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post #391 of 21377
a 27" JVC tv for the past year in my house. I have a preorder in for the HLS-5087(my first hdtv) and can't wait to get it. I think viewing distance is all personal opinion really. Some people on here would call me crazy for putting up with sitting from a 27" tv from so far away. I actually had no problem with it. I think it will take some time for me to get used to 50" but I think I can handle it
post #392 of 21377
Can you drop the center shelf enough to allow 12' vertical clearance? What is the vertical distance between the bottom shelf and the support for the top? How bad would the stand look without the middle shelf? Thanx for the info.
post #393 of 21377
I just ordered my HL-S5087W from TVA. I'm a bit bummed not to have PIP but not willing to spend an extra $500 for the 5088. I need PIP for the kids (I'd like to watch TV while the kids paly gamecube. Is there any other external way to get PIP on my TV ie.. setop box, etc...? Also, does anyone know if it's possible to buy extended warranties from a third party or do you always have to buy it from the store you buy your TV from?Can't wait for my new baby!! Thanks
post #394 of 21377
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Originally Posted by jef152psu View Post

a 27" JVC tv for the past year in my house. I have a preorder in for the HLS-5087(my first hdtv) and can't wait to get it. I think viewing distance is all personal opinion really. Some people on here would call me crazy for putting up with sitting from a 27" tv from so far away. I actually had no problem with it. I think it will take some time for me to get used to 50" but I think I can handle it

I'm sure you will enjoy your new set immensely. (I would be curious, though, to hear from you about 3 months after you've had it.) But you are certainly correct, size and viewing distance is very much a personal preference.
post #395 of 21377
I have a question on how the 87 series TV's turn on. When I turn my 5687W on, I get a picture and sound within about 10 seconds. However, the TV will not respond to remote commands or to the buttons on the TV. I am not able to change the channel, source or volume. Then after about a minute, the picture breaks up and the screen goes blank. After a few seconds of a blank screen the picture comes back on. At this point I can use the remote again. Is this normal? Should I be concerned?
post #396 of 21377
It is interesting to hear the views on screen size. I have a 51" Toshiba, I sit ~10 feet from the TV, and am happy with the size. However, I feel that a bigger set would provide a more enjoyable and immersed experience. I have ordered the 6187 but am still wondering if I should get the 56". I am still interested about the difference in PQ between the 56" and 61". Thoughts?

Second question, Consumer Reports did think too highly of the HD quality on the HLR, does anyone know if their perceptions are acurate with repect to the HLR and, is fo, has that been improved with the HLS?
post #397 of 21377
I've been going back and forth on screen size. I have the 5087 on order and I can swing the 5687, but it would be a bit of a pinch. Sitting directly across from the TV (where I normally sit), I would be about 10' away, but the loveseat next to my couch is much closer (the closest person to the TV would be around 4-5'), and there isn't much room to move it. I am going to be in this apartment for at least the next year, so until I move out and get a house, the viewing distance is not going to change. I haven't been contacted by TVA, so I imagine my 5087 wasn't in the first batch and I have time to change my order. The size of the 5087 "feels" right to me, but I really hate buyer's remorse.
post #398 of 21377
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Originally Posted by powertenor View Post

I just ordered my HL-S5087W from TVA. I'm a bit bummed not to have PIP but not willing to spend an extra $500 for the 5088. I need PIP for the kids (I'd like to watch TV while the kids paly gamecube. Is there any other external way to get PIP on my TV ie.. setop box, etc...? Also, does anyone know if it's possible to buy extended warranties from a third party or do you always have to buy it from the store you buy your TV from?Can't wait for my new baby!! Thanks

Tenor
Yes you can get PIP from an external settop box. Remember to order ones
with a dual tuner.
post #399 of 21377
Sorry to keep bringing the xx87 vs SXRD comparison up again, but I am hoping someone here can help me out. I'm still a noob when it comes to TV settings and signal quality. I was close to getting the SXRD until the Sammy PB came along. Lots of savings, and was wondering if the savings are worth the difference.

When comparing both at CC and BB (next to each other or a couple of TVs apart), the SXRD looks better - sometime a little better, sometimes more. This is especially true when when there are lots of dark scenes. For example, when watching someone's overcoat (black or dark blue or dark gray), the SXRD will show the features very well (like buttons, folds, creases, etc), but the Sammy is darker with no features, just black.

