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post #4471 of 4912
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Originally Posted by Badas View Post

Nothing touches the 3930 for picture/audio quality. You just have to replace the laser occasionaly.

Ta
Dono

I have a few OLD retail CDs that I believe are defective pressings (the play side looks fine under bright light inspection, no bronzing or rotting), yet, when played on my old CD/DVD players there are constant very audible clicks in the background. Also, using my Plextor DVDRom & EAC, they won't rip correctly either... constant errors. And if you force a rip anyways, the clicks are there. The worst offender is a Japan first pressing of a KISS album (unlistenable) and the seller even confirmed the copy he made before selling it to me was riddled in distortion/clicks.

So, I play these CDs on the Denon 2930 and ... they sound great! The KISS CD still has some minor background noise here and there, but, it's very much improved.

Just ordered 2 Sanyo laser assemblies to hang onto. So far it's all good.
post #4472 of 4912
I wasn't sure if AL24 Processing Plus on the 2930CI was upsampling to the Analog Outputs (or just expanding the bits to 24)... so I emailed Denon tech support. I received a response that said yes it was upsampling to 24bit/192khz to the Analog Outputs. Now I'm curious as to what the big difference is with Advanced AL24.
post #4473 of 4912
The difference looks like is all channels vs stereo:
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Advanced AL24 Processing

The acclaimed Advanced AL24 DSP processing improves the fidelity of high resolution stereo PCM sources such as CD and DVD (up to 192kHz sampling frequencies), by sophisticated DSP processing algorithms that improves low level detail and enhances fidelity by upsampling and adaptive filtering techniques. Advanced AL24 also provides increased dynamic range and spatial information, bringing out all the nuances with optimum clarity and natural fidelity.

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AL24 Processing Plus

Denon has further developed its proprietary AL24 Processing, an analog waveform reproduction technology, to support the 192-kHz sampling frequency of DVD-Audio. This new technology, called AL24 Processing Plus, thoroughly suppresses quantization noise with D/A conversion of LPCM signals to reproduce the low-level signals with optimum clarity that brings out all the delicate nuances of the music. In high-end models, AL24 Processing Plus for all channels.

I have a question too...
My DVD-2930CI won't show anything on the screen when I do Play-Open/Close@power on followed by 3265"Menu". I was curious what firmware I have and if I should worry about a newer one.

Also, I did manage to lock it down in DEMO MODE but luckly, the Play-FFSkip@power on that I found on this thread worked. Thanks!
post #4474 of 4912
Finally got my laser part replaced. Yay! Working fine so far - fingers crossed!
post #4475 of 4912
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Originally Posted by Spymaster View Post

Finally got my laser part replaced. Yay! Working fine so far - fingers crossed!

It will stay fine for 1-2 years depending on use. Now Blu-ray is here I don't use the 3930 so much and have found that the laser is obviously lasting longer

Ta

Dono
post #4476 of 4912
Anybody knows where I can get the schematics/service manual for the DVD-2390CI?
post #4477 of 4912
I ordered and received the Sanyo laser part. Could anyone else who's also done so point me to directions on how to install it? Thanks.
post #4478 of 4912
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Originally Posted by SoNic67 View Post

Anybody knows where I can get the schematics/service manual for the DVD-2390CI?

http://www.getmanual.com/index.php?nav=delivery

$10 to download the service manual. It includes a method to test the lasers via the front panel buttons! I was able to do the test even though the description in the manual is somewhat lacking.
post #4479 of 4912
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Originally Posted by maphiker View Post

http://www.getmanual.com/index.php?nav=delivery

$10 to download the service manual. It includes a method to test the lasers via the front panel buttons! I was able to do the test even though the description in the manual is somewhat lacking.

As a favor to your fellow owners of the this player and the other good readers of this thread, could you tell us about that method to test the lasers via the front panel buttons?
post #4480 of 4912
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Originally Posted by maphiker View Post

$10 to download the service manual.

thanks, I did bought it already from there (Google).
post #4481 of 4912
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Originally Posted by s2silber View Post

As a favor to your fellow owners of the this player and the other good readers of this thread, could you tell us about that method to test the lasers via the front panel buttons?

You'd be better off to spend the $10. It is not straight forward and I don't want to risk someone bricking their unit.
post #4482 of 4912
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Originally Posted by SoNic67 View Post

thanks, I did bought it already from there (Google).

Did you try testing your laser?
I tested mine and they were just about right where they should be. This is in spite of the fact that I am starting to have trouble playing some enhanced CDs.
post #4483 of 4912
No, I didn't, mine it is in the "aging mode", I have it for a week only. Plays everything, even rented scratched ones better than my other players.
I am tempted to replace the OpAmps analog outputs. The ones on the stereo-only one are better.
I have a bunch of LM4562... but warranty wise I do not know if it is smart.
post #4484 of 4912
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Originally Posted by SoNic67 View Post

No, I didn't, mine it is in the "aging mode", I have it for a week only. Plays everything, even rented scratched ones better than my other players.
I am tempted to replace the OpAmps analog outputs. The ones on the stereo-only one are better.
I have a bunch of LM4562... but warranty wise I do not know if it is smart.

