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Originally Posted by ramenboy View Post

Evil, I see you have a PS2... any chance of getting your hands on a 360 to test on the TV? I'm curious about the lag issues with the 360 on the new HL-Sxxx series.

No lag on the Xbox 360..However, I did notice I couldn't get the colors just right on the component connection (most likely me). Either it was too dark or too light. I hooked up the 360 with VGA cables and it was perfect..
post #302 of 21377
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Originally Posted by moshmothma View Post

1. There is not ability to adjust tint through the user interface

Based on what I've read here, "tint" adjustments are not available on any of these digital sets for HDMI/DVI or component inputs. It seems that "tint" is no longer relevant.

I haven't seen one of the new sets, but our HLP5063 has brightness, contrast, sharpness, color, and tint. Sharpness is usually set to zero and DNIe to "off". Tint may only be relevant to composite inputs, but I'm not sure of that since I don't have any composite or S-Video inputs.
post #303 of 21377
jrkarp and I were wondering...

Has anybody tried to pass thru DD 5.1 from an HDMI source into the HL-Sxx87 and out the optical output to a receiver? Did it work?

Surely SOMEONE could test this out for us...pretty please?

Thanks,

Theo
post #304 of 21377
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Originally Posted by JakeSnake View Post

Let me preface by saying I have a 5679 on order.

I compared the SXRD to the 6187 at CC this weekend and was disappointed. I thought the SXRD looked crystal compared to the 6187. I was getting very nervous about my preorder on the 5679. They had just setup the 6187 and I know for a fact that the SXRD has been there for quite some time. Even the girl-friend I was with (who knows nothing about TVs) said (before I said a word) that the SXRD picture looked better. I am hoping that this is a setup issue. The 6187 just looked much grainer. I'm glad to hear you guys had a MUCH different experience. I will revisit in a few days to see if they have dialed in a better picture on the 6187. Anyone else have my experience or am I just nuts?

Thanks.

JakeSnake....... Your not loosing your mind, you are right on the mark with your observations. I did the exact same thing last week at a local CC. The sales guy & I both played with the setup's of both sets and I to came to the same conclusion as you and your girlfriend the Sammy is nice but it just does not have the same depth in the PQ as the SXRD. Naturally I got attacked because this post is pro Samsung, some said it was a different feed, some said CC did it on purpose so I would buy the more expensive Sony product. I think thats all bull s#%$$%t if you ask me, it is what I saw when I looked at both sets using the same HD discovery channel cable box feed PERIOD. I don't own either set at this point, so I have no bias towards either at this time. I will be buying in the near future and I to was very anxious to compare the Sammy & the Sony. The cabinet looked great on the Sammy but thats not why I would buy it, it's PQ that counts. I am still convinced that if the SXRD will fit in your space it still has the best PQ to offer at this time. I am planning on doing another side by side at my local Tweeter sometime later this week when they get the 88 series Sammys on the floor. I am trying to be open minded about this decision and I would love be able to save a few hundred bucks by buying the Sammy. But I am not going to let a few $$$ get in the way of buying the best 60" + or - TV available. Good luck in your search !!!
post #305 of 21377
I just got my HLS-5087 a few hours ago. So far its very impressive. I was concerned about the picture in stores because I almost immediately noticed picture problems (sparkles) on almost all sets I saw (4 different set at 4 different locations). I researched and decided it was likely due to poor signals. This appears to be the case, because I haven't noticed this problem at home at all (unless it is an HDMI only problem).

Comparing the set out of the box to my Sony 36XS955 and an old Cinema Series Toshiba HDTV (which completely died after only 4 years!) I had, it blows them both away (and I haven't even tried to configure the Samsung yet). I do have to say I really liked the SXRDs in the stores, but believe alot of that is the demo loop they run. But between the almost $1000 more MSRP and the ears that won't fit in my cabinet, I figure I can wait a few generations and be ecstatic with the Samsung based on early performance.

I'm currently running off of component cables. Is it worth it to contact Comcast and get a HDMI version of my STB? Also, analog is pretty good, but I've heard we went ADS... will having them move me to ADS improve the analog picture on these sets?

