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post #4201 of 21315
7/27/06 at 1:55pm
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

That's the case right now. Samsung could change it at any time. I'm not predicting that they will, but they did change it for the "88" models.

How can they change it if the set is already made? I don't suppose you can upgrade the firmware...
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post #4202 of 21315
7/27/06 at 1:59pm
Is it just me or does anyone else see a light at the end of this tunnel and it looks like a large flaming train wreck just waiting to happen?
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post #4203 of 21315
7/27/06 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by Tarheel72 View Post

Is it just me or does anyone else see a light at the end of this tunnel and it looks like a large flaming train wreck just waiting to happen?

I see dead people.....

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post #4204 of 21315
7/27/06 at 2:10pm
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Originally Posted by rocko1290 View Post

It won't change the settings you've made in the service menu, only the ones on the user menu?

If you have a model "87" or a model "6767" Eliab's macro will turn OFF overscan for you every time you turn on your TV. The overscan option will stay off as long as you don't turn off the TV.

When Eliab's macro turns overscan OFF he has to do a quick POWER OFF / POWER ON cycle to save that setting and allow you to watch the TV without the SM menus superimposed on your screen.

Either Eliab's macro or you will have to restore all the User Menu picture settings because that "SM CHange/POWER OFF/POWER ON" sequence also caused the User Menu Picture settings to be reset to their factory settings.
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post #4205 of 21315
7/27/06 at 2:10pm
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Originally Posted by rocko1290 View Post

How can they change it if the set is already made? I don't suppose you can upgrade the firmware...

Hey Rocko. Spend more time reading and less time asking redundant questions. You have over 1,100 posts since Jan. 2006. That is just insane.
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post #4206 of 21315
7/27/06 at 2:16pm
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Originally Posted by rocko1290 View Post

How can they change it if the set is already made? I don't suppose you can upgrade the firmware...

I think Samsung can correct the problem by changing the firmware at the factory. In the past they have revised firmware many times during each model year's run.

My TV was manufactured in October of 2004 and has a different firmware version than sets manufactured earlier in the year.

Up to this point Samsung has never issued a firmware revision that user's could install themselves.

Examples where companies are very active in customer firmware upgrades are Toshiba's HD-DVD player and HP's DLP TV sets.
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post #4207 of 21315
7/27/06 at 2:17pm
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Originally Posted by rocko1290 View Post

How can they change it if the set is already made? I don't suppose you can upgrade the firmware...

Again, the consensus come to in the thread seems to be that a user firmware upgrade is physically possible on these sets and that it is done at times with other manufacturers, but that Samsung has never done this on their sets and is unlikely to start now.

An upgrade to the firmware of sets that have not yet been made is more likely.
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post #4208 of 21315
7/27/06 at 2:19pm
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

When Eliab's macro turns overscan OFF he has to do a quick POWER OFF / POWER ON cycle to save that setting.... Either Eliab's macro or you will have to restore all the User Menu picture settings because that "SM CHange/POWER OFF/POWER ON" sequence also caused the User Menu Picture settings to be reset to their factory settings.

That's the way I read it as well, which to me is way too much trouble. This doesn't relly seem like a feasible solution to me, especially if your main objective is to increase your screen real estate to keep logos, tickers, etc from getting cut off. I don't think it is that good for the lamp/power circuit to be cycling on and off that quickly or that often. Just my $.02 worth, which in the grand scheme of things is worthless!
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post #4209 of 21315
7/27/06 at 2:19pm
My local isf guy and friend zygmunt left about an hour ago and his services were outstanding as usual(this was the third set he has done for me) .
After hours of calculations and slight adjustments in and out of cca in s/m we were able to achieve what i believe as the best picture i have seen on any rear projection dlp tv period . I would like to thank zig for his time and exhausting effort to make my samsung 6188w the ultimate viewing source for the money Discovery hd will never be the same again it will be BETTER!!! Also would like to thank Eliab for all his informational posts for they were helpfull indeed I'm done gloating now back to discovery for me !!!!!!


dave
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post #4210 of 21315
7/27/06 at 2:21pm
Well hopefully this forum, or the XX87/XX88 tech links forum will keep people in the "know" on future firmware versions and what bugs they fix. That way, even if they aren't user available, people can call for service and request the firmware update. The TVs have a USB port, so you should be able to update that way.
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post #4211 of 21315
7/27/06 at 2:25pm
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Originally Posted by Tarheel72 View Post

That's the way I read it as well, which to me is way too much trouble. This doesn't relly seem like a feasible solution to me, especially if your main objective is to increase your screen real estate to keep logos, tickers, etc from getting cut off. I don't think it is that good for the lamp/power circuit to be cycling on and off that quickly or that often. Just my $.02 worth, which in the grand scheme of things is worthless!

