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post #10261 of 21315
11/14/06 at 11:05am
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Originally Posted by LONGBUCKS View Post

Eliab do you ever make it to the Cincinnati, OH area? After I get my noise issue straightened out, I think I am in the need of professional help. The DVE actually overwhelmed me a bit, and I feel like I ended up guessing at the end values. Plus if the display can look any better than it already does..wow. My noise issue is as follows. I am on my second light engine (the first was replaced due to fan/color wheel noise).....and I still hear what I consider a lot of noise. Does anyone else think these sets produce a lot of fan/color wheel noise? What is the acceptable amount of noise from the sets? I have asked similar noise questions before, just looking for as many responses I can get to make sure I am not going mad. I just bought a few room treatments to try to cut down on the noise, they seemed to help some, but still hear noise at low volume levels. I was considering have a tech come out again or trying to exchange the set, but if this noise is normal, I will just have to learn to live with it.


I cannot make out any noise even with the vol turned all the way down.....but than my set 5688 is only a few days old!
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post #10262 of 21315
11/14/06 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by Eliab View Post

DNIe (floating black, excessive edge enhancement, horizontal banding) will occasional toggle itself back on - even if the user menu says it's off! We have found this to be the case when powering the set on, switching inputs, and/or scan rates. The easiest way to tell would be if the picture lacks any type of shadow detail. For a more precise analysis, one can toggle between the Low APL and High APL PLUGE patterns on DVE (T.12, CH.2-3). If the vertical strips cannot be seen - chances are that DNIe has turned itself back on.

We suggest the following procedure to ensure that it remains off for critical viewing. This should be done after you settle down to whatever it is you will be viewing (after switching inputs, channels, etc.).

1. Go to the user-menu of your display and toggle DNIe back off whether or not it is in the on or off position.
2. Then, enter the picture menu and bring brightness up one click from where you had it and then back down to its original position.

Eliab

This is a huge bummer. Does your LED set do this, too?

- Collin
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post #10263 of 21315
11/14/06 at 2:10pm
I read on Cnet that this set does not accurately resolve ALL (most, but not all) of the lines of a 1080p source...Can anybody verify this?
Also, the editor also stated that he could not tell the difference of the same movie viewed in 1080i and 1080p on this set...is this true?


Thanks in advance ^^
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post #10264 of 21315
11/14/06 at 3:22pm
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Originally Posted by sittingducks View Post

I read on Cnet that this set does not accurately resolve ALL (most, but not all) of the lines of a 1080p source...Can anybody verify this?
Also, the editor also stated that he could not tell the difference of the same movie viewed in 1080i and 1080p on this set...is this true?


Thanks in advance ^^

What CNet has to say is probalby not relevent. They do not have a reputation for quality reviews.

You're welcome in advance.
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post #10265 of 21315
11/14/06 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by bbexperience View Post

Unless you have the HD-DVD add-on this is not correct. The 360 will output 1080p over component for any non HD-DVD content played on it.

Yup, that is what I was going to say as well.

But as for the VGA and not filling the screen, I have seen (forget where) in many areas that this IS INDEED a none issue and can be corrected.

I will not have my set till Friday, so till then .... can't really give any HANDS ON advice.
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post #10266 of 21315
11/14/06 at 4:34pm
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Originally Posted by Eliab View Post

"Fanatic" has a negative conotation. Let's say videophile instead.

So sorry, I did mean to word it in a positive way.

I see that after removing a side access panel that the internals of a HLS5087 are black.
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post #10267 of 21315
11/14/06 at 4:47pm
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Originally Posted by Battle View Post

I think the post is trying to say is if you sit far enough away from the set then your eye will not be able to tell a difference between 720p/1080p. The closer you sit/stand to the display the more your eye will be able to differentiate between the resolutions. I have no idea if there is some formula and I'm sure each person has a difererent visual acuity.

BTW, if you wanted to save a few bucks you wouldn't have bought those HDMI cables and bought from one of the forum sponsers.

