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post #9031 of 21377
Is there any way to correct the pin cushioning effect on a HL-S5687W on your own? This is my SECOND 87W (the first one was returned becuase of a large annoying smudge iniside the screen). My last set did not have any pin cushioning that I could see - this replacement is very noticeable, especially at the bottom of the 4:3 screens (bows out). Looks like it might be more than 1/4" but I have yet to measure. Nevertheless, it is driving me crazy and my eyes keep wandering over to the bottom edges to see the distortion.
post #9032 of 21377
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Originally Posted by Blade2000 View Post

Is there any way to correct the pin cushioning effect on a HL-S5687W on your own? This is my SECOND 87W (the first one was returned becuase of a large annoying smudge iniside the screen). My last set did not have any pin cushioning that I could see - this replacement is very noticeable, especially at the bottom of the 4:3 screens (bows out). Looks like it might be more than 1/4" but I have yet to measure. Nevertheless, it is driving me crazy and my eyes keep wandering over to the bottom edges to see the distortion.

See if the screen bows in. See my other posts.

Carl
post #9033 of 21377
Per a request, I updated the "What's Inside" thread to include shots of the service menu screens;

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=674513
post #9034 of 21377
Yes, the screen appears to bow in (at least the inside screen). I can notice the bowing if I look down into the screen fron close range. It is most noticeable on 4:3 pictures becuase the side bars bend out towards the bottom. I think it might alos impact my widescreen picture to some degree as well.

Is there a setting somewhere that can adjust (or compensate) for this? I hate to have a technican come to "fix" this, especially on a new set - and the second of the same model. This is really disappointing.

Is there a specific link you have posted that addresses this? I looked through some of your posts but did not see one that details if it can be corrected. Thanks for the help.
post #9035 of 21377
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Originally Posted by CPTuell View Post

jcb68 & htwaits, Yes, Eliab told me about that after the calibration. It is the first thing I tried but, It did not have any effect. It seems at least to this point only disconnect and reconnect works. Eliab is calling me tomorrow evening to check some things in the service menu and check it using DVE disc. Hopefully we'll figure something out.

Thanks for the replys.

Keep us posted on the results of your discussion with Eliab. I just ordered a 7178 due here Monday and now this has me worried. I worry too much most likely.

Gizmo Joe
post #9036 of 21377
For those of you that have had your set calibrated, how many of you had your set focused during the calibration?

Just curious with all this talk of calibrations.
post #9037 of 21377
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Originally Posted by curlyjive View Post

For those of you that have had your set calibrated, how many of you had your set focused during the calibration?

Just curious with all this talk of calibrations.

My 6188 required ring focus to be adjusted.
post #9038 of 21377
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Originally Posted by scsiraid View Post

My 6188 required ring focus to be adjusted.


I know that Eliab has said most of them do, and I believe he includes it as part of the tier II package. I am pretty sure I need some adjustment. It's not way off, but a little soft. Did it take a while to do....looks like a pain!

Anyone else?
post #9039 of 21377
Blade2000; doubtful except to try another set.
post #9040 of 21377
Is there a focus adjustment in the SM or would I have to call someone like a Samsung Tech or a calibrator to fix it inside the set?
post #9041 of 21377
It's a physical adjustment. I have not done it, but from what I have read it can be done quickly and the biggest pain is having someone else be there with you to check the focus while you play with the knob.
post #9042 of 21377
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Originally Posted by TWD View Post

CPTuell,

I noticed this on my set as well and I watch in Movie mode which always shows Dnie off. I notice it when I put a VP-30 (videio processor) menu on the screen. The letters have edge enhancement. I am not sure when it happens; maybe on power on. I can easily get rid of it by changing the Mode from Movie to Standard or Dynamic and then back to Movie.

PS - I have a 5688 with an August build.

TWD, Thanks for the reply. I haven't tried switch modes back and forth yet. I'll give that a shot tonight. So far only disconnecting power and reconnecting has worked.