The lamp & color wheel don't turn off for a couple of seconds after you hit the power button. The screen goes black because the set is just displaying a full black field. If you're quick and hit the power button again the image comes right back up. If you crank your brightness way up you can easily see this as the black field will be very elevated. In other words, it's not bad for the TV to quickly turn it back on after hitting the power button. If you miss this window, and everything does shut down, you have to wait (actually enforced because the TV will not turn back on for 30 or so seconds). It's probably more sensible to wait a couple of minutes until you hear the fans shut off to turn it back on, though.
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post #4212 of 21315
7/27/06 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by Tarheel72 View Post

...if your main objective is to increase your screen real estate to keep logos, tickers, etc from getting cut off.

When overscan it that bad you may need a repair. Most people report that they are not loosing tickers, etc.

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I don't think it is that good for the lamp/power circuit to be cycling on and off that quickly or that often. Just my $.02 worth, which in the grand scheme of things is worthless!

I'm sure that Eliab's macro would turn off Melody or he would do that as part of his calibration. Once Melody is OFF a rapid OFF/ON or ON/OFF cycle is possible. The lamp never get to the point of being turned off, and there is no possibility of damaging it.

The next time you turn off your set in a dark room watch the screen for a few seconds after you click the power button. I think that you will see the screen glowing for 2 or 3 seconds. The lamp is still full on during that period of time. That glow is also what messes up black levels. It's hard to get one of these light engines to stop light escaping when the lamp is ON and the DLP mirrors are all in the OFF (black) position.
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post #4213 of 21315
7/27/06 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by Stimpy3 View Post

May I suggest that you also disconnect all of your components (DVD, STB etc.) from their inputs on the TV. It's possible that one of them may have a leakage current problem and is feeding current back threw the input and locking up the controler board. Most components are not grounded and one with a leakage current problem will dump that current to the nearest ground, likely the TV.

Turn the TV back on without any inputs connected and see if it works then. If it does, connect one input at a time and try it again. If you get all inputs connected and it still works then it was a glitch in the TV. If it stops working, obviously the last component you connected is probably the culprit.
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One last thing. When you turn the power on with the remote, don't hold the button down until the TV turns on. Just hit it once and let it go. (Or am I reading you original post wrong?)


Hey all,

thank you SO much for the help . . . i unplugged the tv overnight, the did the reset this AM and it worked perfectly! don't know what did it, but i'm not arguing. anyway, i really appreciate everything.

brian
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post #4214 of 21315
7/27/06 at 2:46pm
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Originally Posted by mikeynavy1 View Post

Well hopefully this forum, or the XX87/XX88 tech links forum will keep people in the "know" on future firmware versions and what bugs they fix. That way, even if they aren't user available, people can call for service and request the firmware update.

Keeping track of firmware updates was a big deal for the HLM, HLN, HLP model years. It started tapering off (or I lost interest) during the HLR year. I haven't noticed people reporting their firmware versions this year. I think it's a good idea too.

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The TVs have a USB port, so you should be able to update that way.

That's true too, but Samsung may not want the extra expense and trouble. User updates to computer firmware can get people into trouble if they mess up the instructions. That might be even more true for TV customers.

I'm hoping that Samsung will change their mind.
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post #4215 of 21315
7/27/06 at 2:59pm
I'm thinking about buying this set to with my toshiba hd dvd and comcast hd. I will be sitting at about 9ft. Get the 61" or 71" thanks.
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post #4216 of 21315
7/27/06 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by mikeynavy1 View Post

Well hopefully this forum, or the XX87/XX88 tech links forum will keep people in the "know" on future firmware versions and what bugs they fix. That way, even if they aren't user available, people can call for service and request the firmware update. The TVs have a USB port, so you should be able to update that way.


I just got curious and went to the Samsung website, navigated to support, and did a search in the DLP section for "firmware upgrade" . I found a FAQ "What is the optional DLP upgrade" and the reply was as follows:

There was a special, limited time promotional upgrade that was available on our website from July 1st 2003 to July 31st 2003 for specific 2002 and 2003 models of DLP television sets. Customers who applied for the limited time promotion, which was available on a first come - first serve basis, paid $200 for the upgrade. The upgrade included the following features:

Discreet Codes for on/off functions
Discreet Codes for video input select functions
In addition to the discreet codes, the upgrade provided the following additional features for Samsung 2002 DLP's:

DNIe
Last setting memory for Aspect Ratio and Picture adjustments for each input

The upgrade is still available through an Authorized Service Center, however the cost is greater. If you would like to have the upgrade installed on your TV, click HERE to find the nearest Authorized Service Center.

