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6/4/06 at 9:13pm
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The opposite is true with my set. The black bars horizontally are perfect, but when I'm watching something in the 4x3 aspect ratio the side black bars have a very noticeable curve on the top and the bottom. It is worse on the bottom, with the curve starting about 4 inches from the bottom (it curves outward 1/4 to 1/2 inch). I can remedy this by putting it on Zoom 1 or Zoom 2, but my personal opinion is that any of the stretch modes compromises the PQ big time. I wouldn't even think of returning the set for this somewhat minor problem, for my viewing right now is mostly DVDs and after I get my new HD DVR next week I plan to watch a good deal of HD content. Does anyone else out there have this same problem?

The pincushion is present on all dlp's I looked at in 4x3 mode. BTW my geometry is not a problem unless I throw a test pattern up and look for perfectly straight lines. If I never put digital video essentials on my display, I would have never known a 1/4 inch rise or drop horizontally was happening ( my old set had 1/4 inch rise on the top of the screen from the left to the right), it also is only at the exteme edges of the screen; as you get closer to the center the lines are perfectly straight. I suppose they calibrate making the center of the picture perfect and allow for some deviation toward the edge. Again, it does not bother me unless I am looking at test patterns all day.
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6/4/06 at 9:16pm
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

I posted on one of the other Sammy threads that my set has an oval white spot towards the center of my screen when the set is OFF. I don't see anything with the set on. I mentioned in that post that I received a paper with my manual and registration form stating the following:

"In the case of a normal CRT TV, an object is supposed to be displayed on the screen after it is reflected to the surface of the glass as it is. However, this kind of projection TV has a dim object in the shape of a white oval displayed on the screen according to the reflection on the surface of the screen and the internal reflection."


Sounds like just light from the room reflecting in the mirrors
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post #1653 of 21315
6/4/06 at 9:20pm
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Originally Posted by pensivejazz View Post

Sounds like just light from the room reflecting in the mirrors

In fact, that's exactly what it is.
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post #1654 of 21315
6/4/06 at 9:21pm
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Originally Posted by punisherofall View Post

The pincushion is present on all dlp's I looked at in 4x3 mode.

It's also present in all the RPTV sets that you haven't looked at.
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post #1655 of 21315
6/4/06 at 9:21pm
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

I posted on one of the other Sammy threads that my set has an oval white spot towards the center of my screen when the set is OFF. I don't see anything with the set on. I mentioned in that post that I received a paper with my manual and registration form stating the following:

"In the case of a normal CRT TV, an object is supposed to be displayed on the screen after it is reflected to the surface of the glass as it is. However, this kind of projection TV has a dim object in the shape of a white oval displayed on the screen according to the reflection on the surface of the screen and the internal reflection."


This is when the set is turned on and displaying a perfectly dark black screen. I know what you are seeing when the set is off and that is light bouncing off the mirror from the room during the day or when a light is on. This ever so slight "blotch" almost looks like a water spot on car paint and is almost a lighter shade of black to dark grey. I noticed it when I had digital video essentials on a full black screen and was close to my set. I can't notice it from my seated position so it doesn't impair my viewing pleasure; however, both my sets had the same slight blotch on a pure black screen. It absolutely cannot be seen on any other color even with your eyes 3-4 inches from the screen which leads me to believe there is some internal reflection or a trace amount of light bouncing off the mirror when the set is trying to block all incoming light to produce pure black. This is in a perfectly dark room with an ambilight behind the set. It is so slight it is not a problem, it was just an observation I made one night going through digital video essentials.
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post #1656 of 21315
6/4/06 at 9:46pm
I have something like that blotch on my set but it can only be seen with a white screen. You don't see it on a black screen.
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post #1657 of 21315
6/4/06 at 10:02pm
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

I have something like that blotch on my set but it can only be seen with a white screen. You don't see it on a black screen.

From my other sets, if I noticed a blotch on a white screen it was most likely dust either on the light engine lens, the mirror or the screen itself... although dust on the screen itself (the inside of the screen) shows up as a black speck on a white background or any other color. This is different, it is not visible defect on anything except a full deep black screen.. not even a slightly lighter black will show the "blotch" ; only the deepest black possible for the set to reproduce.. it is very odd indeed. It is also so small and nearly impossible to see most would never notice it unless they were looking at test patterns of full pure color screens; it is impossible to see during an active picture.
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post #1658 of 21315
6/4/06 at 11:40pm
My experience with my Panasonic 50" LCD might be of interest in regards to the geometry issue:

A svc tech replaced several parts of my set in a process of elimination attempting to get rid of a spot I noticed on the display in the upper left quadrant. After finally getting rid of the spot after ordering parts three or four times, the svc tech left my house and within minutes I noticed that the top edge of the screen was uneven geometry quite noticeably.