Another is how grainy the dark scenes look on the Sammy. The SXRD is extremely smooth. The bright scenes for both TVs are smooth and very comparable, althought the SXRD is a tad sharper.

Does this have anything to do with the settings on the TV? I did play around with the setting for the Sammy....and while it got a little better, it's still present. For those of you who bought and returned the SXRD, what do you think?

TIA
post #400 of 21377
Sorry to ask a complete "noob" question, but it is my first post. I have just purchased the 6187. There are so many ways to adjust these TV's that it is a bit daunting for someone new to all of this. Could some users please post the picture settings they use for different input sources. I know picture settings are a personal preference but I would like to try a few setups that different people use to both see how they look and to get a starting point for adjusting to my own preference. Thanks for everyone's help. These forums really are a great resource.
post #401 of 21377
I am thinking of getting a 5086 or a 5087 with a Sony upconverting player and was wondering what SD looks like on these sets. I do not have a cable box so I am assuming that I will only get SD through basic cable. If a show is broadcast in HD will I receive a HD signal?
post #402 of 21377
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Originally Posted by jrkarp View Post

I've been going back and forth on screen size. I have the 5087 on order and I can swing the 5687, but it would be a bit of a pinch. Sitting directly across from the TV (where I normally sit), I would be about 10' away, but the loveseat next to my couch is much closer (the closest person to the TV would be around 4-5'), and there isn't much room to move it. I am going to be in this apartment for at least the next year, so until I move out and get a house, the viewing distance is not going to change. I haven't been contacted by TVA, so I imagine my 5087 wasn't in the first batch and I have time to change my order. The size of the 5087 "feels" right to me, but I really hate buyer's remorse.


A 50" 1080p set should be fine at 10' and at 4-5' but any larger might not look as good at that close distance. Why not go to a store with both sizes and stand or sit those two distances away to see for yourself. Bring along a ruler or ask for one.
post #403 of 21377
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Originally Posted by wantatv View Post

Sorry to ask a complete "noob" question, but it is my first post. I have just purchased the 6187. There are so many ways to adjust these TV's that it is a bit daunting for someone new to all of this. Could some users please post the picture settings they use for different input sources. I know picture settings are a personal preference but I would like to try a few setups that different people use to both see how they look and to get a starting point for adjusting to my own preference. Thanks for everyone's help. These forums really are a great resource.

Your best bet is to buy Avia , DVE , or GetGray and do the user settings calibration yourself. This usually doesn't take all that long.

You would probably be more comfortable with Avia of these three, as it provides videos that explain the patterns and what controls on a TV typically are used to adjust for them.
post #404 of 21377
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Originally Posted by ScarletGrayFire View Post

Received my 5687 yesterday! I can confirm that the only cable provided is a power cord. But they do include a handy-dandy screen cleaning cloth!

On another note, I have my HTPC connected at 1080p via HDMI, and it's working great!

Are you using a HDMI to DVI-D converter to plug into your video card? What settings did you have to adjust on your video card? Download some 1080P source material from windows media and let us know how it loooks!

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...tshowcase.aspx

Thanks

tauran
post #405 of 21377
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Originally Posted by Grogmeister View Post

I am thinking of getting a 5086 or a 5087 with a Sony upconverting player and was wondering what SD looks like on these sets. I do not have a cable box so I am assuming that I will only get SD through basic cable. If a show is broadcast in HD will I receive a HD signal?

The only way you'll be able to get HD without a cable box with these sets is over the air. Check out AntennaWeb for an idea of what's available and what type of antenna might work best for you.
post #406 of 21377
People not surprisingly want to compare the SXRD (rear projection gold standard?) to the hl-s 1080p's before purchase.
Reasonable people would concur that both sets are absolutely beautiful to watch and to own - other than the most critical critics.
But.... it is very tough to do a compare in the stores because hookups, settings, etc., generally are abysmal.
So here's my suggestion (guess I'm tired of reading about this comparison).
Assume that the Sony is marginally better PQ - probably the concensus opinion anyhow.
All you need to decide is whether you want to spend the extra $500-1k for the Sony.
I voted with my money for the Samsung and its a stunning set - no regrets.

