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post #211 of 21377
I want to call Samsung and get my HL-R5078w replaced with either an xx78 or xx88 but I'm worried about picture quality. There aren't any reviews on these sets and i don't want to get a TV that looks worse than what i have currently. I am on my 3rd Samsung set and am sick of having problems. The current set has a white spot that shows during dark scenes. It measures roughly 1.5" x 2". Besides that the lag with my 360 is a problem. I had to pay an additional $250 to get upgraded to this TV and I just want one that works. What do you guys think? Should I fight with them to get one of these newer models or just have them fix the current model?
post #212 of 21377
How are the black levels on these sets?
post #213 of 21377
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Originally Posted by RMSko View Post

I thought the 5679 was not wobulated. Are you sure it is wobulated?

No.

But I haven't found anything yet that makes me think that it's not wobulated. I don't recall what people were told at CES, but I think it would have been a very big deal if Samsung and TI were introducing the first non-wobulated 1080p chip in a RPTV.

Once owners have the sets, and check the SM, we should know for sure. Wobulation can be turned off -- at least it can in my 720p set.
post #214 of 21377
htwaits, what would be the advantage of turning wobulation off?
post #215 of 21377
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Originally Posted by IndieRockSteve View Post

what's 'wrong' with wobulation? (other than it makes one sound like they are talking to a 6mo old...)

You've got it!
post #216 of 21377
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Originally Posted by ramenboy View Post

htwaits, what would be the advantage of turning wobulation off?

None that I know of. SethS showed it to me when he calibrated our TV. Trivia maybe.

If that option isn't available then one might assume that the chip can't wobble.
post #217 of 21377
I think some people are mixing up wobulation with the color wheel. The xx79 set, the LED one, will not have a color wheel, but will still have the wobulated 1080p chip.
post #218 of 21377
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

No.

But I haven't found anything yet that makes me think that it's not wobulated. I don't recall what people were told at CES, but I think it would have been a very big deal if Samsung and TI were introducing the first non-wobulated 1080p chip in a RPTV.

Once owners have the sets, and check the SM, we should know for sure. Wobulation can be turned off -- at least it can in my 720p set.

Wouldn't that just give you an image that is 960x1080 on the new sets?
post #219 of 21377
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Originally Posted by Farlaugh View Post

Wouldn't that just give you an image that is 960x1080 on the new sets?

What you see are the diamond shapes because without wobulation there is no overlap. The SM options are used for calibration.

"One of the first things Seth did was show me how to turn off the wobulation. It's the first time I've seen the diamond pattern on the screen. Seth then turned it back on and adjusted the "wobulation/color wheel what-ever". I wish I could remember how he did it."

SethS Calibrated Our HLP5063

If the adjustment controls are in the SM of any given set then I would conclude that the set has a wobulated light engine. As soon as the "5679" sets get into the hands of a member they can check the SM for something like "Actuator ON/OFF".

Since I expect that Samsung has used a wobulated 1080p chip in the "5679", I expect that "Actuator ON/OFF" will be found, and it will be turned on.
post #220 of 21377
I know this is starting to sound like a broken record, but...

Do we know if there is 5.1 pass through via optical out yet???
post #221 of 21377
After reading this forum for months, I finally gathered my courage and bought my very first projection TV. After a week of testing this is my first impression from a first time projection TV owner. Hopefully this will help newbs like me on what to expect from an HDTV and not get totally discouraged by boards like these.

Setup:
TV: Samsung HLS-6187 DLP 1080 version
DVD Player: Denon 1920 - on HDMi 1
Game: Xbox360 on Composite 1
PC: Laptop on SVGA + Audio Cable
Cable: Comcast Motorola DCT6412 on Composite 2
Stand: Z-Line Designs 55" TV Stand
Viewing distance: 13-14feet about 25 degrees sideways

My First Impression:

The cable box was connected by the delivery people and it started up immediately. Once they left I examined the TV.

Looks: The TV itself is absolutely gorgeous. But this you can see at the store too. The Z-Line 55" stand goes really good with it since its the same color and same width. Very good first impression.