I will post updates as to the progress made on correcting or getting a work around on this glitch.
post #9043 of 21377
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Originally Posted by curlyjive View Post

For those of you that have had your set calibrated, how many of you had your set focused during the calibration?

Just curious with all this talk of calibrations.

curlyjive, Yes my focus had to be adjusted. It to Eliab about 5 minutes includeing removing the lower back panel.

Gizmojoe, I will update
post #9044 of 21377
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Originally Posted by CPTuell View Post

curlyjive, Yes my focus had to be adjusted. It to Eliab about 5 minutes includeing removing the lower back panel.

Gizmojoe, I will update

5 minutes...wow how did he do it? Did he use a mirror?
post #9045 of 21377
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Originally Posted by bchboy1206 View Post

OUCH! That's a HD-A1 player and a handful movies. I saw the Samsungs in the store and I was pretty blown away with the picture quality especially when compared to other makes. I can't fathom the change in PQ being that drastic, and actually worth $600.00.

No offense but I will need to compare a calibrated set to the ones I have seen on display so I can see for myself if that price should even be considered.

No offense taken. This depends on you. Most people here or whoever bought the Samsung, didnt do the calibration, so I expect this reaction about the price tag of the calibration. I was shocked at first and didnt want to pay it for three months, before I bit the bullet and just did it. I didnt have anything to compare from, I just heard really good things about it and tried it for myself. Was I scared? HELL yeah I was for 600 bones, it got me shaken in my boots. After all said and done, I am so happy that I got it done. It doesn make a difference, that is for sure.
post #9046 of 21377
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Originally Posted by bchboy1206 View Post

OUCH! That's a HD-A1 player and a handful movies. I saw the Samsungs in the store and I was pretty blown away with the picture quality especially when compared to other makes. I can't fathom the change in PQ being that drastic, and actually worth $600.00.

No offense but I will need to compare a calibrated set to the ones I have seen on display so I can see for myself if that price should even be considered.

No offense taken. This depends on you. Most people here or whoever bought the Samsung, didnt do the calibration, so I expect this reaction about the price tag of the calibration. I was shocked at first and didnt want to pay it for three months, before I bit the bullet and just did it. I didnt have anything to compare from, I just heard really good things about it and tried it for myself. Was I scared? HELL yeah I was for 600 bones, it got me shaken in my boots. After all said and done, I am so happy that I got it done. It does make a difference, that is for sure.
post #9047 of 21377
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Originally Posted by scsiraid View Post

My 6188 required ring focus to be adjusted.

My ring focus had to adjusted just a little bit during the calibration.
post #9048 of 21377
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Originally Posted by curlyjive View Post

5 minutes...wow how did he do it? Did he use a mirror?

curlyjive: Well maybe more like 7 minutes ;} Yes he used a mirror.
post #9049 of 21377
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

1. It's not required that anyone get their wide screen micro chip HDTV calibrated. The vast majority don't even know such a service exists.

2. Not many people if any would have a $400 CRT TV calibrated.

3. Some people had there big screen CRT RPTV sets calibrated, and modified to get the most out of them.

4. There are some people who have someone else (for a fee) build them high end computers for various reasons -- gaming and video processing being two.

5. Many people are very right to be happy with $600 E-Machines.

6. Some people feel that their $3000 or more HDTV sets are worth having calibrated.

7. Discussing the merits of ISF calibration is a valid topic in an owner's thread. Those who aren't interested in the topic needn't be bothered by it.

8. It's not required that anyone get their wide screen micro chip HDTV calibrated. The vast majority don't even know such a service exists.

9. I enjoy my 2004 calibrated DLP TV.

Enjoy.

