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post #1981 of 4938
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Originally Posted by The Rang View Post

Now I understand the complaints about the inadequacies of the Denon manuals.

you said it! The manual does no justice for the power and complexity of the DVD-3930CI, this is one heck of a machine!

I'm just getting versed with how to play various disc's (mostly CD's, SACD's, DVD-A's so far).

Although I did some testing with a DVD-movie ("the Break-Up") and it seemed to play just fine (beautiful color). Have'nt figured out how to play with video resolution- ie. set for progressive.

I have my DVD-3930CI connected to a Yamaha RV-1600: 2-channel audio OUT's going to Yamaha analog "CD" INP's, digital coax going to Yamaha "DVD" digital coax INP, 5.1 audio OUT's going to Yamaha "Multi-Channel" INP's, and component-video OUT to Yamaha "DVD" component-video INP.

I noticed while playing a (redbook) CD, via-2ch audio OUT, I switch the Yamaha to "CD" input (2-chan analog), and it plays very nice. However, if I switch the Yamaha to "DVD" input it also plays thru this channel- I guess the audio is coming thru the digital coax at this point? (it must be because it's playing with DolbyDigital enabled on Yamaha). hmmmm.........

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post #1982 of 4938
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Originally Posted by fuzzybk View Post

I agree John that the S9000ES was a great machine when it first came out. I still have my S9000ES and have it hooked up in the bedroom. The main reason I needed a new player was the fact my S9000ES was having tray problems. I've had it in for service once already and the tech told me that Sony doesn't make any more parts for this player. So once it dies, that's it.

Have you had any problems with the tray opening on your S9000ES John?

The 3930 continues to impress me. Watched a few more demo scenes (Master and Commander-opening attack), Bad Boys 2(highway chase) and Underworld (subway shootout) and was totally impressed. I'm hearing more details than I did with my S9000ES. What a fantastic machine.


No problems at all w/ my S9000ES. I've probably opened my tray 2,000 times! I still use it almost every day (in my auxillary theater). Of course I use the Denon in my main theater. Maybe I should not use my 9000 quite so much. Save it just for DVD-R's. Hate to think of it as a boat anchor!
post #1983 of 4938
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Originally Posted by tonytsang View Post

Hi All, I have 2930, I want to know any function to view the current video Bit-rate when playing the DVD.

Great Thanks

Anyone help....really cannot show the video bitrate
post #1984 of 4938
Is anyone with a 2930 using with a 1080p display?

I am curious if it does 1:1 pixel mapping, i.e. no cropping on any sides.
post #1985 of 4938
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Originally Posted by tonytsang View Post

Anyone help....really cannot show the video bitrate

I am pretty sure the Denon's dont have that function. I have only ever seen it on a Sony player but there may be others.

There is a free prog to check the bitrate of DVDs on a computer it you just want to check the odd one.
post #1986 of 4938
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Originally Posted by John Ballentine View Post

No problems at all w/ my S9000ES. I've probably opened my tray 2,000 times! I still use it almost every day (in my auxillary theater). Of course I use the Denon in my main theater. Maybe I should not use my 9000 quite so much. Save it just for DVD-R's. Hate to think of it as a boat anchor!

I also have an s9000es and have had no problems with it. The slow layer change bothers me a little. PQ is quite nice.

I was going to go for the 3930ci. Instead, I'll upgrade my Anthem D1 to D2 status and get an Oppo 970hd for sacd,dvd-audio, and dvds over hdmi. Will get the Toshiba XA2 for HD-DVD +/- sd dvds upsampled. Surprisingly, the Oppo and Toshiba together will cost less than the Denon. Ah well, can't complain about the build quality of the Denon. If it converted sacd to pcm to allow transfer over hdmi then I would spring the extra cash for it but unfortunately the Oppo is the only option for this right now.
post #1987 of 4938
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Originally Posted by btiltman View Post

I am pretty sure the Denon's dont have that function. I have only ever seen it on a Sony player but there may be others.

Pioneers and Panasonics can do this too; Denon is one of the few that can't.

