Samsung 1080p Owner's Thread --- HLSxx87W/HLSxx88W DLP Models - Page 97

Hello and welcome!

Try these as a good starting point.

Digital NR - OFF
DNIe - Off
Mode - Movie
Contrast - 40
Brightness - 45
Sharpness - 0
Color - 45
Tint - G50/R50
Color Tone - Warm2

Here's a link to a DVE tutorial that Dave Abrams and I wrote that may assist you further.

DVE Tutorial


Sounds to me like the set's optics need to be cleaned. If it's not on the front screen (lens actually), then perhaps the smudge is on the inside (Fresnel) screen. One easy way for you to check this would be to remove the circular cover on the side which will give you access to the inner cabinet. Then, take a clean microfiber cloth and gently wipe the inner screen where you think the smudge is. You may want to have a friend help guide you. If that still doesn't resolve your issue, try gently wiping the mirror. If that doesn't do it, try very gently wiping the lens. Now if neither of those work, then your problem lies between both outer screens in which case you may want to get an exchange. This was the case on a clients 6187 a couple of weeks ago. We had to remove the entire bezel from the TV, remove the screens from the bezel, take them apart from one another and clean in between. Sure enough, there was a ton of "stuff" trapped between both screens! Then, there was the not to easy task of reversing the process. But I can be a glutton for punishment sometimes.

Eliab

Where do I get a DVE disk from? Is this from Joe Kane? Any info on this would be great... Thanks!

ez4me2,

Pretty much any on-line DVD retailer should have it.

Eliab

Heres the part that bugs me though, they didnt just use the samsung player:


How can you de-interlace a 1080i signal properly but not display it. Unless they are bascially saying that wobulated DLPs do not actually show you the full resolution so to speak. Thats how I took it. Technically, everything is de interlaced but on screen, all the pixels dont make it there. Thats is a big deal If you ask me.

Start here.

Eliab in User Calibration

Eliab on Using DVE

Hi all -

I took some pictures of my HL-S6188 last night, if you want to see:

http://files.filefront.com/TVpicszip.../fileinfo.html

The pics are not downsized, so the full zip file is 59mb for 27 pictures.

Enjoy!

nikolausp,

I'm seeing a darkening across the top and the bottom of your pictures (vignetting) and would like to know if its in the actual TV or in the way it was photographed. I also see some bowing across the bottom which would indicate that you're using a wide angle lens set up fairly close and this might account for the vignetting.

Please clarify.

Thanks

Someone recently posted that you can change the screen position of the image by slightly pulling on the set. It works.

My biggest gripe with the set was that the image looked slightly rotated counterclockwise by ~1 degree or so. When watching 2.35 AR movies, the top black bar was narrower on the right side and the bottom black bar was wider on the bottom.

I tried gentlely pulling on the top right hand corner of the set. Lo and behold, the image dropped slightly on the screen. I was able to coax the plastic case enough so that I now have straight edges on both top and bottom black bars. This didn't correct the pincushing, but I can live with that.

I think what might be happening is that because the frame is largely made of plastic, it might get bent slightly during shipping distorting the front screen. I am now very, very happy with the set.

Well, there's no way for the pictures to capture it perfectly.... or do it justice. nothing you mentioned is present in real life on the TV... as for the wide-angle... I don't know much about that.... I took the pics with a Canon Powershot G6, in full manual mode, with a 2.8 apeture, and varying shutter speeds to try and get a good light on the pictures... i'd say an average shutter speed was around 1/25 or so.
Amidst the negatives you pointed out, did you see anything you liked?? ;-)


Also note, the car picture is from Project Gotham 3 on the xbox 360... and the wedding picture is from CSI last night over cable via the QAM tuner. The rest of the pics are from DISH Network.

nikolausp - Good shots. Glad to hear that some came from Dish HD. How is the SD?

I have Directv and a HD Tivo into my 6187. The 6187 replaces a three year old Hitachi 57" rear projection. The Hitachi was the first HD set other than Elite or Mits. that I thought had a good enough std. def. picture for me to buy. The SD pic varied from very good to very blurry, depending on the signal. The 6187 is no better, and no worse.

I just got the 6187 (not the 5687) from Abt for a few hundred less than that. I live in the area and it was in-stock, so two days later I had a TV. I also got the 4-year extended warranty (with bulb replacement).

So far, it's very nice. I did Eliab's set of quick adjustments and the TV looks fantastic (the out of the box was not so nice). I'm just waiting for my Monoprice HDMI cable for the Moto 3412 DVR (using component for now) and Oppo DV-970HD to arrive on Monday today! (Just checked the shipping status.) I may never leave my basement!

Derf,

Let us know how the Oppo looks on the set-- I'm about ready to bite on this, but worried about the Macroblocking issue. Thanks!

Which OPPO DVD is best suited for this display? The 971H or 970HD or the new unit they will be releasing in the near future? FYI, The 970HD doesn't have the macroblocking issues, that's specific to the 971H unit which is actually considered the "better" unit.

I'd like to get rid of the overscan on my HL-S6187w . I'm ok with the color and everything else. I just want to fix the overscan. I've done this myself in the past with several Sony RPTV's and a Toshiba. Would it be that difficult to fix just the overscan myself? - past TV's I've been able to fix the overscan rather easily but I've heard these ones are a little more difficult. Any one have any links or advice on this? Thanks!

