Samsung 1080p Owner's Thread --- HLSxx87W/HLSxx88W DLP Models - Page 87

I know you are a well respected member on this Forum (I am among those that respect you), so I will probably receive some "criticism" for this reply. You spoke of those who "suggested a 56" screen"...my main point was that people WEREN'T recommending a 56" (or 50") screen like the questioner asked. Instead they were trying to convince him to go bigger.

I'm not saying that this would have happened, but if I had actually suggested a 46" screen there might have been those who would have criticised me for suggesting such a small screen. What I have observed on these Samsung threads (since becoming a member in February) is that there are a number of folks who believe that "bigger is better." (I have commented on this before.) There is absolutely nothing wrong with that belief, as long as one respects those who may prefer a smaller screen. In my initial response on this sujbect I was simply trying to make the point that we should respect one another's preferences and HDTVRookie was saying quite emphatically that his mind was made up on either the 50" or 56". Why should we try to convince him otherwise unless we are trying to force our preference on him?

Maybe I was being critical, but in my estimation I was using constructive criticism, and trying to really help a fellow member who was asking a very specific question.

Are any of you who recently received their new 6188s able to post any pics? Would love to see them, along with the settings you are using on this model. Haven't heard any negatives about the 6188s, so far. That's very encouraging!

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by HDTVRookie
Ok for those of you...who have samsungs this is for u.....I'm pretty much set my mind on the hl-s 5087 or the hl-s 5687....I'm gonna be about 12 ft in viewing distance and i do play a lot of xbox 360 ...which of these two models would u guys recommend.

I have had a 50" set for 8 months. At first, I thought "Wow, this is huge, I should have bought the 46", this is too big". We sit from 8 to 15 feet away. As time went on, I adjusted to the size. Now, it seems average, maybee small at times while watching a widescreen (2.35:1) DVD, or while watching football.

So Monday I will be picking up my new 56".
Hope this helps.

I'm curious about the number of colors that the new HL-S TV's can display.
Tell me if this is right.
10-bit color means 10-bits for each of the three primary colors in each pixel.
Thats 1024 (2 to the 10th) to the 3rd or 1,073,741,824 colors each pixel.
At 8-bit, there would be 16,777,216 colors / pixel.
How do the the extrs colors on the color wheel affect this, or do they?
This would represent a major upgrade over the 8-bit HL-R sets, correct?

Thanks for the kind words. I hope this old wives tale doesn't sound like criticism because that's not what I intend.

When one finds one's self with a shovel at the bottom of a sand pit, the first and most important thing to do is stop shoveling.


I read them as expressing their enthusiasm for a larger size screen than HDTVRookie had pretty much indicated by writing "I'm pretty much set my mind on ...".

It didn't seem to me that anyone criticized HDTVRookie for his question. If HDTVRookie got more "answer" than was useful then I'm sure he will say so. He may have not realized that 61" screens at 12" work for a large number of people. On the other hand, he may have other reasons for selecting the screen size range that he ask about.

To add to HDTVRookie's screen size database, I purchased a 50" set (to be viewed at 10') with an option to exchange it for a 56" set. When the time came to exchange sets I stayed with the 50" set because of several other factors not directly related to screen size.

We are getting along just fine with a 50" screen. When the time comes to upgrade, the new screen will be 61" and our, viewing distance will still be 10'.

OK I got video to work with my 8300HD. First I returned the old one and it still didn't work. I forced the 8300HD to go to 1080i from hitting settings, then hitting the yellow triangle for 'more options' on the remote. I still don't have audio and there was no 'hdmi' option for audio, so I will have to keep pulling my hair out, I want to use an all digital connection like HDMI!! Time Warner was of no help saying they do not support HDMI. Once in a while it went to a screen that said something like 'your device does not support HDPC' or something but a reboot fixes it. WOW They need to get their **** together!!!


Now, channels from 1-13 look like crap, non HD signals in general look horrible. They are fuzzy, and the border around the picture if i dont select 'streach' or 'zoom' is very annoying. I read somewhere channels 1-43 will look like this, and it's NASTY! Anyone have any ideas how I can connect the TV so that the non HD normal channels look good without having to keep selecting different inputs? This is for my parents and I don't want to confuse them with 'ok if your on channel 1-43 select coaxial and then hit pound to set the aspect ratio to normal or zoom if you like it then mom when you go to channel 1180 for HD please change your aspect ratio again and choose the HDMI input.....' yea no thanks, I'd rather return the TV and get a non HD TV than have my parents deal with this junk. Anyone have any suggestions?