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Also - how do I save these threads as favorites always opening to the last post?
post #407 of 21377
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

djoberg: ... 10 to 12 ft from a 50" screen! And here I am watching a 73" set from ~ 10 ft and yearning for something BIGGER (and my eyesight is fine); thinking about a 120" front projection screen (though this would be viewed from ~ 12 ft since I gain the ~ 2 ft depth of the tv). It really is an individual thing!

I currently sit about 6 1/2' to 7' from my 50" Sony GWII LCD television, and I feel the screen is too small. I am planning on upgrading to either the new 60" SXRD or the 61" Samsung. However, I primarily watch OTA HD and DVDs and play my Xbox 360. I very rarely watch any TV shows in SD.
post #408 of 21377
Got my HLS6187 today and WOW is it nice. Wish they made a 73" though. I really like the picture. I got the only 87 model in BB, they hadn't even put it on the floor yet. They were bummed to not even take a look at it yet. I am running component to my HD-Sat, but wonder if DVI-HDMI is that much better a signal? I will go pick it up if is that much better. The picture is much better than the one on my old CRT, but looks much smaller than the old unit. This unit is very sleek and matches the stand and my Def Tech speakers. Hope everyone else is enjoying as much.
post #409 of 21377
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Originally Posted by slimmn View Post

Sorry to keep bringing the xx87 vs SXRD comparison up again, but I am hoping someone here can help me out. I'm still a noob when it comes to TV settings and signal quality. I was close to getting the SXRD until the Sammy PB came along. Lots of savings, and was wondering if the savings are worth the difference.

When comparing both at CC and BB (next to each other or a couple of TVs apart), the SXRD looks better - sometime a little better, sometimes more. This is especially true when when there are lots of dark scenes. For example, when watching someone's overcoat (black or dark blue or dark gray), the SXRD will show the features very well (like buttons, folds, creases, etc), but the Sammy is darker with no features, just black.

Another is how grainy the dark scenes look on the Sammy. The SXRD is extremely smooth. The bright scenes for both TVs are smooth and very comparable, althought the SXRD is a tad sharper.

Does this have anything to do with the settings on the TV? I did play around with the setting for the Sammy....and while it got a little better, it's still present. For those of you who bought and returned the SXRD, what do you think?

TIA

I don't think anybody can help you with that question, because it's a matter of personal taste and it's really difficult to compare in store (even if you can play with the settings). But if you want my 2c I would concur with you, the SXRD has a smoother picture and slightly better blacks, the Samsung has more vibrant colors and sharpness, it also looks like the SXRD handles all sort of signals better and doesn't suffer from microblocking while the Sammy does. But probably in your home without having to split the feed the Sammy should be able to do a better job and for $1000 less is by far a better deal.

By the way I saw the HLS-6187W and SXRD 60" side by side same feed yesterday.

P.S.: rainbows are harder to spot on these new sets, I was able to see a few of them only from white letters on a black screen and moving my eyes left and right looking for them.
post #410 of 21377
I went to BB during lunch to look for a shorter stand (the 22" stand was .5" too high). At my BB they have the 61" HLS right next to the 60" SXRD. I have always thought the SXRD had a better picture but I went with the HLS because of the price and because I figured that when it was home, not sitting next to the SXRD, I wouldn't know the difference. While I was waiting for the sales associate to check on stands in the back I decided to turn off the DNiE mode on the HLS. I was AMAZED at what I saw. IMHO I thought the HLS looked noticably better than the SXRD. The whites were brighter, the blacks were deeper and the colors were truer. A quick example: the store had a loop playing of movies coming out on On Demand. One of the movies coming out was the Bad News Bears. You could tell a huge difference between the two when the Bad News Bears title showed. On the HLS the bat color was deep and vibrant, on the SXRD it was much lighter. TBH when looking at the bat on the SXRD after looking at it on the HLS, the bat looked almost off-white.

The demo loop also had NCAA Basketball Tourney clips. I couldn't tell much difference between the two with the fast action basketball clips. I thought the semi-stagnent images (basketball floor, bench, rim, students) looked a bit sharper on the HLS but you would never be able to tell the difference if the sets were not right next to each other.