Now I find this very interesting for several reasons. FIrst, it appears that Samsung normally charges for firmware upgrades as if they were a piece of equipment. Second, it had to be installed by a technician, apparently via some sort of an "upgrade port" referred to in another FAQ "What is the upgrade port for?". And third, it provided discrete codes, which in the HLS literature was supposedly addressed in the owner's manual, although there is no mention of it in there.

Now as we all know, the new HLS series has a USB port, so maybe this replaced the "upgrade port" in earlier sets. Maybe an owner of the earlier model could comment? Is there another upgrade port on the HLS? If so I am not aware of it so maybe the USB port was intended to be used for this purpose.

But it seems from the above information that Samsung has indeed developed firmware upgrades in the past that can be added to previously purchased sets, they just chose to charge for it (at a pretty penny I might add). There is no mention of any other firmware upgrades since this time. So it is possible that they might come up with a firmware solution, and it is possible that they might make it available to current owners. Given the current market trends and the capabilities of the HLS it might be possible for owners to perform the upgrade Whether or not it will be free remains to be seen.
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post #4217 of 21315
7/27/06 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by mczolton View Post

Hey Rocko. Spend more time reading and less time asking redundant questions. You have over 1,100 posts since Jan. 2006. That is just insane.

Hey zolton. Shut the hell up. If your not going to be helpful don't make dumb posts. FYI, many people have more posts than I do that were created in a shorter amount of time. And I do more than ask questions, I am more knowledgable on other subjects, so I go into those forums that I know and I help people out.
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post #4218 of 21315
7/27/06 at 3:12pm
I did a search on this but didn't see any info. For those of you that have had calibrations, and you ISF guys, I have a question. If firmware upgrades are performed, do they reset the values in the service menu? If so, does that mean that the owner would have to go in and recreate all of the changes that were made during a calibration? Are there any other actions that would reset the service menu or any other settings that were changed during a calibration? I don't like the thought of paying $500 for a calibration and then losing everything when I have to change the light engine or do a firmware upgrade. Just curious. Thanks.
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post #4219 of 21315
7/27/06 at 3:19pm
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Originally Posted by Tarheel72 View Post

I just got curious and went to the Samsung website, navigated to support, and did a search in the DLP section for "firmware upgrade" . I found a FAQ "What is the optional DLP upgrade" and the reply was as follows:

There was a special, limited time promotional upgrade that was available on our website from July 1st 2003 to July 31st 2003 for specific 2002 and 2003 models of DLP television sets. Customers who applied for the limited time promotion, which was available on a first come - first serve basis, paid $200 for the upgrade. The upgrade included the following features:

Discreet Codes for on/off functions
Discreet Codes for video input select functions
In addition to the discreet codes, the upgrade provided the following additional features for Samsung 2002 DLP's:

DNIe
Last setting memory for Aspect Ratio and Picture adjustments for each input

The upgrade is still available through an Authorized Service Center, however the cost is greater. If you would like to have the upgrade installed on your TV, click HERE to find the nearest Authorized Service Center.

Now I find this very interesting for several reasons. FIrst, it appears that Samsung normally charges for firmware upgrades as if they were a piece of equipment. Second, it had to be installed by a technician, apparently via some sort of an "upgrade port" referred to in another FAQ "What is the upgrade port for?". And third, it provided discrete codes, which in the HLS literature was supposedly addressed in the owner's manual, although there is no mention of it in there.

Now as we all know, the new HLS series has a USB port, so maybe this replaced the "upgrade port" in earlier sets. Maybe an owner of the earlier model could comment? Is there another upgrade port on the HLS? If so I am not aware of it so maybe the USB port was intended to be used for this purpose.

But it seems from the above information that Samsung has indeed developed firmware upgrades in the past that can be added to previously purchased sets, they just chose to charge for it (at a pretty penny I might add). There is no mention of any other firmware upgrades since this time. So it is possible that they might come up with a firmware solution, and it is possible that they might make it available to current owners. Given the current market trends and the capabilities of the HLS it might be possible for owners to perform the upgrade Whether or not it will be free remains to be seen.

I think the upgrade port is just the service port for accessing the service menu for calibration. Maybe they're just calling it the upgrade port in this situation.
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post #4220 of 21315
7/27/06 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by Tarheel72 View Post

I did a search on this but didn't see any info. For those of you that have had calibrations, and you ISF guys, I have a question. If firmware upgrades are performed, do they reset the values in the service menu? If so, does that mean that the owner would have to go in and recreate all of the changes that were made during a calibration? Are there any other actions that would reset the service menu or any other settings that were changed during a calibration? I don't like the thought of paying $500 for a calibration and then losing everything when I have to change the light engine or do a firmware upgrade. Just curious. Thanks.