Viewing Angle:
Vertical viewing angle is horrible, so when I stand up and move closer to the TV the picture quality deteriorates very quickly. However, the center of my TV is 2 inches above my eyes with my current setup and it works really well. Horizontal viewing angles are better but still very crappy compared to LCDs / CRTs. So if you have a sideways setup like me, don't expect to enjoy the screen for large angles. I knew what to expect from in-store testing so even though my first impression was disappointing, it works really well at home.

Fan Noise: The fan noise is barely noticable. Compared to the Motorola DVR or the Xbox, the DLP fan noise is completely irrelevant. I don't think I heard the color wheel at all. Overall noise even when I just run the TV alone on mute is very hard to hear. Very good first impression.

Setup / connectors / Remote:
Connecting the TV was a breeze. The TV is really light so its easy to slide away from the wall (glass stand) when you need to reach the connector panel. Connectors are nicely grouped and easy to connect. The TV remote has a well separated SOURCE button that cycles through the inputs. It also autodetects and skips the non-connected inputs. Very good first impression.

Cable TV:
Regular broadcast is hard to watch since its grainy, and a lot of artifacts are everywhere. Some premium non-hdtv channels look very good though even in stretched mode. These channels are quite enjoyable. First impression is I would not reccommend this large TV for people who like to watch regular TV a lot. Letterbox mode didnt help the standard definition channels.

HDTV cannels looked very good and highly enjoyable. Hopefully once I set up my antenna I will get more of them.

4:3 Letterbox Edge bending - Keystone ) (
Barely noticable but this might vary by TV. Was much less pronouced then on the HLR display models in Best Buy. Very happy with mine.

DNIe: I can go both ways. Sometimes it feels better. Sometimes it feels worse with it. The jury is still out. Overall the way the TV shipped the image was very good. I did lower brightness, green, sharpness, and contrast since the TV was blindingly bright, but really just for testing purposes.

DVD Playback:
I watched Lord of the Rings and Doom in 1080i mode. DVD playback is simply unbeleivable. Picture quality is astounding. The built in speakers are excellent too. Very addicting. All around the DVD playback was a flawless experience. I did try component connection too, and noticed very little difference. But since the Denon 1920 has HDMi I might as well use it. I bought a $90 HDMi cable but I really doubt you need one. Very good first impression.

XBOX360:
I was running in 1080i mode here too and played Full Auto in 2 player mode and single player mode. Motion blur not noticable. No apparent lag, but then its not exactly a timing sensitive game. I didnt have a chance to stream video from the XBOX yet, but will try later this week. Very good first impression.

PC Laptop:
Connected the laptop with a 6ft SVGA cable male-male, and an audio cable. The laptop came up immediately. I didnt even bother with changing the resolution.
I played back a few mpegs in full screen mode and it worked perfectly. Sound was a little weak but I didnt play with it too much. Very good first impression.

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Overall I am very plesantly suprised by this TV and I am glad I went with it. I plan to test it extensively over the first 30days to make sure I don't overlook some defect, but my first week's experience has been simply amazing.

Thank you for all your help. I learned a lot from this board, even if it scrared the crap out of me about buying an HDTV.

Mostro
post #222 of 21377
Read about 3/4 the way down... "10 bit processing system"[/quote]


Guess what?! Its wrong because I just got off the phone w/Samsung & they stated that the 87 series only do the 8 bit processing. On the 56" size, the 88 & 79(LED) series will have the 10 bit processing. They stated that the info on the site is based on old info & they just recently got new specs on all the models that will come out this year. The only other differences were the cablecard & PIP functions. In regards to the Firewire port (IEEE34), I forgot to ask. I already placed an order for the HL-S5687W anyway since I got a SMOKING deal on it. I have PIP on my current TV & don't use it & I don't have CABLE, only SAT & plan on leaving them when Fiber Optic TV service becomes available in the Tampa, FL area later this year (it's called FiOS here). Since they are offering HD DVR Service right off the bat, I'll be hooking that up. In the mean time I'll be hooking up some bunny ears to get local HD signals since I live close enough. For some of you 87 series fans, I know this is not great news but it's still not bad news. Oh yeah, Samsung also stated that all the 1080p DLP HL-S Series sets will accept 1080p signals from not only the HDMI inputs (of course) but also the Component inputs!!! WOW!!!! Didn't ask about the computer input though. Sorry. HOPE THAT HELPS!!!!!!!
post #223 of 21377
People have called Samsung and gotten answers that it does have the 10 bit and some people have called and gotten that it does not have the 10 bit, so while we appreciate your input, we will have to take it with a grain of salt until we have official confirmation from them.