Htwaits,
You make some valid points here, however, the PQ does look better, I am serious about that. Not only was my TV calibrated but Daivd added Black Velux inside the set to make it black. The inside of the sets 2004-2005, MAYBE 2006'S are gray and this is shown on the black scenes of the picture. I am dead serious about this, that you can't see the deep rich black like it was meant to be because the sets inside are gray. Besides the adding of the velux material, the inputs needs to be set per what you have connected to them.

Overall, there is a difference all the way around with PQ, focus ring, Contrast, Tint, Color, black levels, and rainbows. After my set was calibrated, I had no more raindow effect at all. I even try to see it and can't. My wife, neighbors and friends can't even see the rainbow effect.
I am in favor in having a DLP calibrated and only the DLP sets, especially the ones that are just thrown together at the facotry and not set right.

THIS IS ALL MY OPINION AND NOTHING MORE OK!!!
post #9050 of 21377
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Originally Posted by curlyjive View Post

For those of you that have had your set calibrated, how many of you had your set focused during the calibration?

Just curious with all this talk of calibrations.

In my calibration, I believe Eliab indicated that he checked and, in my case, the set's focus did not need to be adjusted.
post #9051 of 21377
Hello everyone,
I've been reading the forum for a while and finally got my 6187. I absolutely love it and can't wait to have it tweaked by Eliab's company. Right now I'm using his initial settings - wow!

But I do have an issue - I noticed that the bottom horizontal plastic bar (where the Samsung logo is placed) seems to warp to the middle - almost an arc instead of a straight piece of plastic. Is this normal?? Does anyone else have this?

I searched the forum and couldn't find anyone with this issue.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Jason
post #9052 of 21377
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Originally Posted by affectfilms View Post

Hello everyone,
I've been reading the forum for a while and finally got my 6187. I absolutely love it and can't wait to have it tweaked by Eliab's company. Right now I'm using his initial settings - wow!

But I do have an issue - I noticed that the bottom horizontal plastic bar (where the Samsung logo is placed) seems to warp to the middle - almost an arc instead of a straight piece of plastic. Is this normal?? Does anyone else have this?

I searched the forum and couldn't find anyone with this issue.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Jason

Yeah I noticed this too....seems to be the way all of them are. The cases are flimsy.
post #9053 of 21377
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Originally Posted by jcb68 View Post

In my calibration, I believe Eliab indicated that he checked and, in my case, the set's focus did not need to be adjusted.

Hmm.. I wonder how he checks it to see if it is "on"
post #9054 of 21377
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Originally Posted by twinkdogg View Post

So will a good calibration on these sets get rid of that kind of pixelation you see when you get up real close to the screen? (1ft or less) Or is that dependent on the source?

For my set up, after the calibration was done, the set not only looks better all the way around, but when you look at the TV from 1 foot away or 10 feet away, it looks the same. No PQ distoration at all, at least for me on my set. I have no pixelation at all.
post #9055 of 21377
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Originally Posted by StallionRe View Post

No offense taken. This depends on you. Most people here or whoever bought the Samsung, didnt do the calibration, so I expect this reaction about the price tag of the calibration. I was shocked at first and didnt want to pay it for three months, before I bit the bullet and just did it. I didnt have anything to compare from, I just heard really good things about it and tried it for myself. Was I scared? HELL yeah I was for 600 bones, it got me shaken in my boots. After all said and done, I am so happy that I got it done. It doesn make a difference, that is for sure.

stallionre: I agree. I haven't had a chance to watch a DVD movie yet. The thing I've noticed most since calibration watching HD and standard network programs it the major improvement in skin tones and detail. Before calibration all light skinned faces looked reddish. After calibration you can see the subtle differences in in the complextion between caucasian, hispanic, asian...ect,ect. The faces do not appear splotchy or oversaturated and the detail is great....whiskers, pours, zits and all....well maybe too much detail is not good all the time. My wife noticed a zit on the nose of the MD on Greys Anatomy last night...It was the guy all the women are hot for.....;}
post #9056 of 21377
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Originally Posted by Tarheel72 View Post

Well, most people pull the trigger or take the plunge. A few dive in. But this poor soul broke down. Have we been too hard on him?