So you have to access the service menu to change the lamp? Hopefully that wouldn't harm your calibrated settings, cause that is kind of a routine thing.
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post #4221 of 21315
7/27/06 at 3:22pm
For everyone interested in overscan and HL-S5087W. I have an HL-S5087W that I got 3 days ago. It has a June build date on the placard on the back. Just this evening I went into the SM and turned off overscan. My set seems to retain that setting. I verified it with the overscan test patter in the DVE disc. I had that running when I turned it off and noticed I went from ~5% to maybe 2% I then kept that screen up and turned off the TV. Waited a little while. Turned it back on and had the same ~2% overscan. I then turned everything off for a few minutes and then back on and again had the ~2% overscan.

Again, that's an HL-S5087W, June build date.
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post #4222 of 21315
7/27/06 at 3:49pm
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Originally Posted by bshockley View Post

Again, that's an HL-S5087W, June build date.

Someone else has had the same experience but after a few days the overscan setting reset itself.

If Samsung has changed the firmware then maybe yours will last. Keep a watch on it. The other test you can do is get a 1920x1080 test pattern with alternating black and white pixels. If that pattern is sharp then you have 1x1 pixel mapping.

Everyone is going to be interested in your set for the next several days.
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post #4223 of 21315
7/27/06 at 3:50pm
Found out today that the new Samsung's (7178W, 6188W, 5688W, 5088W) are using the newest DLP DMD chips from TI. These new chips have a response time of .06ms!! That's 37 times faster than the new A2000 and XBR2 sets from Sony.

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The DLP chip is faster than any HDTV technology, with the mirrors switching on & off 15,000 times a second to deliver a razor-sharp picture for fast moving images

Source: http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/D...S7178WXXAA.asp
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post #4224 of 21315
7/27/06 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by rocko1290 View Post

So you have to access the service menu to change the lamp?

I think that you are confusing the "light engine" with the "lamp". Lamps can be changed without changing the light engine.
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post #4225 of 21315
7/27/06 at 3:51pm
bshockley, some have reported that their 87 series TV retained the "overscan off" setting for a couple of days, but at some point it reverted to "on." Please keep us posted as to whether your TV continues to retain the "off" setting. I have my fingers crossed for you (And me. I have a 5687 with a June build date. )
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post #4226 of 21315
7/27/06 at 4:08pm
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Originally Posted by Tarheel72 View Post

If firmware upgrades are performed, do they reset the values in the service menu?

Samsung doesn't do field upgrades so while it's possible that a firmware revision would change some values in the SM it wouldn't have to.

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If so, does that mean that the owner would have to go in and recreate all of the changes that were made during a calibration?

I had my set ISF calibrated and I recorded all the settings before and all the changes after. I thought it was a good idea. I didn't do it because I thought Samsung would change my firmware, because there is no indication that they would.

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Are there any other actions that would reset the service menu or any other settings that were changed during a calibration?

The firmware is stored on the digital board. If that board fails then it would be nice to have records of what was in your SM. Any new digital board would probably have a different firmware version but that's not certain.

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I don't like the thought of paying $500 for a calibration and then losing everything when I have to change the light engine or do a firmware upgrade. Just curious. Thanks.

Changing the light engine would make some differences in what you would see. You can't change the firmware except if you need a new digital board. That's rare.

SethS said he would recalibrate at a reduced price, but that would probably depend on the circumstances.

The main reason for waiting to calibrate a new TV is to get past the early failure period.

If you were unlucky enough to need repairs that effected the SM settings that were adjusted in a calibration (it's only a select few), reentering your calibrated settings would probably get back most of your calibrated PQ.
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post #4227 of 21315
7/27/06 at 4:09pm
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Originally Posted by Rijax View Post

bshockley, some have reported that their 87 series TV retained the "overscan off" setting for a couple of days, but at some point it reverted to "on." Please keep us posted as to whether your TV continues to retain the "off" setting. I have my fingers crossed for you (And me. I have a 5687 with a June build date. )

You two should compare and post your firmware versions.
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post #4228 of 21315
7/27/06 at 4:29pm
I have the 5087 and need an HDMI switch. Will the tv remember the settings for each of the HDMI ports on the HDMI switch ???
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post #4229 of 21315
7/27/06 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by GR1MM View Post

I have the 5087 and need an HDMI switch. Will the tv remember the settings for each of the HDMI ports on the HDMI switch ???

Nope... but I believe you can use the user menu and set one of the 'modes' to match each device (vivid, pro, movie etc etc). Just select the mode that matches the device.
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post #4230 of 21315
7/27/06 at 4:49pm
I have been hearing that component from dvd to tv looks better than HDMI anyone have any thoughts on this?
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