I called the tech back on his cell phone and he came back to my house shortly afterward. This may sound silly but the lightweight housings these projection sets are made out of have some 'give' to them. We determined that the housing was torqued somehow. I think we may have loosened a few screws first, but basically we just carefully pressured the housing ,with its integrated speaker panels on the sides, slightly forward on the left and slightly backward on the right. Believe it or not after very slightly bending the screen housing a few times this fixed the geometry perfectly.

If you've seen inside of a projection set its like a tiny movie projector pointed up at a mirror that bounces onto your front screen(s). Just as pulling the corner of a classroom projector's pull-down screen will disort the images geometry, a slightly 'bent' projection television housing can distort the geometry. At least it did on my set and since they are all lightweight plastic housings and bezels I don't see why this wouldn't be true of other brands and models.
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post #1659 of 21315
6/5/06 at 12:04am
I'm buying a Sammy this week. One question: can you save the video settings as a profile? Like if have it calibrated for each source (dvd, cable, htpc) can I select the appropriate profile for each? there is no way could I remember the settings for each source, and I sure am not going to spend the time to change them all the time.
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post #1660 of 21315
6/5/06 at 5:42am
If it's like last years models each input has independent settings.
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6/5/06 at 5:57am
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

The opposite is true with my set. The black bars horizontally are perfect, but when I'm watching something in the 4x3 aspect ratio the side black bars have a very noticeable curve on the top and the bottom. It is worse on the bottom, with the curve starting about 4 inches from the bottom (it curves outward 1/4 to 1/2 inch). I can remedy this by putting it on Zoom 1 or Zoom 2, but my personal opinion is that any of the stretch modes compromises the PQ big time. I wouldn't even think of returning the set for this somewhat minor problem, for my viewing right now is mostly DVDs and after I get my new HD DVR next week I plan to watch a good deal of HD content. Does anyone else out there have this same problem?

I have this same issue. Calling for a replacement today.
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post #1662 of 21315
6/5/06 at 6:37am
I have some serious "sparkle" issues on some HD content. I think of it more as "noise", but its like white snow interfering with the picture. Some HD feeds have it, some don't. I thought at first it might just be dependent on a particular feed, but my 37" plasma, on the same channels, displaying HD as well, doesn't have the same problems. It must be the 5087W. I've tried messing with every setting possible, disabling DNIe lessens the problem, but nothing gets rid of it.
The date on the back is April 06. Should I request CC come out and exchange it for a different set?

Shawn
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post #1663 of 21315
6/5/06 at 6:45am
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Originally Posted by elvn View Post

My experience with my Panasonic 50" LCD might be of interest in regards to the geometry issue:

A svc tech replaced several parts of my set in a process of elimination attempting to get rid of a spot I noticed on the display in the upper left quadrant. After finally getting rid of the spot after ordering parts three or four times, the svc tech left my house and within minutes I noticed that the top edge of the screen was uneven geometry quite noticeably.

I called the tech back on his cell phone and he came back to my house shortly afterward. This may sound silly but the lightweight housings these projection sets are made out of have some 'give' to them. We determined that the housing was torqued somehow. I think we may have loosened a few screws first, but basically we just carefully pressured the housing ,with its integrated speaker panels on the sides, slightly forward on the left and slightly backward on the right. Believe it or not after very slightly bending the screen housing a few times this fixed the geometry perfectly.

If you've seen inside of a projection set its like a tiny movie projector pointed up at a mirror that bounces onto your front screen(s). Just as pulling the corner of a classroom projector's pull-down screen will disort the images geometry, a slightly 'bent' projection television housing can distort the geometry. At least it did on my set and since they are all lightweight plastic housings and bezels I don't see why this wouldn't be true of other brands and models.

Before deciding on the Samsung HLS series, I was considering the JVC iDLA. If you read the forum on their newest model, a great many people complained about a tilted picture. The solution that they discovered was exactly the one described here. There are copious postings about how to twist the screen, where to push, where to pull and how much pressure to exert in order to flex the screen into the proper positon to eliminate the tilt. I guess some form of that solution is viable for the Samsung set as well.
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post #1664 of 21315
6/5/06 at 7:58am
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

This is what I have read also, and what I have heard from some high end dealers who are "in the know." From personal experience, I can say that my new Sony DVP-NS75H does a fantastic job so far (I've seen 4 movies in the last couple of days). I have it set on AUTO for resolution, so it has been upconverting to 1080i. I haven't tried setting it at 720p, but the consensus on this is that it's better to have it upconvert to 1080i.