That is one problem with being so new to not only these types of tv's but this forum as well and not knowing what all is available. Care to enlighten me in regards to purchasing cables from here?

I understand about the viewing distance just as long as there is not some magic going on that my 56" can't pick up but the 61" can. I know the viewing would be a slight bit better but the $300 difference was hard to get past for me.
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post #10268 of 21315
11/14/06 at 5:11pm
Anyone using CableCard here?

I've been having problems with it. The channel information no longer shows up, as well as the volume bars or the TV guide.

Tried calling Samsung, they just advised on getting another card in there. I don't really want to pay Comcast to come out and install another one.

Any fixes?
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post #10269 of 21315
11/14/06 at 5:19pm
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Originally Posted by Dropitnjax View Post

That is one problem with being so new to not only these types of tv's but this forum as well and not knowing what all is available. Care to enlighten me in regards to purchasing cables from here?

Check the ads at the top of every page. One of them is www.monoprice.com which like all the others is an AVS forum sponsor, and also has very good products at very good prices.
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post #10270 of 21315
11/14/06 at 5:21pm
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Check the ads at the top of every page. One of them is www.monoprice.com which like all the others is an AVS forum sponsor and also have very good products at very good prices.

Thank you very much. That site is awesome. I went ahead purchased the HDMI cable from there and will just return the MC to get my money back from BB. Thanks again.
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post #10271 of 21315
11/14/06 at 5:24pm
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Originally Posted by kidkoala View Post

Tried calling Samsung, they just advised on getting another card in there. I don't really want to pay Comcast to come out and install another one.

Does Comcast in you area charge for replacing defective equipment?
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post #10272 of 21315
11/14/06 at 5:27pm
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Originally Posted by LONGBUCKS View Post

Eliab do you ever make it to the Cincinnati, OH area? After I get my noise issue straightened out, I think I am in the need of professional help. The DVE actually overwhelmed me a bit, and I feel like I ended up guessing at the end values. Plus if the display can look any better than it already does..wow. My noise issue is as follows. I am on my second light engine (the first was replaced due to fan/color wheel noise).....and I still hear what I consider a lot of noise. Does anyone else think these sets produce a lot of fan/color wheel noise? What is the acceptable amount of noise from the sets? I have asked similar noise questions before, just looking for as many responses I can get to make sure I am not going mad. I just bought a few room treatments to try to cut down on the noise, they seemed to help some, but still hear noise at low volume levels. I was considering have a tech come out again or trying to exchange the set, but if this noise is normal, I will just have to learn to live with it.

I'm on my second engine and still hear some noise with the volume down. The second one's noise is preferable than my old one which emitted a high pitched whining sound that varied in intensity. The second engine just sounds like normal fan noise with the volume low and sitting about 8 ft back. Are these things supposed to be whisper quiet?
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post #10273 of 21315
11/14/06 at 5:30pm
Hi everyone. I just bought the 61" monster last night and got it going. Considering what time it was, didn't get a chance to do much with it. My biggest problem is that I couldn't locate an HD signal. As with everything else, I tried to get familar with the controls, but no HD.

Since I was already on cable, but never had HD, I stopped by my cable company for some info. According to a tech, he said that as long as my tv had a built in HD tuner, I didn't need a set top box or anything else. HD was included in my package. Since we live in a rural area outside of the cities, they don't have the best available HD lineup. All they have is 6 local channels in HD. He said the channels would either show up as 6.1, 8.1, 10.1 (right after tuning to ch 6, 8, 10, etc, or on channels 78-83...depending on my model. Unless you have an advanced package, the normal cable channels stop after 83.

To make a long story short, I have tried everything and can't get them to work on the channels he said. I did buy a set of amplified rabbit ears and can get 1 channel in from them. I have tried connecting my cable to the cable input and even the antenna input, but still no HD from my cable. I have went thru and redone the autoprogram probably 5 times while having my rabbit ears on ant and cable on cable. I did select the air and cable option in autoprogram. Still, no hd from my cable.

This tv looked so good in the store, but with only finding analog programs, it is getting aggravated. I don't want to go with the stb if I don't have to. Is there something here that I am missing?