I believe Denon is also one of the only manufacturers out there that insists on forcing their on-screen display on you (I know I pressed "PREV" or "NEXT," but worse yet I can tell I'm looking at a still frame without needing to display "STILL" in the corner, sigh...)
post #1988 of 4938
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Originally Posted by kucharsk View Post

Pioneers and Panasonics can do this too; Denon is one of the few that can't.

I believe Denon is also one of the only manufacturers out there that insists on forcing their on-screen display on you (I know I pressed "PREV" or "NEXT," but worse yet I can tell I'm looking at a still frame without needing to display "STILL" in the corner, sigh...)

Yeah... my cheapo Toshiba recorder can show bit rates.

And as for the 'idiot displays' like 'STILL, NEXT, etc... yeah, pretty dumb. One of the only negatives. But that said, pretty small complaint.

shane
post #1989 of 4938
Anyone using the 2930 or 3930 with a Sony KF-xxWE610 LCD TV via DVI?

I was wondering if the handshaking works. I will probably go component anyways but I didn't want to purchase the DVI to HDMI cable if it didn't work.
post #1990 of 4938
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Originally Posted by wb2fcr View Post

Anyone using the 2930 or 3930 with a Sony KF-xxWE610 LCD TV via DVI?

I was wondering if the handshaking works. I will probably go component anyways but I didn't want to purchase the DVI to HDMI cable if it didn't work.

I am; the 3930CI and the KF50WE610, through the Denon AVR 3806. It works fine.
However, I can't say the same thing about my DirecTV HR10-250, AVR and TV in the same alignment.
post #1991 of 4938
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Originally Posted by wb2fcr View Post

Anyone using the 2930 or 3930 with a Sony KF-xxWE610 LCD TV via DVI?
I was wondering if the handshaking works. I will probably go component anyways but I didn't want to purchase the DVI to HDMI cable if it didn't work.

I'm using a DVD-3930CI with an HP-LC2640N LCD TV and it did not work using HDMI->to->DVI connection. Not sure if I missed some switch or something- I may try it again. But I switched everything over to component for now.

There are a few notes in the manual specifying that while it should work for HDMI-to-DVI there are some combinations that will not work for whatever reason.
post #1992 of 4938
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Originally Posted by s2silber View Post

I am; the 3930CI and the KF50WE610, through the Denon AVR 3806. It works fine.
However, I can't say the same thing about my DirecTV HR10-250, AVR and TV in the same alignment.

Well I just picked up a 2930CI. I also picked up a HDMI to DVI adapter (I already had a DVI to DVI cable). Connected the 2930CI directly to the Sony - doesn't work. Blank screen - nothing.

s2silber - did you ever connect your 3930CI directly to your KF-50WE610 (that's what I have too)? Would you be willing to try it for me? I'd be grateful.
post #1993 of 4938
I'll try it tonight. I use an HDMI/DVI cable, rather than an adapter, but I'll let you know. Did you make sure the player is set to HDMI output? You can do that with the HDMI Selector button on the remote. The 3930CI arrived with the HDMI Selector button set to "Off" so you may want to check that before doing anything rash.
post #1994 of 4938
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Originally Posted by s2silber View Post

I'll try it tonight. I use an HDMI/DVI cable, rather than an adapter, but I'll let you know. Did you make sure the player is set to HDMI output? You can do that with the HDMI Selector button on the remote. The 3930CI arrived with the HDMI Selector button set to "Off" so you may want to check that before doing anything rash.

Duh! That was it. Helps if you read the whole manual.

Thanks!
post #1995 of 4938
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Originally Posted by wb2fcr View Post

Duh! That was it. Helps if you read the whole manual.

Thanks!

It also helps if the manual is intuitive and covers all the bases (which the Denon doesn't)
post #1996 of 4938
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Originally Posted by s2silber View Post

Did you make sure the player is set to HDMI output? You can do that with the HDMI Selector button on the remote. The 3930CI arrived with the HDMI Selector button set to "Off" so you may want to check that before doing anything rash.

