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post #121 of 4938
Larry- It's the same data, just represented in a different way. Unfortunately, I've never seen a direct comparison between coax/toslink and i.Link for jitter. But here is what I have seen: Hi Fi News (UK mag) did a comparison last year between i.Link, Denon Link, and HDMI with a Denon player and a Denon receiver (top of the line or near top of the line models). Denon Link was the best, followed by i.Link (w/o rate control) followed by HDMI. HDMI was much worse than the others, but the results for i.Link without flow control weren't anything to get excited about.

(All the jitter numbers I gave in the prior post were in the players to their own DACs.)

One thing I do remember is that with coax/toslink, a lot of receivers and probably an even high percentage of pre/pros reclock the incoming data anyway. (Phase lock loops, input buffers, etc.) Personally, I'd still prefer i.Link simply for the all-in-one digital solution, but in the end, I still hold that there simply can't be appreciable differences in sound quality between coax/toslink and i.Link. Remember, we're talking redbook CD, DD, and DTS here. Not SACD (DSD) or DVD-A (much higher rate PCM).

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post #122 of 4938
Talked to the Canadian Distributor today.

Early Aug release for the 2930, early Sept. for the 3930.

Hope I can wait that long....
post #123 of 4938
Are these the dates still for the U.S. release?
post #124 of 4938
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

Are these the dates still for the U.S. release?

I can't imagine the US getting anything later than Canada.
post #125 of 4938
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

I'd agree. I haven't looked hard, but nobody here at AVS has mentioned a player they own that does SACD (in any form) via HDMI.

larry

Maybe the PS3 will be the one and only device that ever does this?
post #126 of 4938
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I can't imagine the US getting anything later than Canada.

It won't. The 3930CI is targetted for release by the end of July.
post #127 of 4938
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It won't. The 3930CI is targetted for release by the end of July.

For us cheapskates,when will the 1730 be released?
post #128 of 4938
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

I'd agree. I haven't looked hard, but nobody here at AVS has mentioned a player they own that does SACD (in any form) via HDMI.

larry

Apparently the Oppo DV-970HD does, converts DSD to PCM and then transports over HDMI. I haven't hooked it up yet to verify though. Don't you have one?
post #129 of 4938
I don't understand why all players don't have the option to convert SACD/DSD to PCM for HDMI. Then, i.Link would almost be completely unnecessary.
post #130 of 4938
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It won't. The 3930CI is targetted for release by the end of July.

Is there a standard 3930 AND a 3930CI?
post #131 of 4938
I for one REALLY hope they change the design. I think Denon makes the best players but the display on them is waaay to huge!
Hope to see some pics soon.
post #132 of 4938
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Apparently the Oppo DV-970HD does, converts DSD to PCM and then transports over HDMI. I haven't hooked it up yet to verify though. Don't you have one?

Yup, I do. But I don't have anything that accepts HDMI. I know, I know, I'm in the dark ages.

larry
post #133 of 4938
I just discovered this thread today. I can't wait for the 2930. I've been wanting to buy a 2910 for a while, but I couldn't because I just bought a house and had a bunch of expenses with it. Now I can just buy the 2930 instead. My current dvd player is 6 years old. It doesn't even have progressive scan. It was a great dvd player at the time, but it is definitely time to upgrade.
post #134 of 4938
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Originally Posted by OCDMedic View Post

I just discovered this thread today. I can't wait for the 2930. I've been wanting to buy a 2910 for a while, but I couldn't because I just bought a house and had a bunch of expenses with it. Now I can just buy the 2930 instead. My current dvd player is 6 years old. It doesn't even have progressive scan. It was a great dvd player at the time, but it is definitely time to upgrade.

Same story with me. My old Toshiba does a great job but no Progressive scan.
Like you I thought about the 2910 but am seriously thinking about the 2930 or 3930 for the new SO video processors. Might jump to the 3930 for the improved over the 2910/2930.
post #135 of 4938
I talked to my dealer yesterday and he said they have already ordered the 2930 for shipment in July although he said Denon usually runs a month late. He said Denon is not taking orders yet for the 3930.
post #136 of 4938
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I talked to my dealer yesterday and he said they have already ordered the 2930 for shipment in July although he said Denon usually runs a month late. He said Denon is not taking orders yet for the 3930.