As for calibratin, I hesitate to get involved in this as I know I will get my hand slapped, so this is the one and only comment. I verified with calibrators on this forum that a properly calibrated and maintained display should be recalibrated annually and always after a part, including the bulb, is replaced. Now it was offered that you might receive a discount on the subsequent housecall, if it is the result of a replacement part, but not sure if that would apply if had been a year or more. And if the calibrator is out of the area, then you are at the mercy of their travel schedule.

Using a cost of $500 for calibration, and assuming a new bulb every other year or so at $200 a pop, you are looking at about $600 a year in maintenance costs for the TV, or $50 a month, to get the most out of it. I am not sure about most of you, but I don't have an extra $50 bucks a month to pay for TV maintenance. I personally would love to get my TV calibrated, I am 100% positive it would make the picture look better. But I am not willing to take the chance that my TV will not have any problems until I need a bulb replacement, and after that I start to lose the benefits of the calibration at some rate to be determined. For these reasons, calibration is out of my reach, but I do enjoy the picture I have. So I am satisfied with what I have for now. Not to mention the fact that my wife would kill me.

It wouldn't cost you that much a month. Say a bulb in 2-3 years, they are not $200.00, I got mine for cheaper than that, also in 2-3 years, the bulbs should be less than $100.00, as for the re-calibration, David said it was much cheaper to make some adjustments after the bulb was changed. He didn't tell me a price, but maybe $300.00, that is ok with me. He even said that after you change the bulb, your set might even NOT need a re-calibration. It depends on the PQ at that time.

The first initial calibration should be done. That is what I feel, heard and read. This is up to you. I am only stating my opinion and trying not to Persuade anyone about a calibration.
post #9057 of 21377
well after a few emails with samsung about the overscan problem, they are telling me that there is no firmware update available now for the tv and that I need a tech to come out and look at it....so hopefully next week i can get a tech to my place and hopefully we can get the ball rolling on a firmware update for the 87 series...i will keep you all posted
post #9058 of 21377
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Originally Posted by StallionRe View Post

It wouldn't cost you that much a month. Say a bulb in 2-3 years, they are not $200.00, I got mine for cheaper than that, also in 2-3 years, the bulbs should be less than $100.00, as for the re-calibration, David said it was much cheaper to make some adjustments after the bulb was changed. He didn't tell me a price, but maybe $300.00, that is ok with me. He even said that after you change the bulb, your set might even NOT need a re-calibration. It depends on the PQ at that time.

The first initial calibration should be done. That is what I feel, heard and read. This is up to you. I am only stating my opinion and trying not to Persuade anyone about a calibration.

Please fill us in on where you are finding the bulb that cheap....

Samsung direct is actually the cheapest I found...

BP96-01472A

Part Number: BP96-01472A
Division: TV
Description: ASSY LAMP P
Stock Availability: In-Stock
Price: $198.06


others are higher....


http://www.partstore.com/Landing/Pro...lose=0&exact=1


http://www.projectorlampcenter.com/P...de=BP96-01578A

http://www.alltvlamps.com/samsunglamps.html
post #9059 of 21377
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Originally Posted by bigkev4123 View Post

well after a few emails with samsung about the overscan problem, they are telling me that there is no firmware update available now for the tv and that I need a tech to come out and look at it....so hopefully next week i can get a tech to my place and hopefully we can get the ball rolling on a firmware update for the 87 series...i will keep you all posted

Please do!
post #9060 of 21377
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

It would be silly if that's what an ISF calibration was.

A good ISF calibration takes 5-6 hours, not 2-3. The calibration is more than color, tint, contrast, brightness, etc. It is an indepth procedure and adjustments. Daivd brought some hefty equipment to my hosue to do it. His used my entire living room in the dark to do the calibration.
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