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post #241 of 4938
I bet that when the 3930 and 2930 officially debut, pricing will be lower than the speculated $1500/849 range.

With increasing pressure from HD-DVD and BD players, a higher-end SD player will be a tougher sell. Yes, I realize that the newer gen HD players don't measure up with SD discs, but you're still fighting after the same pool of enthusiasts' dollars.

When you can get spectacular HD performance for under $500, spending 3x that amount on a SD player should give anyone second thoughts.

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post #242 of 4938
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pricing will be lower than the speculated $1500/849

I wouldn't take that bet. The hidef players won't have the same quality deinterlacer and no audio. With the more expensive chips, the player will problaby be at least the same price as their predecessors. All just a guess...

larry
post #243 of 4938
FYI, I was at Magnolia/Best Buy, yesterday, and, according to their system, the 2930 will sell for $849. However, none of the Magnolia/Best Buys have it in-stock, yet.

I don't remember the price of the 3930...but, I want to say $1,199...
post #244 of 4938
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

I wouldn't take that bet. The hidef players won't have the same quality deinterlacer and no audio. With the more expensive chips, the player will problaby be at least the same price as their predecessors. All just a guess...

larry

I'm guessing the same. I mean even now it's hard to find a reputable online vendor who sells the 3910 for less than a grand with shipping.
post #245 of 4938
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

I wouldn't take that bet. The hidef players won't have the same quality deinterlacer and no audio. With the more expensive chips, the player will problaby be at least the same price as their predecessors. All just a guess...

larry

Many folks with the Toshiba HD players are dumping their SD models (that were pretty good to start with). Yes, the audio of the Denons is a key selling point. However, if they're pushing the SO/Teranex quality, certainly they are appealing to avid videophiles. And avid videophiles cannot ignore HD-DVD/BD for overall superb image quality.

Denon's been amortizing the cost of this class of players for several years. Yes, new chips will be slightly more expensive, but we're on the mature life cycle for $1K DVD players. Denon knows how to make 'em pretty good by now. Just look what happened with Pioneers 59avi/79avi. Similar player, newer one MSRP'd for $600 less.

Pricing pressure is HOT in this category. Sony, Pioneer, Toshiba, Samsung, they all go over their new, more expensive player's price points with a fine tooth comb.

By the time CEDIA rolls around in 3 months, it wouldn't surpise me one bit to see a 3930 list at $999, and a 2930 at $699.
post #246 of 4938
Lower prices are always better. We'll just have to wait and see. $999 for the 3930 would be a good deal.

larry
post #247 of 4938
Actually, Toshiba's HDDVD does an EXTREMELY good job at upscaling SDDVD. So good in fact I immediatly sold my 3910. YES, the HD-A1 does a superior job at upscaling SDDVDs to the 3910 does.

Take a read at this http://www.highdefforum.com/showthread.php?t=25018

and the the dozens of other highly positive reviews.

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Originally Posted by Sam Scamardo View Post

I bet that when the 3930 and 2930 officially debut, pricing will be lower than the speculated $1500/849 range.

With increasing pressure from HD-DVD and BD players, a higher-end SD player will be a tougher sell. Yes, I realize that the newer gen HD players don't measure up with SD discs, but you're still fighting after the same pool of enthusiasts' dollars.

When you can get spectacular HD performance for under $500, spending 3x that amount on a SD player should give anyone second thoughts.
post #248 of 4938
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Originally Posted by overcast View Post

Actually, Toshiba's HDDVD does an EXTREMELY good job at upscaling SDDVD. So good in fact I immediatly sold my 3910. YES, the HD-A1 does a superior job at upscaling SDDVDs to the 3910 does.

Maybe so, but who in their right mind would buy that POS first generation clunker just to play DVDs? I understand your point if you want the HD-DVDs too (I don't), but even then it would seem to make more sense to wait for a second generation player without all the quirks.

And no, I am not a Blu Ray guy. I have no intention of getting either one for several years. I will let you first adapters - read beta testers - have all the fun.
post #249 of 4938
Put it this way, if it actually was a POS do you think myself and many others would have sold their high end players? I'm not just saying this because I purchased it. Beyond the slightly long boot time, it works perfectly. But if you aren't interested in hddvd's then I see your point.

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Originally Posted by jvernon View Post

Maybe so, but who in their right mind would buy that POS first generation clunker just to play DVDs? I understand your point if you want the HD-DVDs too (I don't), but even then it would seem to make more sense to wait for a second generation player without all the quirks.