They better hurry up with the 3930.

Got my income tax return yesterday and it's burning a hole in my pocket.
May have an Arcam in my system by the time the Denon hits the streets.
post #137 of 4938
Has anyone found any pictures of the 2930 and 3930?
post #138 of 4938
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Originally Posted by s2silber View Post

Here's what I was told by Denon about the 3930:

"...it will be a DVD-5910 for less money. Silicon Optix for video processing and scaling (up to 1080p), audio is upgraded. Same price as the 3910 as well. One other point of contention for buying a 3930 is that no one knows how good the scaling for SD material will be in these new HD players, so you may be downgrading your collection of movies..."

I have the Tosh HD A1 and Denon 3910. The upconvert on the A1 is phenomenal. I am using that player for everything except SCAD and DVD-A.
post #139 of 4938
I don't know what to tell you; that's what the man said. It's either a matter of opinion or, to hear you tell it, the A1 is doing a better job than expected.
post #140 of 4938
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I don't know what to tell you; that's what the man said. It's either a matter of opinion or, to hear you tell it, the A1 is doing a better job than expected.

I wasn't disputing him. I was just relaying that the A1 does an excellent job at upconverting.

I will say that the unit did not pass BTB over HDMI (does over component but not HDMI-go figure.) Tosh just released a firmware update (I downloaded the update via ethernet cable connected to the unit-neat). One of the issues it addressed was the BTB over HDMI issue. The majority of folks say it fixed that issue for them, but my unit still fails the pluge test in DVEssentials.
post #141 of 4938
Gorgeous picture on my Mitsubishi 52628 set though, so I am still very happy with the A1. I still think the Denon is better for audio.
post #142 of 4938
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Originally Posted by alfbinet View Post

...I still think the Denon is better for audio.

I don't think anyone would argue that Denon is not leagues above Toshiba in audio quality. My hope is that Denon will come out with a BlueRay and/or HD-DVD player that will feature Denon quality audio as well as SACD and DVD-A capability.
post #143 of 4938
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Originally Posted by s2silber View Post

I don't think anyone would argue that Denon is not leagues above Toshiba in audio quality. My hope is that Denon will come out with a BlueRay and/or HD-DVD player that will feature Denon quality audio as well as SACD and DVD-A capability.

And with 5910 SD upscaling quality.
post #144 of 4938
Some preliminary info on the 3930 and 2930 models can be found via this thread http://www.avforums.com/forums/showt...13#post3075613 over at avforums, which links to AVLand...

Note, the 3930 is claimed to have a "New ESS Vibrato 'Chroma Bug Free' MPEG/DVD-Audio Decoder"
post #145 of 4938
I see they dropped the DVI output (my display only has DVI input). It also has the same audio DACs as the 3910 (I thought it was supposed to have improved audio). Makes it easier to sit tight with my 3910 until Denon makes a BD or HD-DVD player.
post #146 of 4938
The AV Land prices could not be correct. The GBP-dollar conversion for the price indicated in that link comes out to more than $2,000. Denon has said that the 3930 would be the same price as the current list for the 3910.
post #147 of 4938
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Originally Posted by s2silber View Post

The AV Land prices could not be correct. The GBP-dollar conversion for the price indicated in that link comes out to more than $2,000. Denon has said that the 3930 would be the same price as the current list for the 3910.

They could sell them for very different prices in Europe. I would not rely on those prices at all for the US market. All sources point to $1500 list for the 3930.
post #148 of 4938
Any idea about if it would be able to output 480/576i through hdmi?

cheers

juan
post #149 of 4938
Denon never has, so I doubt this one would.
post #150 of 4938
Interesting in that the 2930 will have the Teranex Reon HQV but the 3930 will use the Teranex Realta HQV. Looks like the 3930 is the one to have.

The 3930 seems like the 5910's baby brother, since it has the Realta, except no ABT scaling.

Perhaps a 3930 with IscanHD+ combo will be quite nice. 480p out of the 3930 with deinterlacing and noise reduction by the Realta into an IscanHD+ to scale to either 720p or 1080p. Good for folks with IscanHD+, but don't want to shell out for a VantageHD or 5910 to get Realta deinterlacing.

Might be able to pick up a B stock IscanHD+ for less than US$1K?
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