Maybe tomorrow. I'm dying to fire up DOOM3 myself. I've already tried a few games - Burnout Revenge (PS2), Gran Turismo 4, Soul Calibur 3, Apex (Xbox), Guitar Hero, and Resident Evil 4 (GC).

The PS2 games, while looking sharp, lose points for low-res texturing and jaggies. GT4 in particular is a blocky, shimmery mess in 1080i. SC3 looks pretty clean, but suffers greatly from lack of texturing. (I actually much prefer it on a regular TV.) Guitar Hero plays great with Game Mode on - no lag that I could detect at all.

RE4 has me looking for the PS2 version (which supports progressive scan) or a component cable for my Gamecube. Yes, the game looks pretty jaggy through S-video; it certainly doesn't take advantage of the awesome pictures this set is capable of delivering.

I fully expect Xbox games, especially ones that support progressive scan - to perform much better than anything on PS2.

Really looking forward to an Xbox360 this holiday.

The cube version of RE4 supports progressive scan. What it does not have is a native 16:9 picture which the ps2 version has. Since the cube version is letter boxed, many people used the zoom option on their tv to crop it to 16:9 and fill the screen. The ps2 version is missing a bunch of stuff though, like the cow and some windows on buildings in the first town. It also doesn't control as well. I only got the ps2 version after playing the cube version to play the exclusive Ada story in the ps2 version.

Also, since capcom loves to port and release resident evil on every console in existence, i'm willing to bet the 360 and ps3 will see a good version of RE4 as well, since they are both getting RE5.

I love my stand! Its the bello avs 522 and it's about 21-22" tall, i think! My couches are about 18-20" high and looking up is great... Adds to the movie style effect I think! The viewing angle is a non issue, I see no real diference! Viewing distance is about 8-12 feet from different areas of the living room. The stand is also 52" wide, which makes the stand have about 1" of clearance on each side of the TV. Nice fit!

YES, XBOX360 is awesome!
All I had pics of is PGR.

Pics --- hls5688w

This may have been answered elsewhere on this thread, but the search tool didn't help much. I'm getting kind of tired of waiting on TVA to tell me if/when they will be getting in more HL-S6187W units in. The local Best Buy has a few in stock. I'm thinking about going to get the unit from them, but only if they will price match the TVA price. Do you think they will match the powerbuy price? What do I need to tell them to get the price match?

Chris.

Well, I exchanged my TV for a new one and the one I got isn't so hot.....I did an exchange on a 5088 because the rear coax inputs were heating up like mad (even after the TV has been off!).

Anyways, boxed up the old one and went back to the store and picked up a brand new one. When I got it home, I was very disappointed to see that the geometry wasn't quite right. The bottom left of the screen is about 1/4" higher than the right edge. Also, on the bottom right edge, there is backlight bleeding through onto the screen. I am quite disappointed. Also, the rear coax connectors did get hot, but I will check tomorrow morning as the TV will have been off overnight.

Well, I think I will request one more exchange. If the set still isn't near perfect (I can live with some geometry issues, but what I'm seeing is too much), then maybe it's a return. I don't want to wait for someone to come out and try to fix it during while I still have the 30 day return/exchange policy.

Sucks....I feel that I should have just kept the old one and live with the possibility of a hot coax that can cause meltdown or fire :P

Oh well, anyone else have these issues?

All I know is that I will NOT be buying a TV with CableCard if it's not 2.0..... Not that CableCard 1.0 is a negative about the 6188...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...44#post7763044

Last I saw the saleprice is still quite a bit higher than TVA. PM me if you have any luck. Per a salerep at Ultimate Electronics BB has a preferred relationship with Samsung so is getting first dibs on inventory. When they know they have it in stock when no one else does, I doubt they will drop the price much. CC in this area anyway doesn't carry the 61, so BB has really been the only option up until this point.

The Ultimate Electronics salesguy showed me the inventory screen that Ultimate is getting 96 of the 6187s into the local warehouse at the end of the first week in July. Their list price is higher than BB, so it should be interesting to see if that changes or if competition helps sale prices at BB. My thought is as more B&M dealers get inventory and other competing companies introduce their models, the price will start to drop and it should be relatively easy to get it at the TVA price by mid Fall. However, that is a long way off. With so few currently available and no online vendors getting them, I don't think it is likely to be able to price match for a while. I think you just have to decide if getting it now is worth the 300 to 500 extra that it will take to get it right away and not wait on the TVA list. For now, I'm still waiting.