Thanks in advance.
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post #10274 of 21315
11/14/06 at 5:36pm
boatboy63;
1. Where are you?
2. Are you talking about getting HD channels on cable or OTA?? Two different issues. The '87' series does not have a QAM (digital cable) tuner.
3. Welcome to the forums.
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post #10275 of 21315
11/14/06 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by Dropitnjax View Post

I understand about the viewing distance just as long as there is not some magic going on that my 56" can't pick up but the 61" can. I know the viewing would be a slight bit better but the $300 difference was hard to get past for me.

I would have to believe that the poster has unintentionally reported incorrect or incomplete information.
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post #10276 of 21315
11/14/06 at 5:56pm
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Originally Posted by kidkoala View Post

Anyone using CableCard here?

I've been having problems with it. The channel information no longer shows up, as well as the volume bars or the TV guide.

Tried calling Samsung, they just advised on getting another card in there. I don't really want to pay Comcast to come out and install another one.

Any fixes?


Did you try resetting the Cablecard?

Menu - Setup - Scroll down to Cablecard setup - Cablecard reset. You will have to wait for the TV Guide to download after you turn off your TV overnight.

If you have your internal mute set to ON you will not see the volume bar but you also would not be getting sound from the TV. Are you using an external receiver for your sound?

Mark
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post #10277 of 21315
11/14/06 at 5:58pm
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

boatboy63;
1. Where are you?
2. Are you talking about getting HD channels on cable or OTA?? Two different issues. The '87' series does not have a QAM (digital cable) tuner.
3. Welcome to the forums.

I am in Tennessee.
Was hoping to get channels without the box due to the distance to the signal source (+/- 50 miles and mountains). Guess the OTA is about useless without a big antenna.
Any other suggestions? Thanks.
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post #10278 of 21315
11/14/06 at 6:19pm
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Originally Posted by sittingducks View Post

I read on Cnet that this set does not accurately resolve ALL (most, but not all) of the lines of a 1080p source...Can anybody verify this?
Also, the editor also stated that he could not tell the difference of the same movie viewed in 1080i and 1080p on this set...is this true?


Thanks in advance ^^

Well there's really no difference between watching a 1080i film properly deinterlaced on a 1080p display and watching a 1080p film on a 1080p display. In fact that's what's happening inside the Samsung BluRay and upcoming Toshiba "1080p" HD-DVD player. The video decoder decodes at 1080i and then they bolted a deinterlace on to output 1080p. There is some debate as to whether these sets do film mode deinterlacing of 1080i, but even if they don't the difference will be subtle enough that it may be hard to see.

I have a 720p wobulated set and it definitely passes 720p test patterns just fine. In fact, I'm a big fan of wobulation. Having a really high filll ratio and pixels with a gaussian spot profile (ie. pixels with soft edges) creates a much more film like image. The hard edged square profile of a dlp mirror creates an artificial digital jagginess that doesn't look natural to me. Your movies were shot on film which doesn't have discrete pixels and mastered on a CRT which has pixels with a gaussian spot profile, so having a set that acts similarly is ideal.

- Collin
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post #10279 of 21315
11/14/06 at 6:20pm
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Originally Posted by boatboy63 View Post

I am in Tennessee.
Was hoping to get channels without the box due to the distance to the signal source (+/- 50 miles and mountains). Guess the OTA is about useless without a big antenna.
Any other suggestions? Thanks.

If you have a HL-Sxx87 model TV then you have to use a STB for cable TV. The cable ready tuner is only in the HL-Sxx88 and probably the HL-S5679 models. It's one reason why they cost more.
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post #10280 of 21315
11/14/06 at 6:27pm
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Originally Posted by collinp View Post

I have a 720p wobulated set and it definitely passes 720p test patterns just fine. In fact, I'm a big fan of wobulation.

We should start a Bay Area "720p Wobulated and Happy" club.
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post #10281 of 21315
11/14/06 at 6:34pm
Htwaits, I'm not sure if it's a cablecard problem or a TV problem. My set is calibrated and the picture is beautiful, but the bugs on this TV just drives me nuts.