I then put the HLS in "movie" mode to see what difference that made. The screen looked darker than the SXRD but I was impressed with the contrast, the dark details, and the great color. The SXRD still may be able to display more detail in dark scenes, but it was hard to tell the differnece in "movie" mode.

DISCLAIMER: I did not play with the setting on the SXRD, so I don't know if it can look as good as the HLS when fiddled with.

I have been very selective about which TV I would end up with, I really wanted the SXRD but couldn't justify spending the extra cash. After reading some reviews of the HLR I had some minor doubts about the HLS' ability to display details in dark scenes, and its overall HD performance. But after my experience today all of my doubts have vanished. I am ecstatic to get my HLS set up.
post #411 of 21377
blovedc, I wholeheartly concur with your observations and opinion. While I do like the Sony better, I don't think it's almost $800 better (including EW cost for both). From what I can tell from the posters here, the image can be tweaked to get a little better pq. Unless the SXRD price drop a little more, I guess my vote goes to the HLS.

Thanks.
post #412 of 21377
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Originally Posted by beerman126 View Post

Got my HLS6187 today and WOW is it nice. Wish they made a 73" though. I really like the picture. I got the only 87 model in BB, they hadn't even put it on the floor yet. They were bummed to not even take a look at it yet. I am running component to my HD-Sat, but wonder if DVI-HDMI is that much better a signal? I will go pick it up if is that much better. The picture is much better than the one on my old CRT, but looks much smaller than the old unit. This unit is very sleek and matches the stand and my Def Tech speakers. Hope everyone else is enjoying as much.

First make sure that your hdsat rcvr takes HDMI - most do although 1st tier support tends to try to talk you out of using HDMI. Perhaps more important than PQ is
- via HDMI the picture format handshakes with the TV and you no longer have to switch formats, ever such as 4x3 to 16x19 - hdmi does this for you.
- of course, it also carries the audio on the same cable which is a real improvement.
- dont go DVI unless absolutely necessary because it only gives you a subset (the video) of HDMI advantages. This is another reason that I returned the Oppo last year; its only DVI.

At the same time, at least with last years model, you can still have a second audio out to an avr or whatever. At least with my SA 8300hd I can do this and it is very convenient. So the kids can watch through the TV speakers but when you want to experience Arnold gunning his motorcycle in T2 it happens through your home theatre system.
post #413 of 21377
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

djoberg: ... 10 to 12 ft from a 50" screen! And here I am watching a 73" set from ~ 10 ft and yearning for something BIGGER (and my eyesight is fine); thinking about a 120" front projection screen (though this would be viewed from ~ 12 ft since I gain the ~ 2 ft depth of the tv). It really is an individual thing!

Hey Bill...I know we have already covered this subject before in one of the Sammy threads and I still agree with you that "It really is an individual thing." The main reason I contributed this last post was to forewarn people that "some" may indeed be sensitive to the rich details of HD at a short distance. I emphasize the word "some," for the vast majority may not be bothered by it at all. I could have mentioned another member who wrote me a PM stating he was sitting 8-9 feet from a new 42" Sammy DLP and he was getting a headache as well at times and he attributed it to his eyes not being able to process the rich details of HD at that distance for any length of time (he said it usually happened after about an hour of viewing). A salesperson at BB (who happens to be one of the few who actually knows his stuff when it come to HD) told me just the other day that he and his roommate sit 10' from a 46" Sammy DLP and when he sits any closer he gets a bad case of eyestrain. Again, these cases may be rare, but they are possible.
post #414 of 21377
djoberg: I do admit that when I got my first 'big screen', a Sammy hlp6163 (I debated with myself about whether I should get a 50" or a 56", and by the time I finally made up my mind, I got the 61"!), I did have a feeling of eye strain, but it disappeared after a few weeks. And I've now evolved into this creature that can't get enough of the totally emersive viewing experience! (Hyabusha calls it the 'IMAX complex'.)
post #415 of 21377
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Originally Posted by dbburns View Post

I currently sit about 6 1/2' to 7' from my 50" Sony GWII LCD television, and I feel the screen is too small. I am planning on upgrading to either the new 60" SXRD or the 61" Samsung. However, I primarily watch OTA HD and DVDs and play my Xbox 360. I very rarely watch any TV shows in SD.

