Samsung 1080p Owner's Thread --- HLSxx87W/HLSxx88W DLP Models - Page 512

OK, let's try this: how long did it take anyone else to receive their NFL Shop $100.00 certificate? Thanks in advance!

To my eyes these pics would support leaving DNIE on ....

What is the signal source ? (and would it matter)

That's going to be true regardless of when you buy...just like a computer. There's always something in the works that will be better in almost every way. You can wait until Summer and pay more for the newer, better set, and then watch it's price drop as you hear all the info of what the next year's model will have that yours doesn't. It's very frustrating but you'll have to pull the trigger sometime, otherwise you'll never get a TV. At least for TV's they change each year. Computers is every couple months.

Mikeynavy1,

That's true. I didn't really think of it that way.

Is there a website or somewhere I can go to see the new models that are coming out soon?

I think he also said (TV Guy) wait because the cost will be dropping this summer?

When I received my HLS-5687W about 60 days ago, I performed a user-calibration, and turned on Film Mode for the S-Video connection I am using with my SD DirecTivo (no HD service yet).

But I'm a bit confused about what this setting is doing. I assumed that it meant that when film material was detected, the set would perform a 2:3 pulldown of the material for properly deinterlacing. However, now I'm not so sure if this setting means that it forces a 2:3 pulldown with all material.

For example, watching Heroes last eveing, there is a scene where Claire is walking away from her biological mother in a wooded area and when she was walking, there were very clear deinterlacing issues on her legs, much like a stairstepping issue. When I turned off Film Mode and looked at the scene again, the deinterlacing problem was gone. I can assume from this that Heroes is probably "filmed" on Video and not Film and the Film Mode setting is forcing 2:3 pulldown on material regardless of the source.

If this is the case (and I would like confirmation), what does it mean when the setting is not turned on? And when might you want to turn it on?

When the setting is OFF, does the Samsung detect film mode and properly perform a 2:3 pulldown for deinterlacing? Does it also apply an adaptive deinterlace for video material? Is the Film Mode setting only supposed to be used when the Samsung is not properly deinterlacing film-based material?

Simply confused. Would appreciate some insight to what the Samsung does with Film Mode both turned ON and OFF.

Thanks.

I also find that turning DNIe when watching HD-DVD's makes the image look better at first, but then you realize that the too bright contrast, crushed blacks abd horribe edge enhancements (most apparent on text and natural film grain) arent worth the little bit of extra pop. Also, DNIe is horrible when you watch SD.

Try AVS Forums.

Here is a thread where information about the 2007 Samsung models will appear in the first post as it becomes available.

2007 Samsung DLP Information From CES!


He is right according to market analysts, but that doesn't mean you will pick a set that costs less than one you might pick now.

The No-Name Brand Behind the Latest Price War

Salesmen do NOT tell people to wait until summer if their motive is to make the most possible money off of a sale to that individual. They try to convince you that the sets they have in inventory are the best ones for you. They may also push the models that have the biggest margin for them. Your sales person wasn't trying to trick you. He might turn out to be wrong, but if so, it's an honest mistake. Salesmen do that too -- all the time.

If you are interested in a professional calibration then having DNIe OFF is part of the total calibration. It's not a stand alone issue.

Your pictures are interesting and probably explain why Samsung thinks DNIe helps them sell as many TV sets as possible. If your set was calibrated by UMR, David Abrams or Eliab then you could do the same test, and I think you might get different results.

NOTE: It's taking the AVS server forever to load your pictures each time I come back to this thread. Would it be possible for you to substitute links for images?

Overscan yes or no!

Thank you all again with my questions on black crush. I've done a lot of searching here on overscan. If I understand correctly, turning it off may produce a slightly sharper clearer picture? It also may make the pincushioning on 4:3 worse. Am I correct about this?

Is this the only things it will change?

Does it affect SD and HD? I have Direct Tv with HD but most are still SD feeds.

1 more than the other?

Just out of curiosity, do the pro calibraters turn it on or off?

Thanks everyone.

Eliab or anyone

I'm in the Phoenix area and thinking about having Pro Calibration done. Who would I contact for this.

Thx

There is a "calibrator's" thread where they give their locations. Since the good ones travel a lot, you should contact the ones you are most interested in, and inquire about their tour schedule. I think UMR and Eliab's partner David Abrams come to your area.

ISF Calibrators, where are you located? Please post here!

I don't know if Eliab is reading these threads since he hasn't posted at AVS since December 11th.