And no, I am not a Blu Ray guy. I have no intention of getting either one for several years. I will let you first adapters - read beta testers - have all the fun.
post #250 of 4938
I certainly wouldn't call the HD-A1 a POS. It's very solid and has good components. Performance is excellent for SD, as well.
post #251 of 4938
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Originally Posted by overcast View Post

Put it this way, if it actually was a POS do you think myself and many others would have sold their high end players? I'm not just saying this because I purchased it. Beyond the slightly long boot time, it works perfectly. But if you aren't interested in hddvd's then I see your point.

Sorry, I tend to get carried away at times...

It's just that I like to pop a disc in and see the movie, not wait for a computer to boot and deal with a slow remote judging from what I have read in these forums. Hopefully all these quirks will be worked out by the time one format or the other wins.

I'll look at whichever one does win seriously in another 2 or 3 years. Until then, you beta testers keep bitching at the manufacturers to get it right!
post #252 of 4938
Any updates on release dates for either player?
post #253 of 4938
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Originally Posted by bri1270 View Post

Any updates on release dates for either player?

I happened to bump into a Denon rep at a local retailer the other day.

He told me late July for the 2930 and mid September for the 3930 & 1930.

I'm in Canada so I would imagine the US would be about the same, if nor earlier.
post #254 of 4938
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Originally Posted by overcast View Post

Actually, Toshiba's HDDVD does an EXTREMELY good job at upscaling SDDVD. So good in fact I immediatly sold my 3910. YES, the HD-A1 does a superior job at upscaling SDDVDs to the 3910 does.

Take a read at this http://www.highdefforum.com/showthread.php?t=25018

and the the dozens of other highly positive reviews.

I'm hoping that you didn't use your 3910 for audio then? AS it stands, keeping the 3910 for audio playback makes sense...

That's part of the reason I'm actually interested in the 3930... As a 2910 owner, the upgrade in audio is a motivating factor, as well as hopefully bypassing the MB issues that occasionally crop up on the 2910.
post #255 of 4938
(Sorry if this has already been covered... but)
Anyone know if the Audio DAC's will be different in the 2930 and the 3930.. If so, might there be much of a difference?

How about between the 3910 and these new units?

shane
post #256 of 4938
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Originally Posted by shane55 View Post

(Sorry if this has already been covered... but)
Anyone know if the Audio DAC's will be different in the 2930 and the 3930.. If so, might there be much of a difference?

How about between the 3910 and these new units?

shane

The 3910 has better DACs than the 2910 (the 2910 uses the same audio DACs as the 2200). The 3930 has the same DACs as the 3910. Don't know about the 2930, but I can promise they will not be as good as the 3930/3910 (how else can they justify the price difference).
post #257 of 4938
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

The 3910 has better DACs than the 2910 (the 2910 uses the same audio DACs as the 2200). The 3930 has the same DACs as the 3910. Don't know about the 2930, but I can promise they will not be as good as the 3930/3910 (how else can they justify the price difference).

Thanks Bill.
Actually I would have assumed that the price difference was mostly predicated on the vid-chip differences... not audio. But a combo of both (along with possible chasis and features differences) makes sense as well.

(Just don't get me started on anything having to do with price justification )

shane
post #258 of 4938
Does anyone know if the Denon iLink interface is compatible with the Pioneer Elite receivers?
post #259 of 4938
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Originally Posted by Clepto View Post

I'm hoping that you didn't use your 3910 for audio then? AS it stands, keeping the 3910 for audio playback makes sense...

That's part of the reason I'm actually interested in the 3930... As a 2910 owner, the upgrade in audio is a motivating factor, as well as hopefully bypassing the MB issues that occasionally crop up on the 2910.

I used my 3910 for audio, but I have a Cambridge Audio CD player that is just as good. And there is a future purchase in the works anyhow. The DVDA and SACD, while awesome, went no where and make no difference in the decision. You can get a very nice dedicated audio player for $1500, that's for sure.
post #260 of 4938
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Originally Posted by timf98 View Post

Does anyone know if the Denon iLink interface is compatible with the Pioneer Elite receivers?

i.link is i.link, supposedly. It better work. DenonLink is another story. There's been some reports of various i.link players having issues with another manufacturers processors/receivers. Not many though. I had a 3910 for a while and it worked fine via i.Link to my Pio receiver.

larry
post #261 of 4938
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Originally Posted by The Rang View Post

I happened to bump into a Denon rep at a local retailer the other day.

He told me late July for the 2930 and mid September for the 3930 & 1930.

I'm in Canada so I would imagine the US would be about the same, if nor earlier.

They are killing me! I guess this gives me more time to save up.
post #262 of 4938
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

The 3910 has better DACs than the 2910 (the 2910 uses the same audio DACs as the 2200). The 3930 has the same DACs as the 3910. Don't know about the 2930, but I can promise they will not be as good as the 3930/3910 (how else can they justify the price difference).