BTW, I ran some quick channel scans, and the set does not appear to have a QAM tuner, so this may be another difference between the x87 and x88 models (I think most folks believe the x88 will have QAM to support the cable card).
post #306 of 21377
I think there are more reasons than PQ that drives tv choices. I think generally the SXRD is regarded as the best in class for DLP. After careful researchc, I initially went with the HP 6580n. The PQ was fantastic and it was the feature set that drove me toward that purchase. However, for the same reason I would not get the current SXRD, the HP was as buggy as can be. I am hoping the sammy will turn out to be a great performer for me, not necessarily the best.
post #307 of 21377
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Originally Posted by gccjr View Post

I'm currently running off of component cables. Is it worth it to contact Comcast and get a HDMI version of my STB?

I think it's worth it to get either a DVI or HDMI output from your STB. Either one is fine.
post #308 of 21377
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Originally Posted by moshmothma View Post

I think generally the SXRD is regarded as the best in class for DLP.

The SXRD sets are Sony's version of LCoS not DLP.
post #309 of 21377
hey snatch, can you please post the settings you found best for your 87? i have one on order, my first HDTV, and would like that kind of help.
post #310 of 21377
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Originally Posted by John 61 View Post

JakeSnake....... Your not loosing your mind, you are right on the mark with your observations. I did the exact same thing last week at a local CC. The sales guy & I both played with the setup's of both sets and I to came to the same conclusion as you and your girlfriend the Sammy is nice but it just does not have the same depth in the PQ as the SXRD. Naturally I got attacked because this post is pro Samsung, some said it was a different feed, some said CC did it on purpose so I would buy the more expensive Sony product. I think thats all bull s#%$$%t if you ask me, it is what I saw when I looked at both sets using the same HD discovery channel cable box feed PERIOD. I don't own either set at this point, so I have no bias towards either at this time. I will be buying in the near future and I to was very anxious to compare the Sammy & the Sony. The cabinet looked great on the Sammy but thats not why I would buy it, it's PQ that counts. I am still convinced that if the SXRD will fit in your space it still has the best PQ to offer at this time. I am planning on doing another side by side at my local Tweeter sometime later this week when they get the 88 series Sammys on the floor. I am trying to be open minded about this decision and I would love be able to save a few hundred bucks by buying the Sammy. But I am not going to let a few $$$ get in the way of buying the best 60" + or - TV available. Good luck in your search !!!

One has to wonder what's going on when one writes of a stellar viewing of a Sammy in a B&M store and another writes, as you have, of a negative viewing experience. I personally have had BOTH experiences in the same store and with the same tv. That tells me there must be something radically wrong, for if the same tv looks incredible one day and horrible the next, there must be a variety of variables in the mix that's causing the difference. I will say that the day it looked bad there was also a "weak signal" flashing across the screen about every 5 minutes. So, perhaps the grainy picture I saw that day is to be attributed to that.

I take comfort in the fact that every member who has actually received a new set and is viewing it at home has given a glowing report of the excellent PQ they have seen. They have had to do a bit of tweaking (which is to be expected), but in the end they have all had more than satisfactory results.
post #311 of 21377
Greetings from a future HLS-6187 owner. I too am relieved that most of the reviews have been extremely favorable for those that have the units in your home. However I have a question about the "Game Mode" on these sets. Is it essentially a switch that needs active on the screen or can you assign in to an specific input?

Thanks in advance.
post #312 of 21377
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Originally Posted by JakeSnake View Post

Let me preface by saying I have a 5679 on order.

I compared the SXRD to the 6187 at CC this weekend and was disappointed. I thought the SXRD looked crystal compared to the 6187. I was getting very nervous about my preorder on the 5679. They had just setup the 6187 and I know for a fact that the SXRD has been there for quite some time. Even the girl-friend I was with (who knows nothing about TVs) said (before I said a word) that the SXRD picture looked better. I am hoping that this is a setup issue. The 6187 just looked much grainer. I'm glad to hear you guys had a MUCH different experience. I will revisit in a few days to see if they have dialed in a better picture on the 6187. Anyone else have my experience or am I just nuts?

Thanks.

