe sometimes SP quality to get the BEST...I have heard in general that DVD recorders have problems with jitters / unsharp contours in picture when recording fast moving images...e.g. car racing (one of my favorite recording object), do you have any trials / results of these kind of recordings?

3) Any recording quality reviews in general?

4) I would like to have a possibillity to get true 5.1 DTS Surround sound at least in playback mode of movies.....the box stated DTS 2.0......do you know what the actual capabilties are?

5) Do you know if the unit can record on DUAL layer discs, - or + format dual layer?

6) I assume the VCR dubbing will not record from copy right VHS tapes? To bad since I have quite a few old ones I'd like to get to DVD....I have seen a digital "enhancer" device in the market that will take away the copyright signal - but I am not sure how good quality picture it privides....and you may have to have a separate VCR for that so you can install the "enhancer" between VCR and DVD recorder....if so I guess I could use my old VCR and hook it up to the ES45 unit?
Have you tried of of this?

Greatful for ideas / replies even if you don't have answers to all of my questions
Thanks!

Regarding the DMR-ES45,
1) It has component video output as well as HDMI and S-Video.
2) It does burn both DVD+-R DL although it is not continuous. You must close one layer before it will begin burning another. Kind of defeats the whole purpose!
3) The upconversion works for both DVD and VHS although I think it is over-rated in this machine.
4) The VHS side is very, very sensitive to tracking error and frequently has trouble with even high quality pre-recorded videos.
Hope this helps! Steve
post #60 of 380
Sorry, I missed a few of your questions.
1) I have a Dish network DVR 522 and frequently save shows to the harddrive, can the ES45VS be hooked up the dish dvr and easily record saved tv shows?
- Yes, although it will only take the S-Video input. There is not HDMI or component input.

2) Picture quality is of high prioruty to me and from reading diff reviews Panasonic seems to be in top in the area.... I will probably use XP and maybe sometimes SP quality to get the BEST...I have heard in general that DVD recorders have problems with jitters / unsharp contours in picture when recording fast moving images...e.g. car racing (one of my favorite recording object), do you have any trials / results of these kind of recordings?
- Absolutely beautiful picture, no artifacts.

3) Any recording quality reviews in general?
- Looks better than my old Sony but it is still not as good as a your 522 source.

4) I would like to have a possibillity to get true 5.1 DTS Surround sound at least in playback mode of movies.....the box stated DTS 2.0......do you know what the actual capabilties are?
- Yes, it is true 5.1 DTS and has both optical and coax outputs

5) Do you know if the unit can record on DUAL layer discs, - or + format dual layer?
- already answered - not continuous but it will burn them (both types of L)

6) I assume the VCR dubbing will not record from copy right VHS tapes? To bad since I have quite a few old ones I'd like to get to DVD....I have seen a digital "enhancer" device in the market that will take away the copyright signal - but I am not sure how good quality picture it privides....and you may have to have a separate VCR for that so you can install the "enhancer" between VCR and DVD recorder....if so I guess I could use my old VCR and hook it up to the ES45 unit?
- If your old tapes have Macrovision or other copy guard, you will need a stabilizer. You can in fact record on one set of media while playing the other but good luck monitoring it - you will have to monitor off of the composite while you output off of the DVD primary.
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