I did email TVA tonight to find out whether the post on another thread was true that TVA will not be getting anymore 6187s in until August. It seems to contradict what I was told a week ago, so hopefully this is only misinformation. If its true I may have to reconsider as the Dish HD special runs out at the end of July.

I just bought an HL-S5087W yesterday. I set it up and the first thing I viewed on it was Call of Duty 2 on my Xbox 360, it looked great. Then I tried a racing game and wasn't as impressed because it looks a little pixely. Then I turned on Discovery Hd and was very dissapointed. It looks so pixely unless I sit 14' away. And moving water looks the worst I couldn't believe how bad it looked. I don't want to sit more than 10' away and I want to be able to enjoy 720p an 1080i signals. This TV doesn't seem to upconvert well and I doubt I'll own anything outputting a 1080p signal within the next 8 months unless I wait in front of Best Buy for 3 days or pay $1k on EBay for a PS3. Maybe I'll just get an HL-S4266W, it's only 720p but at least I wont have to sit 14' away. Or maybe I'll just but another HD CRT, I was very happy with my old Sony 30" except for the size.

I'm kind of surprised, Discovery HD looks great on my TV. Have you double-checked what resolution your cable is outputing?

What should it be? I think it's on native.

Try 1080i. How is your STB connected? What channels are you watching?

Does anybody know if the HL-S5087W upconverts every signal and even in game mode?

All microchip displays have to convert any input resolution to the set's native resolution. A 720p set converts everything to 720p. A 1080p set converts everything to 1080p.

Is an STB my satelitie reciever? if so it's connecticted to the satelite and antenna via coaxil and to the TV by HDMI. And I watched ESPN HD, ESPN 2 HD, Discovery HD, Universal HD, and HDNET. I'll make sure I try setting my reciever to 1080i when I get home.

How come standard def channels still look crappy than?

Because they have to upconvert more than HD signals.

That's at least part of the answer. The rest of it is that its going to depend a lot on your signal provider and the electronics of your display.

My experience with the HL-S5087W is exactly opposite of yours. Not pixely at all, at 11'. Discovery HD is breathtaking. As Davin suggested, I would check your feed.

I just put in an order for an "in stock" HL-S6188W. Shipping is to require 2 - 14 days. I would be happy to post pictures and answer questions if anyone asks.

still debating whether to go with the 6187 if I decide 61" is the way to go, or go with the 56" LED sets due out in August if I decide 56" is big enough. As my basement is near completion I will be debating it till the LED's are finally released.

What viewing/seating distances are you guys with 56" and 61" sets finding are ideal? In my basement seating distance right now looks to be around 10-11 feet, and the excercise area behind it (treadmill, eliptical, weight machine) vewing distance will be around 22 feet. Thanks for any input.

Nikolausp, you seem to have an issue with me. Please put me on ignore, like you said you were going to. Everytime I post you seem to have a sarcastic reply. I'm not so sure why you feel the need to do this. I have found most folks to be very amiable on this forum. However, for some reason, you have it in for me.

If it makes you feel any better and makes you back off, we'll be lucky to see sets with CableCARD 2.0 in 2007. I decided to not wait that long. If it bothers you that I am purchasing a 6188, please get over it. I would prefer you put me on ignore rather than respond negatively to all my posts. Life is too short, my friend, to hold a grudge. Let it go....

guys just curious on this. Are you able to get SD cable look decent if you use the Coax input? SD looked really awful on this set in CC so it kind of made me not want it but the HD picture is good to great.

Yep.
Yankee games in SD on the 61" (via coax) got my wife down from her bedroom lair where she used to spend evenings watching soaps.
The SD looked good enough to her (and to me).
Of course what looks good enough to some, may not suit others.

I'm getting a cablecard for her though

If I read between the lines correctly, he's a bit miffed that you appear to be backing away from your stance about avoiding cablecard 1.0, now that you appear interesed in the 6188.
I say welcome to the HL-Sxx88 adopters, and my sig goes a long way...

If you don't mind me asking, where did you hear that TVA might not be getting anymore 6187s in until August? I hope it's not true and I do find it hard to believe that they would leave people hanging that long, but I just wanted to read the post myself and keep my eye on it. Thanks.