I owned my (multiple) SXRD sets for 5 months and can tell you the convergence problems on some sets and the green blob as well as purple corners on black scenes all led me to the sammy. The convergence was a huge factor in how sharp or unsharp the picture was on the SXRD ( this varied from set to set); however after 4 sets in 5 months, I can tell you the technology is not perfect. Not to mention my first set developed a yellow discoloration that turned into a "yellow line" where the bottom 16x9 bar had been on the screen that stayed there for a long time. Other SXRD owners are reporting this as well, it seems as if the lcos panels may have a defect. Not bashing the sxrd as I owned it and wanted to like it, but in the end the technology seems like it is not without some major flaws currently.
post #313 of 21377
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

One has to wonder what's going on when one writes of a stellar viewing of a Sammy in a B&M store and another writes, as you have, of a negative viewing experience. I personally have had BOTH experiences in the same store and with the same tv. That tells me there must be something radically wrong, for if the same tv looks incredible one day and horrible the next, there must be a variety of variables in the mix that's causing the difference. I will say that the day it looked bad there was also a "weak signal" flashing across the screen about every 5 minutes. So, perhaps the grainy picture I saw that day is to be attributed to that.

I take comfort in the fact that every member who has actually received a new set and is viewing it at home has given a glowing report of the excellent PQ they have seen. They have had to do a bit of tweaking (which is to be expected), but in the end they have all had more than satisfactory results.

Please don't misunderstand what I said. I never said that I had a " negative viewing experience ". I just said that in my opinion the Sony had better PQ than the Sammy. I would not rate one a 10 and the other a 2 ( on a scale of 1 -10 ) I would however rate the Sony a 9.5 and the Sammy a 8.0 if you asked me to rate them. The Sony has much deeper blacks and the picture detail was better. They were both on the same feed side by side so please stop making excuses. I to wanted to belive that the Sammy would be as good or better than the Sony. I like the cabinet much better and I could save approx 500 on my purchase, sounds like a no brainier right ?? WRONG go look for yourself. But when you do you really have to have a open mind. I did say that I don't own either set at this time, but I have been shopping and comparing for about 6 months now. And anyone that says the Sammy is as good or better needs to have there eyes checked. The difference is clear, just look and be open minded.
post #314 of 21377
Game Mode is a switch that is global for the TV; it's not tied to a specific input. However, I have no use for it because there is absolutely no lag in any of the music games I have played, such as Guitar Hero or Beatmania. I am using a receiver for the audio also.

To people who are comparing the PQ to the SXRD, make sure that you either turn off DNIe in the menu, or change the display mode from "Dynamic" to "Movie." That makes a big difference in my opinion.
post #315 of 21377
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Originally Posted by John 61 View Post

Please don't misunderstand what I said. I never said that I had a " negative viewing experience ". I just said that in my opinion the Sony had better PQ than the Sammy. I would not rate one a 10 and the other a 2 ( on a scale of 1 -10 ) I would however rate the Sony a 9.5 and the Sammy a 8.0 if you asked me to rate them. The Sony has much deeper blacks and the picture detail was better. They were both on the same feed side by side so please stop making excuses. I to wanted to belive that the Sammy would be as good or better than the Sony. I like the cabinet much better and I could save approx 500 on my purchase, sounds like a no brainier right ?? WRONG go look for yourself. But when you do you really have to have a open mind. I did say that I don't own either set at this time, but I have been shopping and comparing for about 6 months now. And anyone that says the Sammy is as good or better needs to have there eyes checked. The difference is clear, just look and be open minded.

I owned SXRD's for 5 months and know the picture quality inside and out. You and I have opposite opinions; I found the sammy pq to be better overall. I may need to have my eyes checked ( I wear glasses), however, your opinions and my opinions although different are not wrong. This is a public forum that we all can share information on what we know or see etc... Please don't take it personally as each of us will have a different take on what we perceive to be "good" picture quality.
post #316 of 21377
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Originally Posted by John 61 View Post

Please don't misunderstand what I said. I never said that I had a " negative viewing experience ". I just said that in my opinion the Sony had better PQ than the Sammy. I would not rate one a 10 and the other a 2 ( on a scale of 1 -10 ) I would however rate the Sony a 9.5 and the Sammy a 8.0 if you asked me to rate them. The Sony has much deeper blacks and the picture detail was better. They were both on the same feed side by side so please stop making excuses. I to wanted to belive that the Sammy would be as good or better than the Sony. I like the cabinet much better and I could save approx 500 on my purchase, sounds like a no brainier right ?? WRONG go look for yourself. But when you do you really have to have a open mind. I did say that I don't own either set at this time, but I have been shopping and comparing for about 6 months now. And anyone that says the Sammy is as good or better needs to have there eyes checked. The difference is clear, just look and be open minded.