Wow, sounds interesting but beyond my abilities. I think any modifications you make directly to the unit may void the warranty.
post #4485 of 4912
I am sure they will void warranty. I just don't know if it does worth it or should I just wait one year
post #4486 of 4912
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Originally Posted by SoNic67 View Post

I am sure they will void warranty. I just don't know if it does worth it or should I just wait one year

I was surprised about the "aging mode." What do you make of it? Is it necessary to age the curcuitry?
Why not get the 3930 if you want better DACs?
post #4487 of 4912
The brand new capacitors need some aging to perform at the best. The function included just speeds up the process, nothing more.
Why I didn't get a 3930? You mean... beside the price and not wanting to sleep in the doghouse?
post #4488 of 4912
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Originally Posted by Badas View Post

It will stay fine for 1-2 years depending on use. Now Blu-ray is here I don't use the 3930 so much and have found that the laser is obviously lasting longer
Ta
Dono

I hope so - the last one (fitted with the machine at purchase) only lasted 6 months.

I still use my DVD player quite a lot, mostly for telly stuff. It still upscales better than my Panny BD-55 and there's no layer change. My two sole reasons to keep it in service!
post #4489 of 4912
I just pulled the trigger today on the 2930 from Vann's. I love my Pioneer BDP-51 just fine for BD, but the layer change and inability to convert PAL-NTSC is getting on my nerves. I appreciate everyone's input in this thread as you have convinced me to get my first Denon product.
post #4490 of 4912
I have discovered a problem with my new DVD-2930CI. On one DVD-A (Foreigner 4), the player will start playing and after 14 seconds, the sound output stops. But the counter on the display is still going. If I press "stop" and then "play" again I have 14 seconds of play (other 14 seconds). It doesn't matter if I select the stereo or surround from the DVD menu.
Other discs are playing fine. I am connected via analog 5.1 outputs.

My firmware is BE8283-A. What's the latest firmware and where I can get it? Maybe it will solve this issue...

Is the laser pick up Sanyo SF-HD65?
post #4491 of 4912
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Originally Posted by SoNic67 View Post

I have discovered a problem with my new DVD-2930CI. On one DVD-A (Foreigner 4), the player will start playing and after 14 seconds, the sound output stops. But the counter on the display is still going. If I press "stop" and then "play" again I have 14 seconds of play (other 14 seconds). It doesn't matter if I select the stereo or surround from the DVD menu.
Other discs are playing fine. I am connected via analog 5.1 outputs.

My firmware is BE8283-A. What's the latest firmware and where I can get it? Maybe it will solve this issue...

Is the laser pick up Sanyo SF-HD65?

The latest firmware is 8283-E. It could explain the problems you are having. Here is a link to download the file:
http://rapidshare.com/files/30948700..._2930.zip.html

Maphiker
post #4492 of 4912
Expand the zip-file (inclusive folder) and burn the complete folder on CD-R. Create CD-R (ISO 9660, please use lowest possible speed and finalize the disc). The CD-R should have a file folder named "DVD_2930" with the ROM file inside it.

See enclosed file with Instructions on how to update the 2930:

 

How to Upgrade.txt 0.6181640625k . file
post #4493 of 4912
Thank you! I will try it.

How fast is your tray closing/opening? Mine is very slow compared with other players. Is that normal?

LE: Updated the player, still does the same. My other player Toshiba SD-6980 plays that DVD-A with no problems.
post #4494 of 4912
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Originally Posted by SoNic67 View Post

Thank you! I will try it.

How fast is your tray closing/opening? Mine is very slow compared with other players. Is that normal?

LE: Updated the player, still does the same. My other player Toshiba SD-6980 plays that DVD-A with no problems.

Are you sure that the Foreigner disc is authentic and not a copy? What you decribe sounds like what happens when you try to play a copy of a "copy protected" disc.
BTW, is the Toshiba really playing the DVDA track or the DTS/DD track? You can make the 2930 play the DTS (DD) track by going into the "Other Setup" menu and selecting PLAYER MODE = VIDEO.
Another explanation would be if the Toshiba lacks the copy protection feature.
post #4495 of 4912
It is real. Toshiba is same (or more) "protected" than Denon, I couldn't even find how to make it region free...
I wonder if the region-free trick did that - I will try to reset the 2930 player to factory default.
post #4496 of 4912
Hello all,

Just like many of them, my second hand 3930 is having lots of reading problems and I'm about to replace the laser lens. But dismantling the whole thing is not that easy.

Can someone confirm that the ribbon cable that is attached to the laser lens can be removed just by pulling it ? Isn't it soldered ?
Also, I'm hesitating to buy a new Sanyo SF-HD 65 since the one installed in my player (see attached photo) doesn't look exactly the same as this one I found in an add (look at the bottom right end).



Any help will be appreciated. Thank you
LL
post #4497 of 4912
Is the 2930ci capable of sending the DVD video via HDMI and the audio via another connection? I have one of these on the way and I'm trying to put off buying a new AVR for a while. My receiver is over 10 yrs old so obviously it has no such connection
post #4498 of 4912
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Originally Posted by stradovinski View Post

Is the 2930ci capable of sending the DVD video via HDMI and the audio via another connection? I have one of these on the way and I'm trying to put off buying a new AVR for a while. My receiver is over 10 yrs old so obviously it has no such connection

Sure, no problem, you can send audio via optical, coaxial or analog. For video you have a choice of HDMI, component, S-video or composite. Of course you also have the possibility of HDMI and Denon link for audio.
post #4499 of 4912
Great...thank you for the info.
post #4500 of 4912
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Originally Posted by kepa1 View Post

Hello all,
Can someone confirm that the ribbon cable that is attached to the laser lens can be removed just by pulling it ? Isn't it soldered ?
Also, I'm hesitating to buy a new Sanyo SF-HD 65 since the one installed in my player (see attached photo) doesn't look exactly the same as this one I found in an add (look at the bottom right end).

I just have bought a spare SF-HD65 but I didn't receive it yet. The connector in the pic looks like is the type that is just pushed in there, no locks on the sides. I will know more when I get mine.
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