This may sound like a stupid question, but I'm new to all of this:

From what I understand the Sony NS75H will upconvert to 1080i, and then the TV will turn that into 1080p. Is this true? Do I have to do anything special to get the TV to do this, or will it do it automatically? Is the difference between the Sony and Samsung the fact that the Samsung will upconvert directly to 1080p?

Thanks for the help.

brian
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post #1665 of 21315
6/5/06 at 8:44am
I just bought my new HL-S6188W TV

It is suppose to be in the store on 6-13-06 so I have it scheduled to be delivered on the 17th. Come on two weeks!!!!!!
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post #1666 of 21315
6/5/06 at 8:57am
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Originally Posted by SED Enough View Post

I'm glad I keep you in stitches nikolausp. It all depends on Samsung at this point.
Have you purchased a new TV yet?

Shirley you have got to see the humor in your posts. You're puttin everybody on huh. Nobody could really think(much less post it to these threads) that TVA or Samsung should come down in their price because their product, in its present state, doesn't suit you,or anybody else. Your constant harping of your financial inadequacies is tiresome,and frankly,you should be embarrassed to continue with these inane posts.AVS is not for the financially challenged.Please,show some restraint in your revealments on these threads. It is one thing to have a problem with a particular unit. It is another right we all have. When you post this on a thread where people have actually bought, or are TRYING to get positive reinforcement (TVA powerbuy thread in particular) from those offering a DISCOUNTED price on a display that is not available as yet,you do a great injustice to TVA,BUYERS,and potential buyers as well. Just my $.02......... Have a nice day
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post #1667 of 21315
6/5/06 at 9:15am
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Originally Posted by brezz View Post

From what I understand the Sony NS75H will upconvert to 1080i,

Right. It converts to the resolution of your choice -- 480i to 480p, 720p or 1080i.

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... and then the TV will turn that into 1080p.

Right.

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Do I have to do anything special to get the TV to do this, or will it do it automatically?

It's automatic because the only resolution that any 1080p TV can display is 1080p. They all convert 480i, 480p, 720p and 1080i to 1080p.

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Is the difference between the Sony and Samsung the fact that the Samsung will upconvert directly to 1080p?

Are you asking about the difference in conversion ability between the Sony DVD player and the Samsung TV? If so I guess the answer it yes. Some new DVD player models are now including 1080p in their list of possible outputs. If you use one of those DVD players set to output 1080p then the TV will not do any conversion before it displays the signal.
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post #1668 of 21315
6/5/06 at 9:55am
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Originally Posted by sspears View Post

I saw the same tilt on Magnolia HiFi this weekend on an HL-S5088W. The left side was higher than the right.

First sighting of an 88 can you tell us if it was all black or did it have the same silver strip where the buttons are located?
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6/5/06 at 10:06am
Since my purchase of my 6187 I have fallen in love with my HD channels (this is my first HD TV) but I must say that I am disappointed in non-HD channels. I am currently using the SA8300HD DVR, and anytime that we watch anything that is not on one of the HD channels the picture is horrible (as my wife would say). The old 53 inch sony regular projection TV we had was 5 times better on regular channels than what it looks like now. It is to the point that my wife had to stop watching a show because of the quality.

The TV is currently connected to the cable box through HDMI. We also have a Tivo hooked up to the TV through a regular digital cable box from brighthouse, and when we watch programs recorded on that on the Samsung the picture quality is pretty good.

Could the poor picture quality coming from the HD cable box be a problem with the box, or is that just the way it is? Like I said, this is our first HD TV, so I am not sure what is "normal." Anything on the HD channels looks great, so I don't think it is the box or the cable that is the problem, but I don't know.

Thanks in advance for any help, or suggestions.
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6/5/06 at 10:07am
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Originally Posted by Topless View Post

I just bought my new HL-S6188W TV

It is suppose to be in the store on 6-13-06 so I have it scheduled to be delivered on the 17th. Come on two weeks!!!!!!

Where did you buy it?
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post #1671 of 21315
6/5/06 at 10:18am
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Originally Posted by augerpro View Post

I'm buying a Sammy this week. One question: can you save the video settings as a profile? Like if have it calibrated for each source (dvd, cable, htpc) can I select the appropriate profile for each? there is no way could I remember the settings for each source, and I sure am not going to spend the time to change them all the time.

Pretty sure once the "handshake" is made the profiles are saved separately....

I'll check when I get home and update if I find this to be untrue.
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post #1672 of 21315
6/5/06 at 10:22am
Originally Posted by sspears
I saw the same tilt on Magnolia HiFi this weekend on an HL-S5088W. The left side was higher than the right.

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First sighting of an 88 can you tell us if it was all black or did it have the same silver strip where the buttons are located?

Please also let us know the location of the store. Thanks.
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post #1673 of 21315
6/5/06 at 10:32am
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Where did you buy it?