When I used the words "negative viewing experience" I was simply referring to the fact that you were disappointed in the Sammy and thought it was inferior to the SXRD.

As far as me being "open minded," you can read my post again and you will see that I speak of the experience I had viewing a Sammy one day in BB and the picture was terrible. So, I am NOT making any excuses for it, though I did allude to the "weak signal" flashing across the screen as a possible reason for the bad PQ that day. The bottom line is what I stated at the end of my post...those who have actually received their sets and are viewing them at home (after tweaking them in various ways) are very satisfied with the PQ of their Sammy. I am very opened minded to that!!
post #317 of 21377
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Originally Posted by twmatthias View Post

jrkarp and I were wondering...

Has anybody tried to pass thru DD 5.1 from an HDMI source into the HL-Sxx87 and out the optical output to a receiver? Did it work?

Surely SOMEONE could test this out for us...pretty please?

Thanks,

Theo

This doesnt work, period.
post #318 of 21377
Hello, I stumbled across these forums a few days ago while doing research on the HLS-5087W. I saw in previous posts there being a debate about it being 8-bit vs. 10-bit. Tonight while procrastinating instead of studying for finals I was browsing the samsung site and noticed they had changed the pdf to a 'final' one and it indeed says it has 10bit processing. New pdf: /Products/TV/DLPTV/files/hls5087_final.pdf
The old pdf is still on the website for reference: /Products/TV/DLPTV/files/hls5087.pdf I hope my post has been helpful since I have learned alot in my few short days reading these forums. Being 19 and planning on spending nearly all of my summer job earnings on this TV, I am glad I stumbled across this forum for research.
[It won't let me put in links for being new.. add samsung's website to the beginning]
post #319 of 21377
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Originally Posted by RichNY View Post

This doesnt work, period.

I'm assuming you mean that only 2 channel audio comes out of the optical out on the TV?
post #320 of 21377
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Originally Posted by Patsfan123 View Post

Hello, I stumbled across these forums a few days ago while doing research on the HLS-5087W. I saw in previous posts there being a debate about it being 8-bit vs. 10-bit. Tonight while procrastinating instead of studying for finals I was browsing the samsung site and noticed they had changed the pdf to a 'final' one and it indeed says it has 10bit processing. New pdf: /Products/TV/DLPTV/files/hls5087_final.pdf
The old pdf is still on the website for reference: /Products/TV/DLPTV/files/hls5087.pdf I hope my post has been helpful since I have learned alot in my few short days reading these forums. Being 19 and planning on spending nearly all of my summer job earnings on this TV, I am glad I stumbled across this forum for research.
[It won't let me put in links for being new.. add samsung's website to the beginning]

Thanks Patsfan123 and welcome to the forum.
I'll post your link for everybody to see
http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/D...5087_final.pdf
post #321 of 21377
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Originally Posted by John 61 View Post

Please don't misunderstand what I said. I never said that I had a " negative viewing experience ". I just said that in my opinion the Sony had better PQ than the Sammy. I would not rate one a 10 and the other a 2 ( on a scale of 1 -10 ) I would however rate the Sony a 9.5 and the Sammy a 8.0 if you asked me to rate them. The Sony has much deeper blacks and the picture detail was better. They were both on the same feed side by side so please stop making excuses. I to wanted to belive that the Sammy would be as good or better than the Sony. I like the cabinet much better and I could save approx 500 on my purchase, sounds like a no brainier right ?? WRONG go look for yourself. But when you do you really have to have a open mind. I did say that I don't own either set at this time, but I have been shopping and comparing for about 6 months now. And anyone that says the Sammy is as good or better needs to have there eyes checked. The difference is clear, just look and be open minded.

I agree with you. I own an HLR 5078w and I still think the picture quality of the Sony is much better. The HLR looks good but I am fairly dissapointed with the grainy quality of it. Maybe if I get it calibrated it will look better.
post #322 of 21377
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Originally Posted by Wiggin78 View Post

The HLR looks good but I am fairly dissapointed with the grainy quality of it. Maybe if I get it calibrated it will look better.

Our HLP5063 is ISF calibrated, and it doesn't look grainy with reasonably good signals. Grainy films look grainy, but that's intentional.
post #323 of 21377
Now that I have my 5087 on order I need to figure out a few things.
1.) Is there a good HD indoor antenna that somebody can recommend to get local HD channels OTA?
I don't want to climb up on the roof and install a roof antenna if at all possible.