EDIT: I did just call and they said the same thing to me. Maybe they finally have their act together and have correct and properly distributed information.
post #224 of 21377
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Originally Posted by jrkarp View Post

I know this is starting to sound like a broken record, but...

Do we know if there is 5.1 pass through via optical out yet???


I agree that this question is extremely important to know, as this may be one of the most important upgrades from last years HLR series. This one fix would completely eliminate lip synch issues when using HDMI inputs, which in my personal opinion has been the biggest flaw in previous Samsung DLP models. We really need a definitive answer to whether or not these 1080p models pass a true 5.1 DD signal via the optical out. When testing this please take note to check all channels as passing just 2 channels is not even close to passing the full 5.1 DD signal. Any clarification on this important question is appreciated.
post #225 of 21377
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Originally Posted by davidnjessicacrz View Post

Read about 3/4 the way down... "10 bit processing system"


Guess what?! Its wrong because I just got off the phone w/Samsung & they stated that the 87 series only do the 8 bit processing. On the 56" size, the 88 & 79(LED) series will have the 10 bit processing. They stated that the info on the site is based on old info & they just recently got new specs on all the models that will come out this year. The only other differences were the cablecard & PIP functions. In regards to the Firewire port (IEEE34), I forgot to ask. I already placed an order for the HL-S5687W anyway since I got a SMOKING deal on it. I have PIP on my current TV & don't use it & I don't have CABLE, only SAT & plan on leaving them when Fiber Optic TV service becomes available in the Tampa, FL area later this year (it's called FiOS here). Since they are offering HD DVR Service right off the bat, I'll be hooking that up. In the mean time I'll be hooking up some bunny ears to get local HD signals since I live close enough. For some of you 87 series fans, I know this is not great news but it's still not bad news. Oh yeah, Samsung also stated that all the 1080p DLP HL-S Series sets will accept 1080p signals from not only the HDMI inputs (of course) but also the Component inputs!!! WOW!!!! Didn't ask about the computer input though. Sorry. HOPE THAT HELPS!!!!!!!
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Are you saying that the HLS-5088 DOESN'T have 10bit processing? Only the 56"? I think you are wrong. The 88's have the same processor across the board.
post #226 of 21377
Could someone please tell me of the black level on these sets. When you watch a movie with black bars at the top and bottom are they actually black or just really dark grey? I'm curious to see how these sets handle black levels in complete darkness.
post #227 of 21377
Just curious how would the new Samsung DLPS's 1080P compare to the 42 inch Westinghouse 1080P?

How are DLPs compared to LCD and Plasma in general?


Is there a bad glare on the DLP's?

Has anyone seen HD DVD on these TV's at home or at a showroom ?


How long until you have to replace the light?

Thanks for the assistance.
post #228 of 21377
Will the Samsung HL-S5679W ever get a thread of its own?
post #229 of 21377
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Originally Posted by PioneerElite View Post

Just curious how would the new Samsung DLPS's 1080P compare to the 42 inch Westinghouse 1080P?

How are DLPs compared to LCD and Plasma in general?


Is there a bad glare on the DLP's?

Has anyone seen HD DVD on these TV's at home or at a showroom ?


How long until you have to replace the light?

Thanks for the assistance.


I would like to know this as well since i have heard some people going through bulbs in a year. Thats crazy.

I will also ask If this is hdCP compliant?
post #230 of 21377
Any updated news re: when Samsung is releasing the xx88 and re: the price difference between the xx87 and xx88?
post #231 of 21377
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Originally Posted by Artwood View Post

Will the Samsung HL-S5679W ever get a thread of its own?

Good question. We only have 6 or 7 Samsung 2006 model threads now. A minimum of 14 sounds about right.
post #232 of 21377
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Originally Posted by PioneerElite View Post

Just curious how would the new Samsung DLPS's 1080P compare to the 42 inch Westinghouse 1080P?