I bought it from Tweeter. (I hope this doesn't break the forum rules).

I'm the eighth person to purchase it from them. The date was 6-7-06 on last Friday, then went in on Saturday to buy it and ETA changed to 6-13-06. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

This will be my first HD TV. I cant wait to see it in my house
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6/5/06 at 10:37am
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Originally Posted by Topless View Post

I bought it from Tweeter. (I hope this doesn't break the forum rules).

I'm the eighth person to purchase it from them. The date was 6-7-06 on last Friday, then went in on Saturday to buy it and ETA changed to 6-13-06. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

This will be my first HD TV. I cant wait to see it in my house


Do they have an 88 floor model? If yes, which Tweeter?
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6/5/06 at 10:37am
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Originally Posted by tjarrett999 View Post

Since my purchase of my 6187 I have fallen in love with my HD channels (this is my first HD TV) but I must say that I am disappointed in non-HD channels. I am currently using the SA8300HD DVR, and anytime that we watch anything that is not on one of the HD channels the picture is horrible (as my wife would say). The old 53 inch sony regular projection TV we had was 5 times better on regular channels than what it looks like now. It is to the point that my wife had to stop watching a show because of the quality.

The TV is currently connected to the cable box through HDMI. We also have a Tivo hooked up to the TV through a regular digital cable box from brighthouse, and when we watch programs recorded on that on the Samsung the picture quality is pretty good.

Could the poor picture quality coming from the HD cable box be a problem with the box, or is that just the way it is? Like I said, this is our first HD TV, so I am not sure what is "normal." Anything on the HD channels looks great, so I don't think it is the box or the cable that is the problem, but I don't know.

Thanks in advance for any help, or suggestions.

When you say non-hd,are you talking about digital channels as well as analog(01-99).My wife is always watching channel 8 instead of 212 for our ABC HD affiliate. Some of her favorite shows are on 50-65 (cooking shows,home and garden,etc). Poor quality 480i content is an inherent trait of any 1080p display.Are the problem shows on these numbered stations.Local affiliates should have digital channel numbers in the 200 range (Cable). From a 480i signal, your display has to fill a lot of empty space to achieve its native resolution of 1080p. An all digital arrangement is the most likely resolve for your situation.......... Enjoy
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post #1676 of 21315
6/5/06 at 11:37am
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Originally Posted by okbyme View Post

Do they have an 88 floor model? If yes, which Tweeter?

They havent gotten their first shipment in yet so no displays yet.

BB had the 87 on display in Mckinney Texas.
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post #1677 of 21315
6/5/06 at 1:52pm
After seeing Topless' notes, I called Tweeter. I had preordered a 6188 about 6 weeks ago here in Houston. He also gave me the June 13 date!!!!!!! (I had been told 6/5 about 2 weeks ago, but expected to see it much later based on some of the reports here.) I will be out of the country..... until the 16th, but hopefully, for Father's Day, I will have one of my toys.
(We are also getting a Panny plasma for the bedroom - which may also be here at the same time.........)
Almost better than sex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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post #1678 of 21315
6/5/06 at 1:59pm
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Originally Posted by JayDarg View Post

After seeing Topless' notes, I called Tweeter. I had preordered a 6188 about 6 weeks ago here in Houston. He also gave me the June 13 date!!!!!!! (I had been told 6/5 about 2 weeks ago, but expected to see it much later based on some of the reports here.) I will be out of the country..... until the 16th, but hopefully, for Father's Day, I will have one of my toys.
(We are also getting a Panny plasma for the bedroom - which may also be here at the same time.........)
Almost better than sex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WOW, a 6188, AND a Panny Plasma..............must be nice.............but NOT better than...............LOL Bob
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6/5/06 at 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by JayDarg View Post

After seeing Topless' notes, I called Tweeter. I had preordered a 6188 about 6 weeks ago here in Houston. He also gave me the June 13 date!!!!!!! (I had been told 6/5 about 2 weeks ago, but expected to see it much later based on some of the reports here.) I will be out of the country..... until the 16th, but hopefully, for Father's Day, I will have one of my toys.
(We are also getting a Panny plasma for the bedroom - which may also be here at the same time.........)
Almost better than sex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SWEET!!!!!

I'm having direct tv come out on the 17th to install my new HD/DVR receiver so I hope my new Sammy is there too.

The houston warehouse i think only gets in shipments in on Tuesdays but I could be way wrong.
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6/5/06 at 2:58pm
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Originally Posted by NoClue64 View Post

I have this same issue. Calling for a replacement today.

Doubtful it will do any good. The Samsung sets have always tended to have some bowing on 4:3 material with regard to the sidebars.
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