There is contact information in the "Reports" thread that is linked at the bottom of my post.

Sounds like maybe they priced it a bit too low!

Nice shots!

I do not have an ISF calibration to do comparisons with. That being said I find the benefits of DNIE to be source dependent. Oddly, I believe HD PQ often benefits from DNIE being on while SD will often suffer dramatically. Perhaps with SD material DNIE is merely sharpening the edge of the inherent "fuzziness" of SD.

Just out of curiosity, have you set the Gammas=0 in your SM on your set?

Also what camera did you shoot those pics with?

No, its not.

These aren't my pics and don't know the camera that was used. perhaps I could find out.

Good info to write down... which chip manufacturer and part# is this?

What were the circumstances around taking the pictures? I assumed that they were taken with your TV. Is that the case? Which set do you have?

It's taking the AVS server forever to load your pictures each time I come back to this thread. Would it be possible for you to substitute links for images?

I believe the chip is called the Faroudja DCDi.

2007 HL-T models.... here's some basic info from last month's CES show:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=779782

Not much difference with HL-S.... maybe a small change on the color wheel, and 3 HDMI inputs now. Same performances for the most part.

For those in the market for a 5687, you should know Amazon doesn't always have the best prices. Here are some alternatives:

http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__Samsu...ype=bottomline

For those that haven't already created something similar attached is a simple Excel spreadsheet for recording your basic User Menu Settings (Contrast, Brightness, etc) so you will have them handy should they be reset for any reason (like entering the SM or children run amuck).

As is, the spreadsheet is a 1 page printout with space for recording 5 input sources. Though pretty basic, it is completely modifiable to suit your configuration.

It is in a ZIP file for export/import purposes.

Enjoy!

 

Samsung HL User Menu Settings.zip 2.5048828125k . file

Edited

Can you share what other settings you have?

Contrast, Brightness,Sharpness,Color, Tint "Cool1 ,2 ect.

I to like the Dnle on but in Hi def it's good either way. SD not always good

I have it OFF on our HLP set.


Yes and it will reduce the amount of the image that is being cut off around the edges of the image.


I doubt that but I have never tried to test it. I can't figure out how pincushioning could be worse because the image had less overscan or was mapped pixel for pixel.


If the SD image is not sharper to begin with, having a sharper display device will make it easier to see flaws in the original source.


They do when it's easy to do, and in some cases they have done it when it was not so easy to do. It's not going to make a big difference for folks who are most interested in watching DVDs, TV or in gaming. It does make a difference for those that want to use their TV as a giant computer monitor.

The difference is very small for most people, and most programming that you might watch will not have any important information cut off by the maximum overscan on a Samsung DLP RPTV.

1. This is guy is going to lose a sale by telling you to come back later. He must have been pretty honest. he should have said....'there are some crapier sets coming out in the Summer - you better buy this one NOW'

2. Sammy has Discontinued these models for new ones. With all the problems I have had - I am hoping to get the newest model for a replacement.

3. You can buy NEW IN BOX HL-S5088W for $1700 from Tweeter now - as they are discontinued and they are blowing them out.

DNIe is sometimes very photo-friendly, but in practice, I find it undesireable.

It adds an unrealistic, electronic looking glow to everything, while crushing blacks and providing too much contrast, as someone else said. In fact, in the second pair of pictures, you can easily see how much detail on the stonewall is lost with DNIe on.

It does look neat at first, but the novelty quickly wears off when you realize how unnatural it makes everything look.

I just bought a 5687W today from shopsource for 1658 shipped, they offer insurance for 74 bucks and 5 yr extended warrranty(3 yrs for bulbs) for 350? should I jump on that also?

THanks.

I'd like to know this as well. Right now, my PS3 is set to output at 1080p; but things get a bit jaggy for me at this setting. I'm thinking 1080i might be the better choice. 720p isn't detailed enough (compared to 1080i/p).

I am sitting here staring at my new HL-S5687w. It is still in it's wrapping foam. I paid $1620 DELIVERED from an authorized Samsung Dealer. I just finished registering the unit on Samsung's site.

PM me if you need details...

Do you know for a FACT that Samsung has discontinued the HLS sets, or is that your assumption?

At some point soon I would think they need to discontinue and begin manufacturing HLTs, don't you think? They may run a production line or two of HLSs while others are running HLTs just for the transition, but I would think they want to make a quick and clean transition.

Anyone work for Samsung in Mexico who knows? Hola?