P.S. really loving the 1920 x 1200 PC input - looks great - I'm using the display to type this message!

Any of you HL-S owners without cable or satellite (only OTA) looking for a DVR that is HD?

I am reseaching this and having not having much luck..... The DISH VIP 622 looks like a winner, but it appears it may require DISH activiation.

Again, with simple OTA, what is the best HD DVR out there, as a practical matter?

I think it's a bit of a toss-up. The 971H is probably a better unit, but unless you feel like doing a lot of tweaking of your set (or paying an ISF guy to do it), the macroblocking problems sound like they are just horrendous on DLPs. The 970HD isn't as good (no Faroudja), but doesn't have the macroblocking problems (because it has no Faroudja).

According to the DVD shootout, the main issues with the 970HD seem to be things that won't affect me very often, if at all, so I'm not really worried. Plus, the 971H became the most highly rated DVD player after several firmware updates - the 970HD, being brand new, hasn't had the firmware polishing (yet), so I'm hopeful it will get even better (a new beta firmware is already out).

Of course I did.

I like the fact that you went to the effort to provide pictures to the forum.

On my HLS-5087, when viewing an HD signal with an OTA antenna and the picture set to 16:9, I am getting black bars on the sides. The set says the signal is 1080i and 16:9. Shouldnt the entire screen be filled? What am I doing wrong?

A more accurate way to improve an image leaning slightly one way or another would be to readjust the DMD module's position.


Glad to hear things are looking better. Take it up another level when you get your 970 by going through a DVE user-level setup.


Not nearly as much of an issue on the 970.


You can't get rid of overscan entirely but can certainly lesson it. My 5088 is set to about 1%. It needs to be done within the service menu. PM me and I'll show you how.

Eliab

Not necessarily. It can very simply be that particular program that's being broadcast at 1.33:1.

Eliab

I took delivery of a HL-S5687w a few days ago, out of the box the pq was excellent I was very happy with my purchase. Today I hooked up an htpc and while surfing the net I noticed small spots on the screen. They stand out when there is a white or very light bright background, at first I thought it was a smudge, so I took the supplied cloth and tried to clean them, but no luck. I started to think that maybe there was some dust on the lens, but when the tv is off I can see the spots while looking at an angle but there very faint almost unnoticeable. Even though while watching content the spots aren't noticeable it still bothers me that they are there. Has anyone else experienced this problem or have a solution, I dont want to return the tv if I can fix it myself. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated, Thanks in advance.

Any HDTV source will send you a 16x9 image regardless of the aspect ratio of the original material.

Program material created with HDTV cameras will fill your screen exactly. Most of the time the commercials are still SD (4x3, 1.33:1). The HD channels pad the 4x3 (1.33:1) image with black bars, then they send it to you inside a 16x9 image.

HD channels sometimes show SD material. It's treated the same way at the source by adding black bars to each side of the image to create a total image that's 16x9.

When HD channels show movies that are wider than 16x9, like 235:1, they either use black bars top and bottom, or they crop the image. In either case, you will receive a 16x9 image from the source. Your TV is just displaying the 16x9 image that it has received.

It sounds like there is some dirt on your screen. Since you cleaned the outside, it's probably between the layers or on the inner surface. The dirt might also be on the mirror.

I just read a post by Eliab that gave some instructions for doing the cleaning job yourself. I can't seem to find his post now.

There are access panels that you can remove to get to the interior surface of the screen and the mirror. Use a "micro fiber" cloth to gently clean the spots on the screen. If that doesn't work, clean the mirror gently. If that doesn't work the dirt is probably between the screen layers. That's a mess to do yourself.

If the first two attempts fail you can also gently clean the lens.

Use a clean micro fiber cloth gently.

Does anybody have HL-S5688W in stock and ready to ship?

I also am looking for a reasonable price for a ready to ship HLS5687W.

I do not see any... some sites show "In Stock" but when you call and check they really do not have them.

I assume this means Samsung has some issues with at least the 56inch size...

Does anyone know if there are supply or manufacturing issues?

Thanks for any info anyone might have...

Smudge cleaning tips.

I failed to mention that a good solvent for the mirror/lens would be Pancro Lens cleaner. For the screens I would use Screen Kleen.

Eliab

I took of the access panel and took a peak inside and there they are a few spots on the back of the screen. They almost look like water spots, I tried to wipe them with a microfiber cloth but no change they look terrible from the inside. I think i have no choice but to call the retailer or samsung, thanks for quick responses

after a tv is calibrated, should all adjustments be left alone? the reason i ask is becouse last night i was switching between two baseball games, both in hd. i like a bright pic. so i leave it set on standard, with contrast, and sharpness turned down. both were night games. i still had to make adjustments between the two channels. it seems as though there is no set standard. i make changes everytime i change channels.

Sounds like the culprit is between the screens. Definitely a service call thing.


With DVD and true HD material there won't be as much of a varience. With SD broadcast material, however, it's not uncommon for there to be a noticeable disparity from day to day, channel to channel or program to program! So minor user-menu adjustments may need to take place in order to compensate for the inconsistent nature of these sources.

In regards to standards, they have been established by The Society of Motion Pictures and Television Engineers (SMPTE). Unfortunately, most manufacturers and television stations don't always abide by them. But this is precisely what's so special about the current Samsung DLP displays. Once calibrated correctly, they'll abide to SMPTE standards more closely than any other RPTV in the market.

Eliab