How are DLPs compared to LCD and Plasma in general?


Is there a bad glare on the DLP's?

Has anyone seen HD DVD on these TV's at home or at a showroom ?


How long until you have to replace the light?

Thanks for the assistance.

I pretty much like you have decided I'll get one of these two TVs. I have seen the Westy at BB hooked to an HD DVD and the picture is amazing(IMO). Even though there will bulb replacements needed on the DLP the PB for the 50 inch Sammy is really hard to pass up. I am hoping that BB will get the HL-S5087W in soon so I could actually compare the 2 TVs but I am not sure they will carry it. C.C. lists they will have but BB doesn't yet.
post #233 of 21377
How long do these bulbs last exactly? I want this for a family room so it will get alot of use.
post #234 of 21377
kerrydare: There are many Chevrolet threads, too--does that mean that corvette shouldn't have one of its own?

Does it strike anyone as remotely curious that the Samsun g HL-S5679W doesn't have a thread of its own? No disrespect to anyone that is interested in any of the other Samsungs but is it reasonable to think that an LED DLP might perform a little bit different than others that are not LED?

I bet you the Sony SXRD marketing department feels there shouldn't be any LED DLP threads either!

Who knows--maybe there are people other than me that might want to know specificaly about that set without wading through this thread.

I wouldn't start such a thread though--I believe in reserved conservative behavior hare at all times!
post #235 of 21377
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Artwood View Post

kerrydare: There are many Chevrolet threads, too--does that mean that corvette shouldn't have one of its own?

Does it strike anyone as remotely curious that the Samsun g HL-S5679W doesn't have a thread of its own? No disrespect to anyone that is interested in any of the other Samsungs but is it reasonable to think that an LED DLP might perform a little bit different than others that are not LED?

I bet you the Sony SXRD marketing department feels there shouldn't be any LED DLP threads either!

Who knows--maybe there are people other than me that might want to know specificaly about that set without wading through this thread.

I wouldn't start such a thread though--I believe in reserved conservative behavior hare at all times!

There will be an owners thread for the 5679 once it is released. If there is interest, we could kick it off early and let prospective owners discuss what they have learned ... possibly call it an owners/prospective owners thread. I just don't think that very much new info is surfacing on the model.
post #236 of 21377
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Originally Posted by UCSB View Post

There will be an owners thread for the 5679 once it is released. If there is interest, we could kick it off early and let prospective owners discuss what they have learned ... possibly call it an owners/prospective owners thread. I just don't think that very much new info is surfacing on the model.

There already is a LED DLP thread here
post #237 of 21377
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Originally Posted by PioneerElite View Post

Just curious how would the new Samsung DLPS's 1080P compare to the 42 inch Westinghouse 1080P?

Larger viewing area ;-)

its really too bad there is no Westinghouse 60" 1080p monitor though...

anyone know how the HL-S6188 will/does compare with the HP MD6580n? They seem to use similar technology, and I'm new to the whole rear projection thing...

thanks
post #238 of 21377
Can anyone who has taken delivery on either the 6187 or 6188 quote exact physical dimensions? I'm particularly concerned with depth.

Thanks in advance!
post #239 of 21377
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Originally Posted by gadgtman View Post

Can anyone who has taken delivery on either the 6187 or 6188 quote exact physical dimensions? I'm particularly concerned with depth.

Thanks in advance!

These aren't exact numbers. They are just over 17" deep and about 55" wide (should be very close to the present 6168 specs). Looking at the side, there is about a foot on both sides where it angles out to the max depth so the just over 17" depth runs for about two foot less in width than the front bezel width (think five sided trapezoid from the top or bottom). Did that confuse you more?
Figure a stand might be close to 20" depth and 55" width. I don't have either of those models but have been closely following them.
post #240 of 21377
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Originally Posted by gadgtman View Post

Can anyone who has taken delivery on either the 6187 or 6188 quote exact physical dimensions? I'm particularly concerned with depth.

Thanks in advance!

These are the dimensions listed for the HL-S6187W at TVAuthority site;

Dimensions 55.3"(W) x 38.6"(H) x 17.6"(D)
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