I don't have the mute button on, and I've tried pressing info but I can't get any channel info to display.

I'm going to try resetting the CC again.
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post #10282 of 21315
11/14/06 at 6:55pm
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Originally Posted by boatboy63 View Post

Hi everyone. I just bought the 61" monster last night and got it going. Considering what time it was, didn't get a chance to do much with it. My biggest problem is that I couldn't locate an HD signal. As with everything else, I tried to get familar with the controls, but no HD.

Since I was already on cable, but never had HD, I stopped by my cable company for some info. According to a tech, he said that as long as my tv had a built in HD tuner, I didn't need a set top box or anything else. HD was included in my package. Since we live in a rural area outside of the cities, they don't have the best available HD lineup. All they have is 6 local channels in HD. He said the channels would either show up as 6.1, 8.1, 10.1 (right after tuning to ch 6, 8, 10, etc, or on channels 78-83...depending on my model. Unless you have an advanced package, the normal cable channels stop after 83.

To make a long story short, I have tried everything and can't get them to work on the channels he said. I did buy a set of amplified rabbit ears and can get 1 channel in from them. I have tried connecting my cable to the cable input and even the antenna input, but still no HD from my cable. I have went thru and redone the autoprogram probably 5 times while having my rabbit ears on ant and cable on cable. I did select the air and cable option in autoprogram. Still, no hd from my cable.

This tv looked so good in the store, but with only finding analog programs, it is getting aggravated. I don't want to go with the stb if I don't have to. Is there something here that I am missing?

Thanks in advance.

Where did you pick it up at and what was the price? Thanks.
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post #10283 of 21315
11/14/06 at 7:48pm
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Two questions;
1. With a Harmony or a OneForAll remote, anyone know if there is a code to directly enter the picture mode adjust screen without pushing 5 buttons first?
2. Other than those Pronto remote codes, anyone have something for direct input access for OneForAll remotes or even Harmmony?

1. Haven't tried this.
2. For the Harmony, enter HLS6188W as your model number in setup.
From macc8000:
Ant > InputAntenna
Comp 1 > InputComponent 1
Comp 2 > InputComponent 2
HDMI1 > InputHDMI1
HDMI2 > InputHDMI2V2
PC/RGB > InputRGB
SVideo1 > InputSVideo
SVideo1 > InputSVideoV2
AVI > InputVideo
AVI > InputVideo2V2
AVI > InputVideo3V2
Wiselink > InputDVI
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post #10284 of 21315
11/14/06 at 8:03pm
Hello,

I have read and searched the forums, Sam's has a HLS 6167W for sale, I can see it on the samsung website, but I can't compare specs to the the other models.

Anyone have any thoughts or experience? Anyway to compare wit the BB or CC models?

I checked the spec sheet out and it seems identical to the BB ones 61 inch ones (hls 6187)

I have attached the pdf from samsung's website...

Any advice would be much appreciated....

 

Comparison6.pdf 47.3046875k . file
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post #10285 of 21315
11/14/06 at 8:13pm
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Originally Posted by boatboy63 View Post

Hi everyone. I just bought the 61" monster last night and got it going. Considering what time it was, didn't get a chance to do much with it. My biggest problem is that I couldn't locate an HD signal. As with everything else, I tried to get familar with the controls, but no HD.

Since I was already on cable, but never had HD, I stopped by my cable company for some info. According to a tech, he said that as long as my tv had a built in HD tuner, I didn't need a set top box or anything else. HD was included in my package. Since we live in a rural area outside of the cities, they don't have the best available HD lineup. All they have is 6 local channels in HD. He said the channels would either show up as 6.1, 8.1, 10.1 (right after tuning to ch 6, 8, 10, etc, or on channels 78-83...depending on my model. Unless you have an advanced package, the normal cable channels stop after 83.