2.) I am of course hooked on TIVO, and have been for years - in SD. Should I take the plunge and fork out $400-500 for the HD Tivo from D* or wait for the new MPEG-4 DVR from D*

Thanks
post #324 of 21377
So, I went to CC last weekend and maneged to compare the 60" SXRD vs the 56" 5687W. There was a baseball game on all the TV's, in HD......I'm assuming digital cable input. They were seperated by 2 or 3 other TVs, and were along an angled wall (meaning both TVs were not along the same wall). Not sure how else to explain the positioning, but from where I stood, I felt I had a great viewing angle to both TVs.

OK, OK, what did I think? Don't laugh, but I had a hard time telling which PQ was better. I stood there like a dork for a long time, turning my head back and forth between TV's. However, if I had to choose, I'd say the Sony was a tad better. Not much though. Certainly not a few hundred dollarsd more (when comparing both 50" models). I can easily live with both TVs anytime. I'm going to check another CC in the next few days during lunch to comfirm. Hopefully they have a different feed I can compare. Note: I did not change nor verify the settings on both TVs.
post #325 of 21377
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Originally Posted by uwsc11 View Post

Now that I have my 5087 on order I need to figure out a few things.
1.) Is there a good HD indoor antenna that somebody can recommend to get local HD channels OTA?
I don't want to climb up on the roof and install a roof antenna if at all possible.

2.) I am of course hooked on TIVO, and have been for years - in SD. Should I take the plunge and fork out $400-500 for the HD Tivo from D* or wait for the new MPEG-4 DVR from D*

Thanks

I have have the Zenith Silver Sensor (ordered it from Sears, IIRC), having read good things about it in the Forum; I've been quite pleased with it (and it's very inexpensive).

In my area, cable (Comcast) has better PQ and more HD than satellite services; this may change, of course, and be different in different parts of the country. Comcast also has a dvr with their stb; it's not as good as tivo, from what I've heard, but it does a good job for us. (My wife really loves it!)
post #326 of 21377
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Originally Posted by Midnight55 View Post

Greetings from a future HLS-6187 owner. I too am relieved that most of the reviews have been extremely favorable for those that have the units in your home. However I have a question about the "Game Mode" on these sets. Is it essentially a switch that needs active on the screen or can you assign in to an specific input?

Thanks in advance.

You can enable it for a specific input. For instance, if I plug my 360 into component 2 and then go into the setup screen for component 2, you can just turn game mode: on and it will stick with that setting. If you then change sources - for instance, I have the DVD in component 1, it will not effect component 1.
post #327 of 21377
87 Series Does In Fact Have 10 Bit Processing!
post #328 of 21377
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Originally Posted by JIMMYJAMMA View Post

87 Series Does In Fact Have 10 Bit Processing!

A post like that could use a little follow-through, I think.
post #329 of 21377
Just got my first HDTV yesterday (HLS5687) from CC.

I was going to wait for the 88 model but once the offical 10bit info came in I jumped on the 87. So far I love the looks of this TV, wateched a bit of baseball on sd last night and it looked good, hockey in sd looked very good. Watched a walk the line DVD off my denon progressive scan via component input and it was awesome.

I will be having Direct TV out on Friday to install a new dish for HD and a off air antenna. Once that happens I am sure I will not leave the house for a while.

see pic (yes, I know I have some cable clean up to do).
LL
post #330 of 21377
I have been on here for a while also and 2 weeks ago purchased the 50" SXRD from CC, love the picture quality (no green blobs etc) but was not happy with a few other things.
I was back in CC to check out the HLS 5087 they had on display.

They have the Sony on a DVR that is running a demo in 1080i, very clean video looks great, well they also hooked another one of these DVR's to the 5087 so each one was getting its own unsplit feed of the same demo. both looked great with the 5087 looking a bit more detailed with better contrast.
I have no idea how either one of these were setup, I know the SXRD is defaulted to vivid mode out of the box which, to me does not look very good (I changed all my inputs to pro)

well after seeing that and my preference to the look of the cabinet of the sammy and the 1080p inputs I am now exchanging the SXRD for a 5687 which they have in the warehouse but not in the store, hopefully I will have it by the end of the week and can report back after viewing some HD stuff I have saved on my DVR
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