I'll have to re-try my set-up, and make sure the HDMI button is enabled. Thanks for that info!
post #1997 of 4938
It's great that those of us in this forum, or this thread, can help each other out with the kind of problems that could be avoided if we had a good manual to consult. Yet I feel sorry for all the other AV enthusiasts who don't read these forums and are left thinking they've got a defective product. It couldn't be good for Denon retailers or the company itself when they have to exchange or refund perfectly good products that are assumed be defective but actually only lack clear directions for their use.
post #1998 of 4938
Thanks to AVS fourm. After reading most of the post's in this and oppo 871 thread i got a brand new Denon DVD 3930ci. The 3930ci i ordered from powerseller nyc on tue and it came on sat. The 3930ci replaces my Denon 756s. The 756s is a very good player but my new 3930ci blows it away. I had np setting up my new 3930ci (at least the basics) because of all the other post's in this thread. Thanks to all for all your post's. I can say that for me i made the right choice.
post #1999 of 4938
If I do use HDMI connection (on DVD-3930CI) I'm still not confused, whether I should also use the 5.1ch (analog) audio connections for DVD-A output?

Page 12 of the manual has a brief note stating:
"The audio signals of this unit and stereo areas of Super Audio CD's are not HDMI output."
post #2000 of 4938
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

I'll have to re-try my set-up, and make sure the HDMI button is enabled. Thanks for that info!

you know what?......HDMI-to-DVI connection works! I simply enabled the HDMI "SELECT" button (the manual is just not well layed-out).

Now I've been sitting here, switching back-and-forth, from component-video input (via-Yamaha RX-V1600 receiver), to HDMI input, and it is very interesting- the component-video input is "native" resolution (stand-Def), while I have the HDMI input set for 1080i. The HDMI picture has better resolution, however, it exhibits sort of a white "haze" over-all. While the component-video picture exhibits very "rich" color, very nice to the eye, although resolution is slightly less (especially on close-up's, skin texture is just not as fine as HDMI). I'm using "The Break-Up" DVD-Movie to test.

Why does the HDMI picture have a more "white-ish" look (and maybe slightly "fuzzy"), while the component-video picture has a nice "richer" look to the overall balance (maybe slightly less resolution though)?
post #2001 of 4938
I'm kind of seeing the same "white-ish" look, though the component output looks sharper than HDMI.

s2silber - what HDMI setting are you using with your Sony?

BTW - thanks for your're help. Your exactly right - thank goodness for this forum. It's helped me many times.
post #2002 of 4938
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

...The HDMI picture has better resolution, however, it exhibits sort of a white "haze" over-all. While the component-video picture exhibits very "rich" color, very nice to the eye, although resolution is slightly less (especially on close-up's, skin texture is just not as fine as HDMI). I'm using "The Break-Up" DVD-Movie to test.

Why does the HDMI picture have a more "white-ish" look (and maybe slightly "fuzzy"), while the component-video picture has a nice "richer" look to the overall balance (maybe slightly less resolution though)?


I noticed this too when I had the 2930. 720p and 1080i both had this whitish / hazy / softer look to it than 480p. I noticed that both HDMI and component 480p had a much more colorful look to it, without the haze. But, 480p is also darker and, like you said, fine detail is somewhat lost (maybe that's because it's darker).

It's like that on the 3910 I just bought too. I can't watch it in anything other than 480p for both the "haze" mentioned above and the fact that at 720p or 1080i, with my display I get horrible jaggies (looks just like CUE).
post #2003 of 4938
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Originally Posted by wb2fcr View Post

I'm kind of seeing the same "white-ish" look, though the component output looks sharper than HDMI.

s2silber - what HDMI setting are you using with your Sony?

BTW - thanks for your're help. Your exactly right - thank goodness for this forum. It's helped me many times.

I've flipped through the formats several times without noticing a great deal of detectable difference, but I've settled on HDMI YbCbCr@1080i. Also, I don't know what this "whitish haze" is that's being mentioned here. Noting like that on my display.
post #2004 of 4938
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Originally Posted by wb2fcr View Post

I'm kind of seeing the same "white-ish" look, though the component output looks sharper than HDMI.

exactly, component-video output seems sharper than HDMI. But when you notice carefully on close-up scene's you can actually see more detail with HDMI (1080i, etc.,...), although the over-all picture looks "white-ish" and almost "fuzzy", or non-sharp looking (best way I can describe it).

