Denon DVD-3930 & DVD-2930 w/Realta T2 Chip Coming September- - Page 74

interesting, thanks for that.

The picture I'm getting from my 2930 is much too yellow.
Can't figure out what to do.
Have tried adjusting via the TV menu (I used DVE).
Tinkered with player settings but that didn't really help.
When I run my PVR into the same input all is well.
I'm using HDMI out on the 2930, same as the PVR.

Help!

Is it like this on HDMI and component? I remember you stating this once before - either you have a defective unit or a display issue of some sort. The 2930 has an accurate grayscale - even verified by my ISF calibrator. He ran the numbers on it with DVE and the color analyzer. The color decoding is fine too.

I mentioned this before? Wow...my memory is getting bad.

Tried it on component too. Same thing.
Will experiment some more.
Am seriously thinking about moving up to the 3930 anyway.
If it still happens then I'll know it's a display issue.

quick question (sorry if its been asked before), but putting aside the fact of 1080p. if i have a 720p/1080i display, would you all still recommend me getting the 2930? if so, would you say that it is the best player at that price range for what i need? (im not interested in oppo). thanks.

Thanks for your help guys!

I think so if you plan to use it as an audio player as well.

I'm having some issues with my unit but I think the problems may be display related. Overall a very nice player. Well built. You get what you pay for.

I think what DavidHir is trying to tell you is that you may need to have your system calibrated by ISF calibrator. I used Getgray and Avia to get my colors and picture the best that it could be but i could never get everything to come together. So i had Doug (Droptheremote) calibrate my Panny HD plasma and my Denon 3930ci. After he was done i was very very happy with every thing. Now i know im getting the best out of my system i can. I have even stated to buy(10 so far) Superbit DVDs from Ebay. And this is not to say that my SD DVDs don't play and look great because they do play and look great!

re: 2930 color issues

With digital output, even if the player decoding and video processing wasn't perfect, you wouldn't see big changes in color. It's sending wha't in the disc. However, since the video data do pass through some logic than can "adjust" color (I'm assuming the 2930 has these controls) that it's possible the player is "broken". Rang, have you tried resetting the player back to factory defaults?

larry

I have to admit the DVD-3930CI is a wonderful sounding player!

I've played several hours of multi-channel music sources (SACD's, DVD-A's, DTS 5.1's) through it now and I'm very impressed with the sound-quality and dynamics through my Yamaha RX-V1600, NAD C272 amps and Energy RC-Series speakers.

Moreover, it's a true "universal" player, I like the fact that I can put in any format (SACD, DVD-A, DTS 5.1, CD) and it automatically reads and play's it without any re-setting of controls.

Nice looking system....clean

Yes - very nice. And the 3930 looks great sitting there in your rack! (Can't wait to get mine)

thanks for your comments!

The only other thing I'm changing is I plan to swap-out the Yamaha RX-V1600 (which has been very impressive) for the new NAD T175 surround-processor (to be released hopefully in April):
http://www.digitalvideoht.it/files/NAD_T175.pdf

I'm expecting this unit to give me that much waited for extra "clarity", and greater sound-stage, of a separate pre-amp.

Nice looking set-up, and the addition of the new NAD wil most definitely be an nice upgrade from the Yamaha. Well done! What's that on the top rack? At first I thought it was a turntable and you were spinning some vinyl!

thanks


I hope so (actually I'm expecting it to yield better sound quality).

Although, I'm very happy with the performance of the Yamaha RX-V1600 overall. I yields good sound-quality, excellent DSP, video-processing, etc.,...


it's a Scientific Atlanta SA8300HD digital-cable receiver.

I grew up in the 60's, 70's and 80's, I don't think I'll ever touch an LP again in my life. I lived the turntable experience many times over- all the hassles of scratched records, etc.,..It's amazing how popular LP's are now. Actually, I have quite an LP selection in my garage and in excellent condition. Don't know whether to sell them back or what?

Let's keep the discussion on the players, please. Thanks.

larry

I called Denon today inquiring about a firmware upgrade for my 2930CI. I was told there is no upgrade expected anytime soon (however, who really knows with these CSRs). I would like to see something done about the slow menu selections and how in "Auto" mode the deinterlacer appears to slip into Video mode at rare times on film-based DVDs (such as on Star Wars: A New Hope, for example).

Has anyone compared the video ONLY of the DVD-5910(CI) and the DVD-3930CI?
Audioholics rated them identically for video performance (though not audio). Secrets prefered the Anchor Bay scaler in the 5910 to the Realta scaling in the 3930, but their performance was nearly identical.

What if you keep the player menu in "film" mode (not auto)? Star Wars OK then?

Yep.

David, Where is film mode? In the progressive menu there is Auto, Video 1, and Video 2. I looked at the 2930 manual and there is nothing I can find about "film mode". Thanks!

On page 21, the manual associates Video 2 with film material discs. No mention of it with Video 1. Auto is just an automatic detection of the material applying Video 1 or Video 2.

I would then simply keep my player in the Video 2 mode, as I only watch film based material in my home theater. Maybe w/ the exception of the "extras" on a disc.

And then you could always change the mode if you need to play video based discs.

Strange that Denon calls the "film mode" video 2. Confusing.

I just leave mine in Video 2 as 99% of the time all I watch are film-based DVDs - I just switch it over to Video 1 for that rare occasion.

If I read this correctly Secrets gave a slight edge to the Realta scaling:

"I didn't find much, if any, difference between the scaling of the ABT chip in the 5910 and the scaling in the 3930CI. Both are excellent, with a small edge going to the 3930 using a luma burst test pattern. The 3930 showed a bit less ringing in the upper frequency range."

The 3930 fell behind due to chroma filtering being turned off:
"The 3930CI failed two of our CUE tests, including material with an alternating 3-2 cadence and our 4:2:0 ICP test. This means that the player is not incorporating any type of CUE correction filter even though I believe the Realta chip has this capability."

Probably an intentional decision to protect the flagship status of the 5910.

this very well may be a stupid question. But how long do we anticipate Denon keeping the 3930 around. The 3910 and 2910 were around for 2 or 3 years right? However there was a 1920 for only one year then came the 1930. Should i expect the 3930 to be around for at least two years? I'm seriously considering picking one up this week but am gonna be pissed if there are gonna be new models coming out in a few months (like the 08 series receivers)

As of late, it's been every two years Denon brings out the new model for the 3930 and 2930 classes. So, fall of 2008 would be the next if they were to do a 2950 or 3950, for example. However, I think much of this will depend on the HD situation and I'd imagine they'd bring out a HD player instead. Just my guess. They could also just keep the 3930 and 2930. I don't believe we will see anymore notable improvements in SD DVD deinterlacing and scaling, however. I think Silicon Optics has pretty much maxed out SD DVD potential.

Thanks David and John. I don't know what we'd do without some of you guys! Video 2 it is!

Rob

It wouldn't surprise me; it reminds me 90's when GM tuned down the Trans Am and Camaro so it wouldn't top the Corvette, even though they had the same engine. (I miss those days! )

Actually, can anybody comment on the quality of the 3930's 50hz->60hz conversion?

I would be especially interested using the 3930 to upconvert PAL DVDs (both video- and film-sourced) to 1080i60, for display on a North American HDTV CRT. I'm hoping that the Realta would at least blend the frames, rather than simply repeating every fifth frame like the 3910 does--I'll take motion blur over motion judder any day.

Thank you!