Bill, Have you decided on the Toshiba or the Samsung for upconverting?
post #263 of 4938
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Originally Posted by alfbinet View Post

Bill, Have you decided on the Toshiba or the Samsung for upconverting?

Neither. I am very happy with my 3910 for upconverting, and I always wait for a 2nd generation player with brand new technology. To be honest, neither the Tosh nor the Samsung provide the features I want, and are not exactly high end hardware. When a top manufacturer like Denon or Onkyo makes an HD-DVD or BD player, and provides SACD capabilities, and hopefully both HD-DVD and BD capabilities, then I'm definitely in. Until then, the 3910 is good enough for me (with my 720p DLP). And there is no way I would ever consider the Samsung BD player, based on the horrendous reviews!
post #264 of 4938
I plan on buying a PS3. That will be my hi-def player for the next few years until they work out all the bugs in the technology.
post #265 of 4938
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Originally Posted by BillP View Post

Neither. I am very happy with my 3910 for upconverting, and I always wait for a 2nd generation player with brand new technology. To be honest, neither the Tosh nor the Samsung provide the features I want, and are not exactly high end hardware. When a top manufacturer like Denon or Onkyo makes an HD-DVD or BD player, and provides SACD capabilities, and hopefully both HD-DVD and BD capabilities, then I'm definitely in. Until then, the 3910 is good enough for me (with my 720p DLP). And there is no way I would ever consider the Samsung BD player, based on the horrendous reviews!

Unfortunately my HD-A1 @ 1080i trumps my 3910 @ 720p even with my 720p Panasonics AE700 doing the downscaling. You have to see it. The slow boot up time and other quirks (which are actually few) can be annoying but I can live with that. Some can't and that is a personal choice. I don't care if the player looks high-end or not since it is better in terms of PQ for SD-DVDs and those HD-DVDs look magnificient. I keep the Denon just for the high-res. audio (I have a pretty nice CD - DAC combo so I never use the Denon for critical CD listening anyway). Actually someone in the HD DVD players forum have mentioned that the A1/XA1 just happens, by accident or by design, to be a damn good redbook CD player on its own! I have never tried that so I can't say that for sure.

Of course if Denon make a universal HD players that include SACD/DVD-A I will jump onto the bandwagon immediately, but until then I have my Denon for high-res. audio and the Toshiba for SD + HD video.
post #266 of 4938
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Originally Posted by OCDMedic View Post

I plan on buying a PS3. That will be my hi-def player for the next few years until they work out all the bugs in the technology.

Wow, I'm sorry.
post #267 of 4938
These sound great, but I think I'll keep my 3910 until they have a 3000 level product that is truly universal (everything 3910 plays now + HD-DVD and BD). I realize it will probably be about 3 years, but that's OK. It will basically be the 5000 version when they update that one. Very similar to how my 3910 is basically the 5900 with the bugs worked out.

Concerning SACD and DVD-A, I don't think Denon will drop them (or HDCD) for that matter, just b/c they are high end players and we expect that from them. Can't wait to have a player that does:

DVD-V, CD, HDCD, DVD-A, SACD, HD-DVD, BD, and all the audio codecs over Denon Link! That will be awesome. Of course then I'll need to update my receiver to decode DD+, DD-HD, and DTS-HD...but heh, that'll be about 3 years from now too. I better start saving now. I might as well get a 1080p projector at the same time
post #268 of 4938
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Wow, I'm sorry.

Don't be. This will get me over the initial hump then I can upgrade as need be in the future. I have a wife and two kids as I am sure other people on the forum do and I can't go tech crazy when I would like to. It's all about patience and continually bringing it up to the wife until she goes crazy and lets you buy whatever you want.
post #269 of 4938
I think a lot of us will be spending a lot of $$$ in about 3 years. I was in the market for a new DVD player. I realized that I would want to get a HD model in a year or so after the 1st generation bugs are worked out, and I figured the video performance would also be top notch on SD. So I placed most emphasis on audio and picked up a Denon DVD-2200 (same audio as 2910, but less $$). it will handle video for about 12 mos, then I will have 2 players until a fully universal one comes out (hopefully in around 3 years).
post #270 of 4938
$600 initial hump!?!
The Toshiba sells for at LEAST $100 less.

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Originally Posted by OCDMedic View Post

Don't be. This will get me over the initial hump then I can upgrade as need be in the future. I have a wife and two kids as I am sure other people on the forum do and I can't go tech crazy when I would like to. It's all about patience and continually bringing it up to the wife until she goes crazy and lets you buy whatever you want.
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