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Originally Posted by DustinTaj View Post

I noticed this too when I had the 2930. 720p and 1080i both had this whitish / hazy / softer look to it than 480p. I noticed that both HDMI and component 480p had a much more colorful look to it, without the haze. But, 480p is also darker and, like you said, fine detail is somewhat lost (maybe that's because it's darker).

yes, exactly.

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Originally Posted by s2silber View Post

I've flipped through the formats several times without noticing a great deal of detectable difference, but I've settled on HDMI YbCbCr@1080i. Also, I don't know what this "whitish haze" is that's being mentioned here. Noting like that on my display.

I'm beggining to think this "white-ish" haze may be related to the display or TV itself.

Or is it characteristic of HDMI-to-DVI type configurations? My HP-LC2640N LCD TV is like "first-generation" HDTV technology (released in 2004), it has DVI, component-video, s-video and composite-video input's. Although the picture-quality is awesome with component-video (480p, 720p, 1080i).

s2silber, is your display an HDMI type TV? Are you using HDMI-to-HDMI connection?

I'm planning on getting a new 1080p LCD TV (with HDMI) later in the year. I figure you should start to see a whole new line of TV's in the coming months, with more competitive pricing.

I'm still debating whether to keep HDMI-to-DVI connected, or go with all component-video for now?
post #2005 of 4938
Have you guys calibrated your tv using your DVD player? The first thing i did after i got my 3930ci was to set it up and to calibrate my Panasonic TH-42px50u with Avia. I have the 3930ci set to hdmi YbCbCr 720p. I also have a copy of get gray but for me Avia is much better. My color and picture are very sharp, clear and the color is very rich. None of the problems you guys are seeing.
post #2006 of 4938
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Have you guys calibrated your tv using your DVD player? The first thing i did after i got my 3930ci was to set it up and to calibrate my Panasonic TH-42px50u with Avia.

I wonder if this will help? I'll gladly purchase Avia if it helps with the characteristics we're seeing.

Did you test your set-up before you calibrated?
post #2007 of 4938
Yes i did and i saw a little of what you see. Before i calibrated my tv with my 3930ci. i wanted to warm up my tv for 20min Before i calibrated (played a dvd). The interesting thing was that the calibration using my Denon 756s was different than the calibrations using my Denon 3930ci but both of the DVD players where hooked up the same way with the same TV. Also note that i saw a little difference in pq when i used a top of the line hdmi cable (1m long) and a average hdmi cable (2m long)
post #2008 of 4938
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

s2silber, is your display an HDMI type TV? Are you using HDMI-to-HDMI connection?

I'm planning on getting a new 1080p LCD TV (with HDMI) later in the year. I figure you should start to see a whole new line of TV's in the coming months, with more competitive pricing.

I'm still debating whether to keep HDMI-to-DVI connected, or go with all component-video for now?

My TV, the Sony Grand Wega III, has a DVI input which I use with an HDMI-DVI cable. Works without any problem with the 3930CI through a Denon AVR with HDMI input and output.
post #2009 of 4938
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Yes i did and i saw a little of what you see. Before i calibrated my tv with my 3930ci.

hmmm, that's interesting. I may go for Avia and try it out (it would'nt hurt to have it regardless).

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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Also note that i saw a little difference in pq when i used a top of the line hdmi cable (1m long) and a average hdmi cable (2m long)

I'm using a Monster Ultra-THX HDMI-to-DVI cable (2m long). It should be pretty good quality, and not too long (I guess).
post #2010 of 4938
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Originally Posted by s2silber View Post

My TV, the Sony Grand Wega III, has a DVI input which I use with an HDMI-DVI cable. Works without any problem with the 3930CI through a Denon AVR with HDMI input and output.

thanks! that's good to know.

I've noticed this "white-ish" haze even via-cable-box output (480p and1080i broadcast's), through Yamaha RX-V1600, to TV, as well. So, I guess this say's that it's probably something related to the TV, or DVI connection?
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