Whoa! That's close! But as I've stated in a previous post..."Different strokes for different folks."
post #416 of 21377
I've preordered an s5687 from TVA, but, with all the criticisms of the picture quality, was having second thoughts. Have been tv shopping extensively, and seen the sony sxrd maybe 8 or 10 times. It is clearly the class of the field, with a great picture. Aside from price, what's holding me back has been the crummy speaker design and lack of 1080p input. Directly compared it to the HP, wanted to buy the HP, but the picture quality wasn't nearly as good.

But this is a Samsung thread, and I digress.

So with my second thoughts in tow, and the possibility of a switch to Sony in the wings, I headed out to see the 87's. First stop CC, where they had recently set up the exact set I have preordered, the s5687. Separated from it by one tv(a dismal looking Panasonic), was the sony 60 inch sxrd, on the same component feed.

The Samsung was CLEARLY better. It was the only tv on the wall with white whites. It was brighter, clearer, had better detail. Now maybe the Sony was not set up optimally, but the Samsung's picture was just plain outstanding, jawdropping. And it probably could be set up better.

Then the salesperson asked if I'd like to see it via HDMI on it's own feed. He switched it over to the demo loop, and I just can't imagine a tv looking better. No sparklies. Just an astoundingly clear, bright, sharp picture.

So I have no second thoughts anymore. My 14 year old daughter was with me(and she also thought the 87 looked much better than the sony), and I said to her-- if you can't be happy with this tv, then you can't be happy with any tv.
post #417 of 21377
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Originally Posted by dbburns View Post

I currently sit about 6 1/2' to 7' from my 50" Sony GWII LCD television, and I feel the screen is too small. I am planning on upgrading to either the new 60" SXRD or the 61" Samsung. However, I primarily watch OTA HD and DVDs and play my Xbox 360. I very rarely watch any TV shows in SD.

I'm sure SD shows would look horrid for you and look pretty bad even at 5' from a 50" TV. There are still tons of TV channels in SD and some of them are pretty darn good like SCIFI channel, one of my favorites. Thus, the hand-wringing.
post #418 of 21377
i am in the market for a new tv and samsung's dlp's were never at the top of my list of candidates but i was at sears and they had HLSxx87W showing a dish netword HD demo loop and it was awesome ,clean,crisp,whites were white.now samsung DLP's are in the top 3 on my shopping list.waiting to check the new toshibas coming out soon.
post #419 of 21377
does the Samsung S5679 still produce any audible noise? I presume no lamp fan is needed, but perhaps the wheel and other electronics still make bad noise.

I like to listen to my TV with turned down volume, and my otherwise terrific Sony 60" RPTV does have very notable fan noise.

sincerely,

/iaw
post #420 of 21377
Well, my impatient behavior got the best of me. I've been drooling over the JVC 61FH96 and the 61R1U. I was all set to purchase it. 2 weeks ago, someone totalled my car. My hopes and dream shattered as I had to purchase a new car. Not to mention just spending 45k on the basement getting finished. Then came the TVA PB. I saw the tv at CC and 2 different BB's. The feeds were horrid, but good enough to make my decision. The SXRD looked better overall, but unless your running both tv's setup perfectly side by side, you'll never know the difference. I ordered the TV through the TVA PB. I went to BB again today and the salesman asked if I wanted to purchase it. I said, "I have a deal I don't think you can beat". He said, "try me". I showed him my TVA receipt and after 15 minutes and a few calls to managers he said, "we'll match the price, but I can't give you an additional 5% off and you'll have to pay tax". He then said they will deliver it on saturday for free. I couldn't pass it up. Although it was still cheaper through TVA, BB's had a more attractive warranty that included bulb replacement for less than $400 for 4 years and I didn't have to use a vacation day to receive the TV. The folks at TVA were incredible and extremely nice even though I cancelled. Unfortunately, they had mine scheduled to go out at the end of May.

I would love to see the SXRD and the 87 with the exact same feeds and calibrated. I have a strong suspicion that the SXRD would edge it out, but it's just not worth the extra $800-1000. Not to mention the SXRD's design looks horrible.
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