To make a long story short, I have tried everything and can't get them to work on the channels he said. I did buy a set of amplified rabbit ears and can get 1 channel in from them. I have tried connecting my cable to the cable input and even the antenna input, but still no HD from my cable. I have went thru and redone the autoprogram probably 5 times while having my rabbit ears on ant and cable on cable. I did select the air and cable option in autoprogram. Still, no hd from my cable.

This tv looked so good in the store, but with only finding analog programs, it is getting aggravated. I don't want to go with the stb if I don't have to. Is there something here that I am missing?

Thanks in advance.

this and your followup post are very confusing. It is difficult to tell if you are mixing up unscrambled cable and OTA signals in your question. First of all you need an internal tuner to receive either OTA HD programming or unscrambled cable HD programming. Your 87 series has a built in turner for the OTA signal, but not for the cable signal. As stated earlier, the 88 series does have both. So first off if you want to view HD via cable you will have to have a STB to do that. You can still hook up your cable direct to your TV, but you will not get the HD programming, only whatever unscrambled analog signals they might offer.

Now to view OTA HD, you will simply hook up an antenna to the ANT input and run autoscan. Even if the transmitters are 50 miles away, that does not mean you can't get a good signal. It depends on the antenna and what is between you and the towers. I suggest a decent outdoor antenna, but it need not be the old style. You can try a compact model with an amplifier to see if that will do the trick. Go to antennaweb.org and also visit the HDTV forum on AVSForums for info.
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post #10286 of 21315
11/14/06 at 8:35pm
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Originally Posted by houston@sahai.ne View Post

Hello,

I have read and searched the forums, Sam's has a HLS 6167W for sale, I can see it on the samsung website, but I can't compare specs to the the other models.

Anyone have any thoughts or experience? Anyway to compare wit the BB or CC models?

I checked the spec sheet out and it seems identical to the BB ones 61 inch ones (hls 6187)

I have attached the pdf from samsung's website...

Any advice would be much appreciated....

I'm pretty sure the internals are the same between the 2. The last digit in the model number, in this case a "7" denotes the feature set of the TV. It was posted a while back but I believe the model info breaks down like:

HL-SxxyzW

s = model year, this years models are the S's last year they were R's
xx = screen size
y = cabinet style - 6="floating" cabinet, 7=regular box like the 71 and the LED set, 8= the new thin bezel
z = the features of the set - 6=720p, 7=1080p, 8=like the 7 with the additional features, 9=LED light engine
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post #10287 of 21315
11/14/06 at 8:38pm
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Originally Posted by houston@sahai.ne View Post

I have read and searched the forums, Sam's has a HLS 6167W for sale, I can see it on the samsung website, but I can't compare specs to the the other models.

Like the HL-S6767 sold by Costco, it seems to be the HL-Sxx87 in a modified 2005 case and is probably sold only by Sam's Club. If the price and other conditions are OK then it's probably fine.

There is a thread for HL-S6767 owners which would probably give you some valid information. I have no idea what it's like to buy from Sam's Club. It's always good to have a thirty day "no cost to you for any reason" return policy if you haven't owned a DLP before.
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post #10288 of 21315
11/14/06 at 8:55pm
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Originally Posted by HHAERO2 View Post

Is this for both the 87 and 88 models? Sounds like another firmware quirk...

Yes.

Eliab
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post #10289 of 21315
11/14/06 at 8:59pm
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Originally Posted by buccikong View Post

When you are in Movie mode, you cannot toggle DNIe at all - it's grayed-out. Is it safe to assume that DNIe is truly off when you're in Movie mode, or can it be on even though it's greyed-out? If that is the case, do I just need to increase/decrease the brigtness as described above since I can't toggle DNIe?

Thanks.

Good point. I'd still raise and lower the brightness to ensure that it's off.

Eliab
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post #10290 of 21315
11/14/06 at 9:00pm
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Originally Posted by canonelan2 View Post

I have the original Video Essentials DVD from back in 1998 or 1999... will that do or do I have to buy the newer DVE disc?

Yes it will. But the DVE disc has much easier to read patterns for setting up brightness and contrast.

Eliab
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